Emperor Cole at the end of the Power Loyalist Arc...
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Posted on: 2010-09-20 14:19 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Fake Star Wars doesn't count |
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Palpatine would have stopped the Yuuzhan Vong in their tracks!
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@Golden Girl
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I find your lack of faith disturbing...|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Fake Star Wars doesn't count
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*Holds hand up and stares at GG real hard expecting something to happen.*
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People who support fake Star Wars are too weak with the Force to actually have any powers |
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
I find your lack of faith disturbing...
*Holds hand up and stares at GG real hard expecting something to happen.* |
@Golden Girl
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To the OP, you need to remember that as nice as those words were: Marcus Cole, in any incarnation, seems very very good at speeches on the spot. I'm sure he could have convinced you with a speech that killing your own family would be for the good of Praetoria.
Also: You went Powers Route, you're a villain, plain and simple.
To the one wishing they could be a StormTrooper, not the best idea: Your inherent power would be "Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy Graduation" which would be a permanent -100000% ToHit and Accuracy debuff to self and all teammates.
This is kind of a small problem with Praetoria, the devs wanted to see it all in shades of Grey, but everyone of significant power in the established government (Manchard the exception) is pretty ruthless and evil (The Praetors, Cole, Etc.), not helped when they've explicitly established that the old Praet arcs ARE Still canon, this is just moving along on the timescale with the Praetorians attempting ANOTHER invasion of our world.
Oh, and there's the whole "brainwash the citizens" thing.
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*gasp* This just in: Golden Girl is Tyrant!
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, Tyrant does deal in absolutes
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For the common good, citizen |
Originally Posted by Venture
So says a man who thinks he alone should be allowed to make decisions.
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@Golden Girl
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I have no interest in ruling the world - or taking over other worlds - or mass murder, slavery, torture, brainwashing, propaganda and repression |
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*gasp* This just in: Golden Girl is Tyrant!
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Sure....|
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I have no interest in ruling the world
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I think the shades of gray come along the lines that everyone of significant power outside the established government is pretty ruthless and evil, too. Both sides have exceptions but in large number of cases, it's the devil you know versus the devil you don't.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
This is kind of a small problem with Praetoria, the devs wanted to see it all in shades of Grey, but everyone of significant power in the established government (Manchard the exception) is pretty ruthless and evil (The Praetors, Cole, Etc.), not helped when they've explicitly established that the old Praet arcs ARE Still canon, this is just moving along on the timescale with the Praetorians attempting ANOTHER invasion of our world.
Oh, and there's the whole "brainwash the citizens" thing. |
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We in Praetoria seek only to further the betterment of the public, my dear. Do you know why we have such things as prisons and rehabilitation facilities? It is because the public will eventually turn on itself given the chance. When a man decides that his personal needs or desires outweigh those of his neighbors, he is heading down a dangerous path of mistakes and misguided effort.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I have no interest in ruling the world - or taking over other worlds - or mass murder, slavery, torture, brainwashing, propaganda and repression
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Mother and her Seers constantly keep watch to ensure our safety should one such self-seeking individual wish to cause us harm. They are not restrictive or brainwashing; rather, theirs is a responsibility to ensure the well-being of all of Praetoria.
Our great Emperor Cole is no murderer or propagandist. His just acts in the past have served only to strike down those who would cause us destruction; the Hamidon and its abominations among them. In that same way, he is preparing to retaliate against the unprovoked attacks from Primal Earth, and he will not cease until the threat is put to rest.
All hail Emperor Cole!
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Praetorian propaganda only works on the weak-minded |
Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
We in Praetoria seek only to further the betterment of the public, my dear. Do you know why we have such things as prisons and rehabilitation facilities? It is because the public will eventually turn on itself given the chance. When a man decides that his personal needs or desires outweigh those of his neighbors, he is heading down a dangerous path of mistakes and misguided effort.
Mother and her Seers constantly keep watch to ensure our safety should one such self-seeking individual wish to cause us harm. They are not restrictive or brainwashing; rather, theirs is a responsibility to ensure the well-being of all of Praetoria. Our great Emperor Cole is no murderer or propagandist. His just acts in the past have served only to strike down those who would cause us destruction; the Hamidon and its abominations among them. In that same way, he is preparing to retaliate against the unprovoked attacks from Primal Earth, and he will not cease until the threat is put to rest. All hail Emperor Cole! |
@Golden Girl
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*Nods* Okay, true.|
Originally Posted by Lazarillo
I think the shades of gray come along the lines that everyone of significant power outside the established government is pretty ruthless and evil, too. Both sides have exceptions but in large number of cases, it's the devil you know versus the devil you don't.
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I think it's a bit natural to side with the Resistance for Vet players purely because we've already dealt with Tyrant and so forth in the past.
Trying to make some of us see them as ANY level of good is next to impossible. Even more so for people who followed the comic book, and again, the Devs did say the old Praet arcs are still canon.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
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Positron saying they'r sitll canon is anothe rproblem with the whole "shades of gray" thing - like I can totally see where he's coming from, with not wanting to remove anything form the game canon or from the career history of players who've rescued Statesman and defeated Tyrant in the past - but the Praetoria 1.0 content busts the twirlometer on just about every mission.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
*Nods* Okay, true.
I think it's a bit natural to side with the Resistance for Vet players purely because we've already dealt with Tyrant and so forth in the past. Trying to make some of us see them as ANY level of good is next to impossible. Even more so for people who followed the comic book, and again, the Devs did say the old Praet arcs are still canon. |
@Golden Girl
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Well, I19 should change that |
Originally Posted by Eisenzahn
Corrected. The shades of grey on either side of the Resistance/Loyalist divide tend sharply towards black, splattered in red. Such a shame that the first really substantial batch of Villain content since Issue 7 is unavailable to actual redside characters.
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@Golden Girl
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You honestly think the great Emperor Cole is fallible? Just what kind of lunacy do they spoon-feed you Primals anyway, that he's some power-hungry dictator fooling his society into perceiving him as the good guy?|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Praetorian propaganda only works on the weak-minded
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He saved us from the Hamidon. You think that was a hoax?
There is propaganda at play here, but it's clear that I'm not the one with the wool over my eyes.
"The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness. This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears above ground he is a protector...
At first, in the early days of his power, he is full of smiles, and he salutes every one whom he meets;—he to be called a tyrant, who is making promises in public and also in private! liberating debtors, and distributing land to the people and his followers, and wanting to be so kind and good to every one! And if any of them are suspected by him of having notions of freedom, and of resistance to his authority, he will have a good pretext for destroying them by placing them at the mercy of the enemy; and for all these reasons the tyrant must be always getting up a war.
And the tyrant, if he means to rule, must get rid of them; he cannot stop while he has a friend or an enemy who is good for anything."
Source: Plato, The Republic, Book VIII.
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Finally, someone who agrees! |
Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
We in Praetoria seek only to further the betterment of the public, my dear. Do you know why we have such things as prisons and rehabilitation facilities? It is because the public will eventually turn on itself given the chance. When a man decides that his personal needs or desires outweigh those of his neighbors, he is heading down a dangerous path of mistakes and misguided effort.
Mother and her Seers constantly keep watch to ensure our safety should one such self-seeking individual wish to cause us harm. They are not restrictive or brainwashing; rather, theirs is a responsibility to ensure the well-being of all of Praetoria. Our great Emperor Cole is no murderer or propagandist. His just acts in the past have served only to strike down those who would cause us destruction; the Hamidon and its abominations among them. In that same way, he is preparing to retaliate against the unprovoked attacks from Primal Earth, and he will not cease until the threat is put to rest. All hail Emperor Cole! |
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Interesting, but I feel a need to respond with this...|
Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
"The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness. This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears above ground he is a protector...
At first, in the early days of his power, he is full of smiles, and he salutes every one whom he meets;he to be called a tyrant, who is making promises in public and also in private! liberating debtors, and distributing land to the people and his followers, and wanting to be so kind and good to every one! And if any of them are suspected by him of having notions of freedom, and of resistance to his authority, he will have a good pretext for destroying them by placing them at the mercy of the enemy; and for all these reasons the tyrant must be always getting up a war. And the tyrant, if he means to rule, must get rid of them; he cannot stop while he has a friend or an enemy who is good for anything." Source: Plato, The Republic, Book VIII. Michelle aka Samuraiko/Dark_Respite |
http://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/20...t-tyranny.html
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Not a big fan of the Dune series then are we?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I find insane mass-murdering god-emperors with messiah compexes a very dark shade of gray - the kind of gray that's so dark it's black
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Being an Emperor is not an easy, or clean, job...
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Originally Posted by Venture
So says a man who thinks he alone should be allowed to make decisions.
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"If Pro is the opposite of Con, then what is the opposite of Congress?"
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I agree too, but then again I'm a total villain outside of Praetoria as well.|
Originally Posted by Progressman
Finally, someone who agrees!
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Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness. This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears above ground he is a protector...
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
A good quote
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Even in your primitive, barbaric Primal Earth, do you not elect your leaders to govern those who elected them? To select from their ranks a champion to place into a position of greatness? This behavior is, by your own admission, fostering tyranny, though I presume you will decide in disagreement.
Though as I observe your world from my objective vantage point, I see your presidents and prime ministers acting on behalf of only a fraction of the people they pretend to serve. Theirs is an agendum of political merit; to use their influence as provided by their election to impose petty laws on the population in total, all too often to be met with bitter opposition and to nonetheless proceed in their endeavors.
Is this not tyrannical, quarrelsome and otherwise disruptive to the well-being of the people as a whole? It seems to me that your own world cannot even come to agreement on such simple issues, yet you feel the entitlement to point to ours and claim our Emperor to be a tyrant.
This prejudice is inherent in your kind, and you have actively struck out against us in a form of misplaced vengeance for the perceived wrongs of the people of our world. You are beasts, the lot of you, and fitting of the Primal name.
Emperor Cole's victory over your world will be most majestic indeed.
For Praetoria!
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