Emperor Cole at the end of the Power Loyalist Arc...
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AnElfCalledMack,
Posted on: 2010-09-20 14:19 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by BlackArachnia
intelligent, civil discourse
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Attention, duelists! This thread stopped being "intelligent discourse" as soon as Golden Cole posted in it. Sure, plenty of the posts are intelligent, but Goldie has made it thoroughly silly (in America!
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I was wandering about the internets, this morning. I was enjoying the smell of the memes, and the sights of old favories... Dramatic gophers, literal music videos, demotivational posters, and rule 34 popped up a time or two in protest of my general avoidance of it...
And in my wandering rambling path I did find the secret to both the Resistance and Golden Cole's understanding of dictatorships, monarchies, and frankly -any- nondemocratic governmental organization.
Beware, for the following image, culled directly from the blasted beating heart of the internet will also show you why so many people upon the internet mirror Golden Cole's thoughts of world domination...
Behold! The truth laid bare!
And Despair. Weep for the citizens of Praetoria.
-Rachel-
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Yes, Cap'n, sir, but.. Sir that was not our fault.
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Originally Posted by CapnGeist
Attention, duelists! This thread stopped being "intelligent discourse" as soon as Golden Cole posted in it. Sure, plenty of the posts are intelligent, but Goldie has made it thoroughly silly (in America!
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To me, Praetoria is simply a quick way to get my toons to the side I want them. Sure I am reading the arcs, and have been entertained so far, but I rerolled 2 toons for the express purpose of making a villain that is really a hero, and even wrote my bios as such. I am also using it as a quick method to get two hero ATs over to my villain group. I have yet to make a new Praetorian. My original Praetorian was a Peacebringer named iloivaR, a nod to the Mirror Universe of Star Trek in that he is a good Praetorian that was trying to escape. This was 2 years ago that he was made.
Eventually I will make some Praetorians, but until then, the story really has no affect on me. It's just good writing.
Now I think GG has a problem with villainy as I recall. By her own words, she had no toons redside, (I do not know if that has changed in the last couple of months.) To here, a villainous AT is a villain. For me, most of my villains are anti-heroes. I do have one villain that simply wants to kill off mankind, but most are about accruing personal power or power for their organization. They do not like Recluse, Arachnos, or some of the more vile arcs. I play them because I like the ATs.
Bring this over to Praetoria, there are heroes and villains on both sides of the equation. As was said, no one has clean hands. Yet, GG can't see that, and has tried to shout down any oppostion to her point of view via tired political rhetoric from the real world.
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Originally Posted by BlackArachnia
No. Most of us suspect it's a marketing issue again, and they assumed big new numbers and did not want to scare away new players from the forums with, you know, intelligent, civil discourse on anything BUT this game. Truthfully, with the rules as they are, they can lock down threads about Marvel/DC Heroes as they deal with other games and the competition.
The sad thing is, of the other MMOs out there, they all freely allow the comaprisons, and make allowances for civil political discussion. Even still, their communities suck. This is the only forum I read regularly. |
Depending on the topic...I have a strong belief that civil, intelligent discourse is like a SR scrapper with no auto powers and all toggles turned off, fighting +4 Supa Troll in Skyway. Lightly interesting, but mostly..Painful
210 50s and still counting!
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So you're saying I can have Elude on...
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Originally Posted by Charnage
Depending on the topic...I have a strong belief that civil, intelligent discourse is like a SR scrapper with no auto powers and all toggles turned off, fighting +4 Supa Troll in Skyway. Lightly interesting, but mostly..Painful
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Nope! Supa Trolls don't exist at high enough level to have Elude -and- be +4 to you.|
Originally Posted by Quinz
So you're saying I can have Elude on...
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-Rachel-
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I'll still have my delusions of a Super Reflexes tank that can get Elude as his level 12 pick.
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Originally Posted by Steampunkette
Nope! Supa Trolls don't exist at high enough level to have Elude -and- be +4 to you.
-Rachel- |
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Originally Posted by CapnGeist
This is why Cole invented Purple Inspirations.
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And for the poor you may be sure
That he'll do all he can!
Who is this one?
Beat Hamidon?
Just by his action
Has resistance members on the run?
Who loves to smoke?
Enjoys a joke?
Who wouldn't get a bit upset
If his seer network broke?
With wealth and fame
He's still the same
I'll bet you five you're not alive
If you don't know his name
It still strikes me as curious on how COle has been changed over the different dimensions. Praetoria seems to be the Mirror Universe of Co*, and those that are good are often bad, and those that are bad, are often dead. So I wonder, is Cole really concerned about his machinations, or is his godhood distancing him from all that he cared about? Could we ask the same question about Statesman as well?
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Cole -is- distant. That's his whole issue.|
Originally Posted by BlackArachnia
It still strikes me as curious on how COle has been changed over the different dimensions. Praetoria seems to be the Mirror Universe of Co*, and those that are good are often bad, and those that are bad, are often dead. So I wonder, is Cole really concerned about his machinations, or is his godhood distancing him from all that he cared about? Could we ask the same question about Statesman as well?
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It's not that he wants to hurt people, or gets some sadistic joy out of stealing some kid's candy. He's just so emotionally removed from what it means to be human that he skips over the child's eagerness to have candy because the candy is bad for the child's teeth and, potentially, weight.
He wants to protect people, even if it means protecting them from themselves. He's happy to give them a pretty place to live, but it's a gilded cage. He doesn't WANT to inflict pain, he just feels he has to, much in the same way a parent spanks a child or a new pet owner bops a snarling puppy's nose.
Unfortunately his spankings tend to break your hips and, potentially spine.
-Rachel-
Tyrant is not distant, he is a coward, like every other bully in the world.
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"And I say now these kittens, they do not get trained/As we did in the days when Victoria reigned!" -- T. S. Eliot, "Gus, the Theatre Cat"
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His distance does not allow his to see the excesses of his lieutenants either. I doubt he would have approved of them so long ago, but now I doubt he really notices.|
Originally Posted by Steampunkette
Cole -is- distant. That's his whole issue.
It's not that he wants to hurt people, or gets some sadistic joy out of stealing some kid's candy. He's just so emotionally removed from what it means to be human that he skips over the child's eagerness to have candy because the candy is bad for the child's teeth and, potentially, weight. He wants to protect people, even if it means protecting them from themselves. He's happy to give them a pretty place to live, but it's a gilded cage. He doesn't WANT to inflict pain, he just feels he has to, much in the same way a parent spanks a child or a new pet owner bops a snarling puppy's nose. Unfortunately his spankings tend to break your hips and, potentially spine. -Rachel- |
In between frequent kidnappings of Statesman lol
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Some of the excesses of his oligarchs are hidden from him, canonically... There are things he has no understanding or -awareness- of in the game world.|
Originally Posted by BlackArachnia
His distance does not allow his to see the excesses of his lieutenants either. I doubt he would have approved of them so long ago, but now I doubt he really notices.
In between frequent kidnappings of Statesman lol |
It's not inconceivable that they only measure required to get his golden stamp of approval on the Seer program was showing that psychics could pose a threat, but would be better utilized as a tool against other criminals rather than killed at birth.
"I'm sorry, ma'am. She was stillborn" could have just as easily been the only knowledge anyone had of psychics, if Cole thought they were enough of a threat and tech was developed to screen newborns.
-Rachel-
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Fixed it for ya.
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Originally Posted by Steampunkette
Behold! The truth laid barrel! |
Anybody else notice how....quiet....this thread has gotten?
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Originally Posted by Jetpack
Anybody else notice how....quiet....this thread has gotten?
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No, it is not surprising. It might pick up steam again this weekend. When a mod steps in and says something, some of us listen.
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Originally Posted by Steampunkette
Some of the excesses of his oligarchs are hidden from him, canonically... There are things he has no understanding or -awareness- of in the game world.
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Destroyers and Ghouls are both canonically unknown to him.
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Also, I feel like we need a tag of some sort for signatures that says "Don't blame me, I voted for the Hamidon." For Resistance people to wear.
My first Praetorian voted for the Hamidon.
Well, not voted as much as felt that Hamidon was a manifestation of Gaea's wrath, and that we needed to stop abusing and destroying the environment for the sake of making Nova look pretty for the Emperor.
Sure, the Hamidon trying to wipe out humanity entirely was a little excessive, but there was an important message there that the new "praetors" are ignoring, and it could doom what little of humanity that remains.
Oh, and this character wasn't pure Resistance - she ran two Loyalist Responsibility arcs, after the Crusaders were a bit too crazy, even for her. There's little enough wildlife in Praetoria as it is to start writing it off as "collateral damage".