Emperor Cole at the end of the Power Loyalist Arc...


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See? She hasn't even read my previous posts where I indicate that the regime's crimes are real--just that the Resistance is also guilty of equally heinous crimes (trying to nuke the city on multiple occasions, one of them would have brought down the reactor and the sonic shields keeping Hamidon out) and will only ultimately lead to the destruction of what's left of humanity if they succeed.

That said, Cole should be brought down, but so should the Resistance--the Crusader faction especially, if the Resistance wins the Crusaders aren't going to just sit down and tweedle their thumbs. Chaos and anarchy is what they're best out, and when the main thing holding them back is gone, they'll run wild until they're all dead and everyone else, too.

Arachnos has been trying to get the Resistance and Loyalists to flat out kill each other so they can move on in, and Longbow's stated goal is just killing Praetorians. Vanguard may try to help, but seeing as Longbow's even willing to work with Arachnos to take down Praetoria, and they already mostly hate Vanguard for it's membership, they'll likely fight Vanguard every step of the way, along with Arachnos in a three-way war.

If salvation does come to Praetoria, it'll be from Primal Earth Heroes, and not the Resistance itself.

Anyway, I've listed it before, but here is the closest approximation to sides and alignments that I could give.

Responsible Loyalist PCs - Hero, there biggest concern is about the safety of the general populous, even going so far as to compromise their ideal of the law and disobeying the Emperor himself to save lives.

Warden Resistance PCs - Vigilantes, these guys can be pretty heroic--but ultimately, they believe in their ideals more than human life, as shown when they destroy the only source of clean water in the city, dooming many for their ideals.

Power Loyalist PCs - Rogues, through and through, the storyline does some good, taking out the Imperial City destroyers for one thing, but purely for selfish reasons and pretty much gaining power seems to be their only goal.

And finally, Crusader Resistance PCs - Trying to nuke a city is evil, pretty much.


 

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Don't try to reason with her. You'll only provoke more cliched hackneyed slogans and facial ticks.

-Rachel-


 

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Responsible Loyalist PCs - Hero
Fascists are never heroes - except to other fascists


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Show me where the crimes of the dictatorship aren't real - point out all the Resistance "lies" about Tyrant's utopia
There's no mass murder at random.


The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. --- Thomas Jefferson
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Eh, if all she can say is a one-liner and a it'll just prove how desperate she is.

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Fascists are never heroes - except to other fascists
See? Desperate. She can't even try to argue the point.


 

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There's no mass murder at random.
There's no mass murder.

Except for the Crusaders.

-Rachel-


 

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There's no mass murder at random.
I never said there was

Just mass-murder of "enemies of the state" - along with their familes.


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I never said there was

Just mass-murder of "enemies of the state" - along with their familes.
I'm still waiting for your counter-argument, or are you so desperate you'll blatantly ignore anything you can't give a stupid one-liner too?


 

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Eh, if all she can say is a one-liner and a it'll just prove how desperate she is.



See? Desperate. She can't even try to argue the point.
RL experience has taught me that arguing with fascists about how awful they are is pretty pointless


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I'm still waiting for your counter-argument, or are you so desperate you'll blatantly ignore anything you can't give a stupid one-liner too?
The only thing "responsinbility" loyalists are responsible for are the crimes of the dictatorship they serve


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Did you even read the post or are you illiterate and just smacking keys at random?


 

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Which makes them immoral - but they don't murder the families too, do they?
Immoral? But they democratically decided it was okay.

-Rachel-


 

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*sigh*

Once a thread has been covered in a steaming pile of winkies, no amount of dry-cleaning will ever get the stain out.


 

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Attention, duelists! This thread has become overrun by winky faces! Golden Girl's unmitigated use of them has caused the to spread to others, filling every post. This cannot be allowed to continue, or soon they will overrun the forums. Please, spay and neuter your emoticons!



So the more I read this, the more I see that the person doing the most harm to the Resistance's argument is Golden Girl herself. I mean, I used to be all "well, both sides have valid points" but Golden Girl's incessant "You're a fascist, in America!" is making me be all "See? This is why we can't have nice things. This is why we can't allow people to just go around speaking against the government. Not because it's harmful to the government, but because it actively makes people stupider. Vote NO on Freedom To Say Stupid Things! Talking is not a RIGHT, it's a Privilege!"

Riddle me this: Is there any evidence, other than 'things Resistance members have said,' to suggest that anyone who was taken down by the PPD didn't totally have it coming?


...Why do people insist I believe the Resistance when they say that the Loyalists are lying, but people instantly dismiss the idea that the Resistance could be lying, too?


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*sigh*

Once a thread has been covered in a steaming pile of winkies, no amount of dry-cleaning will ever get the stain out.
But that happened on the... what... third page? At this point we're just trying to dye the whole outfit "Wink" in order to cover up the stain.

-Rachel-


 

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*sigh*

Once a thread has been covered in a steaming pile of winkies, no amount of dry-cleaning will ever get the stain out.
I hate that little jerk emoticon. Look at his smug grin. Argh!


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But that happened on the... what... third page? At this point we're just trying to dye the whole outfit "Wink" in order to cover up the stain.

-Rachel-
It's not so much the color, it's the smell that the little yellow buggers leave behind.


 

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Golden Girl? Morality System? She doesn't have one.


 

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Golden Cole's moral system is AMURRICA!

-Rachel-


 

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Immoral? But they democratically decided it was okay.
Bad people can still get chosen - like Tyrant, for example


@Golden Girl

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Golden Girl? Morality System? She doesn't have one.
Not one a stormtrooper would recognize, no


@Golden Girl

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Ah, desperation.

All the 's in the world can't cover up that doubt in your head that you might not be 200% correct.


 

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Bad people can still get chosen - like Tyrant, for example
Ahh, but now we're entering the evilness of deciding who is and isn't okay for the people to elect, and that doesn't sound like democracy to me


The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. --- Thomas Jefferson
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Ahh, but now we're entering the evilness of deciding who is and isn't okay for the people to elect, and that doesn't sound like democracy to me
Sounds more like the Electoral college at best, or the illusion of democracy at the worst.

Not only do you not -have- a vote, you're tricked into -thinking- you've got a vote, so you don't rebel.

-Rachel-

*Edit* I would have said "Revolt" but Golden Cole already is revolting.


 

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RL experience has taught me that arguing with fascists about how awful they are is pretty pointless
So anyone who disagrees with you about any aspect of Praetoria is a fascist?
Interesting.

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Actually not all that interesting, and definitely not unexpected.


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