Emperor Cole at the end of the Power Loyalist Arc...
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Posted on: 2010-09-20 14:19 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Um, may I just butt in, j-just for a second, please?
Going back to something Golden Girl said, which was that when Praetorians go over to Primal Earth the game forces you to lean towards the Resistance and heroism and all that...
That isn't actually true...
If you're a Loyalist, and whether or not you choose Paragon or the Isles, there are both little bits of information that say that, when the time comes, you can join up with Cole when he does decide to invade. One is in the Rogue Isles choice description, and the other is when you meet Cole on the other side of the Paragon portal.
Just thought I'd add that, because... y'know... it's there and I just thought it needed correcting as no one had addressed it...
*dashes off in smoke*
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Yeah - all of the Resistance seem very certain about being broken out of prison within a few minutes of being sent there - I think the devs maybe didn't want to overdo the body-count once they added the disappearing contact tech |
Originally Posted by CapnGeist
Well it's not like anybody we send to jail ever stays in jail for long. Gotta love how casually Scott says he'll break people out when they get arrested.
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Originally Posted by The Hound
If you're a Loyalist, and whether or not you choose Paragon or the Isles, there are both little bits of information that say that, when the time comes, you can join up with Cole when he does decide to invade.
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Whatever loyalist content they've got planned for the future, I think you're going to have to give up on the Apex TF, going by the clues we've been getting
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I'm going to have to remember the 'Golden Cole' thing for the future, it's almost too perfect. And did any of you notice when her posting style changed a few times? I think you managed to get her a little angry back when you were constantly making measured responses to her jabs. Nothing pisses a troll off more than when her trolling fails.
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While that -is- true, I fear I'm going to have to disagree on several counts...|
Originally Posted by The Hound
If you're a Loyalist, and whether or not you choose Paragon or the Isles, there are both little bits of information that say that, when the time comes, you can join up with Cole when he does decide to invade. One is in the Rogue Isles choice description, and the other is when you meet Cole on the other side of the Paragon portal.
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I highly doubt the Devs are going to make 4 TFs all with slightly different paths (Power, responsible, Crusader, Warden) in the first place. To expect them to make eight, instead, is just ridiculous. I say Eight because it seems, at best, unlikely that they'd make 4 for the Loyalists and 2 for the Wardens.
As for siding with the Resistance... That's patently false.
A Responsible Loyalist who maintains his allegiance until he heads to Paragon hides the evidence of Cole's wrongdoing, fights against the super-army himself, and goes to Paragon to get help to stop Cole.
But that doesn't mean, at all, that he's Siding with the Resistance. Such a character -SHOULD- still be deeply opposed to a group of terrorists who bomb hospitals and try to nuke cities, regardless of what some ridiculous people assert.
If any of the attempts on Hitler's Life had succeeded the world as we know it would be vastly different. Up to and Including "German". Not all of the people who wanted him dead wanted it for the same reasons. And some intended to put a more capable military leader in charge, which could have won World War 2 for the Germans, rather than the horrific death tolls on the Eastern front.
A Responsible Loyalist will kill Cole, because he threatens the people of Praetoria. And then continue killing the Terrorists, or at least seeking justice on them (which probably involves killing or banishment outside the walls which is as good as death) They may share a similar -goal- with the Resistance, but their motivations for it and plans after it do not align with the Resistance's interests at all.
Contrary to what movies tell you, people who have the same short-term goal are not allies. They are still enemies, even if they utilize each other to accomplish a goal they both seek. A REAL "Comic Book" hero would have the Villain help him save the world, then arrest him for all the crime's he's committed. There might be leniency in the court, but otherwise he's loosing a villain on the streets to keep committing crimes.
What's Heroic about that?
So yes. There probably won't be multiple storylines simply because of the work involved. And the Loyalists do not "Side" with the Resistance.
-Rachel-
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Originally Posted by Steampunkette
Contrary to what movies tell you, people who have the same short-term goal are not allies. They are still enemies, even if they utilize each other to accomplish a goal they both seek. A REAL "Comic Book" hero would have the Villain help him save the world, then arrest him for all the crime's he's committed. There might be leniency in the court, but otherwise he's loosing a villain on the streets to keep committing crimes.
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Atomic Skull: Wait a minute, we helped you guys save the world. Don't we even get any consideration?
Batman: You're right. Five minute head start.
Atomic Skull: Five minutes? Are you kidding?
Wonder Woman: Four minutes, fifty seconds...
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That was a hilarious line in that episode.
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Originally Posted by CapnGeist
Atomic Skull: Wait a minute, we helped you guys save the world. Don't we even get any consideration?
Batman: You're right. Five minute head start. Atomic Skull: Five minutes? Are you kidding? Wonder Woman: Four minutes, fifty seconds... |
There was a few lines after of characters responding to the head start, but that was how the show ended. The heroes counting down the five minutes and all the surviving villains running like hell.
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Something occurred to me as I made this little tag in Gimp...
She's wearing Cole's outfit, but with a skirt instead of slacks...
The mind boggles!
-Rachel-
Attention, Duelists! I really don't think Marcus Cole could pull off the skirt half as well as she does!
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Of course he could....|
Originally Posted by CapnGeist
Attention, Duelists! I really don't think Marcus Cole could pull off the skirt half as well as she does!
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... He's got superstrength, remember?
Badum-tsh!-Rachel-
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This sounds even better out of context.|
Originally Posted by CapnGeist
Attention, duelists! Bow chicka wow wow?
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And I can't wait for I19 when my high level villains can go to Praetoria for some good old fashioned looting and mayhem. In support of their Resistance allies of course.
I do not suffer from altitis, I enjoy every character of it.
It appears this thread lost a few more pages.
I think the moderator killed the discussion. Let's get the ball rolling again!
Cole: Good Emperor, or best Emperor ever?
Also, I feel like we need a tag of some sort for signatures that says "Don't blame me, I voted for the Hamidon." For Resistance people to wear.
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Is it wrong that I'm beginning to wonder if I should cheer for Hamidon over both Loyalists and Resistance?|
Originally Posted by CapnGeist
I think the moderator killed the discussion. Let's get the ball rolling again!
Cole: Good Emperor, or best Emperor ever? Also, I feel like we need a tag of some sort for signatures that says "Don't blame me, I voted for the Hamidon." For Resistance people to wear. |
I mean, at least we know where Hamidon stands. Vote Hamidon and you will be eaten first!
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I think if you go redside, it says to go for your own cause and ideals, not sewer-dwelling ninja turtle terrorists.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Everything the Resistance says about the dictatorship is backed up with proof - which is why the game puts all the players on their side at level 20
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Originally Posted by beyeajus
I think if you go redside, it says to go for your own cause and ideals, not sewer-dwelling ninja turtle terrorists.
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...Never, NEVER imply that the Resistance is anywhere near as cool as the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Ninja Turtles don't bomb hospitals!
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ROFL, this guy...
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Originally Posted by CapnGeist
Attention, duelists! Bow chicka wow wow?
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Slight but important correction there.
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Originally Posted by McNum
I mean, at least we know where Hamidon stands. Vote Hamidon and you will be devoured first!
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"Have you heard the word of Hamidon?"|
Originally Posted by McNum
Is it wrong that I'm beginning to wonder if I should cheer for Hamidon over both Loyalists and Resistance?
I mean, at least we know where Hamidon stands. Vote Hamidon and you will be eaten first! |
"Uh, what?"
"Join with us and stand proud on the glorious day when all who defy the Hamidon are consumed."
"So if I accept Hamidon I won't be consumed?"
"No, you'll still be consumed, only faster."
"Uh, I'll pass."
"Well, that's a pity, but it's not like you really had a choice anyway."
*sklurtch-CRUNCH*
*POP-crunch-snap*
*plip-plip-plip*
"Praise be the Hamidon!"
(Borrowed from this VGCats comic.)
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Ok..i get how rules are rules and all...but..does anyone think its "interesting" that the enforcement of these rules goes into effect after GR comes out.
Darn Praetorians!
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No. Most of us suspect it's a marketing issue again, and they assumed big new numbers and did not want to scare away new players from the forums with, you know, intelligent, civil discourse on anything BUT this game. Truthfully, with the rules as they are, they can lock down threads about Marvel/DC Heroes as they deal with other games and the competition. |
Originally Posted by Charnage
Ok..i get how rules are rules and all...but..does anyone think its "interesting" that the enforcement of these rules goes into effect after GR comes out.
Darn Praetorians! |
The sad thing is, of the other MMOs out there, they all freely allow the comaprisons, and make allowances for civil political discussion. Even still, their communities suck. This is the only forum I read regularly.
Well it's not like anybody we send to jail ever stays in jail for long. Gotta love how casually Scott says he'll break people out when they get arrested.
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