Emperor Cole at the end of the Power Loyalist Arc...


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Riddle me this: Is there any evidence, other than 'things Resistance members have said,' to suggest that anyone who was taken down by the PPD didn't totally have it coming?
Well, Calvin Scott himself wa simpriosned and tortured in the BAF for asking for his wife back, and Katie Douglas' father was impsioned there too for 15 years for a simialr "crime" when he tried to get his daughter back from the Seer network.
Thenthere's Wardog's family being "sent overseas" because he started teaching his students the truth about Praetoria, and Rothstein had his wife and daughter killed too, which turned him into a suicide bomber.
Plus, the GR website section on the PPD says:

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When someone speaks out against Emperor Cole or Praetorian matters," the dark side of the PPD emerges, and burly, well-armed officers come into your house in the dead of night and take your loved ones away."
So, depending on how minimal you like your elbow movement when you salute, it's possible that speaking out against the dictatorship does count as "totally having it coming to you".

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Why do people insist I believe the Resistance when they say that the Loyalists are lying, but people instantly dismiss the idea that the Resistance could be lying, too?
Because the Resistance are the right side in the game - plus, neutral things like bagdes back up their claims


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Shhhhhhh... Don't bother to tell her that everything she just used as "Evidence" is things the Resistance members say... To prove that the Resistance doesn't Lie!

And the badges don't tell you that the people didn't deserve it, Golden Cole. Just that it happened, no background, no information. just "It happened here"

-Rachel-


 

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Ah, desperation.

All the 's in the world can't cover up that doubt in your head that you might not be 200% correct.
200%? I guess you think that 2 + 2 can be 5, or sometimes 3, or even 4?


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So anyone who disagrees with you about any aspect of Praetoria is a fascist?
Interesting.

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Actually not all that interesting, and definitely not unexpected.
Golden Cole is like... Godwin's Law personified.

Reminds me of a sign I read on the Daily Show a while back 'I Disagree With What You Say, But I'm Pretty Sure You're Not Hitler!'


 

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Shhhhhhh... Don't bother to tell her that everything she just used as "Evidence" is things the Resistance members say... To prove that the Resistance doesn't Lie!
Of course everything the Resistance claims is true--just like how half the people in our prisons claim to be innocent!


 

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And the badges don't tell you that the people didn't deserve it, Golden Cole. Just that it happened, no background, no information. just "It happened here"
So how does having your loved ones taken away just because you spoke out against the dictatorship count as "deserving it"?

Plus, even genuine criminals don't deserve to be tortured and murdered - the very fact that there are torture chambers and slaughter houses under the PPD buildings is a crime against humanity.


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Not one a stormtrooper would recognize, no, in America!
Attention, duelists! I'm not convinced you have a morality system YOU recognize. Really, Golden Girl, where you getting this? Because you're sure not aligned with any ethical system I recognize from the various Ethics classes I've taken over the years.


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So how does having your loved ones taken away just because you spoke out against the dictatorship count as "deserving it"?
Because it's impossible that the family members were Resistance, or helped the Resistance, and executed for their crimes, right Golden Cole? The Resistance would neeeeeever lie to -you-....

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Plus, even genuine criminals don't deserve to be tortured and murdered - the very fact that there are torture chambers and slaughter houses under the PPD buildings is a crime against humanity.
Heh... I love it when she makes the appeals to emotion, rather than a logical or well reasoned debate, don't you?

-Rachel-


 

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D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-I-O-N!

What's that spell? Golden Cole.


 

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Of course everything the Resistance claims is true
Well, it's backed up by neutral sources too - plus, things like Jessica Flores' arc wouldn't make any sense if she was free to report the truth to the people, rather than having to get your help to bypass the state control of the media.

Also, there aren't any loyalists denials of their crimes - and the power path focuses on manipulating the truth, while the responsibility one ends with you having the choice to blow Interrogator Kang's brains out to stop him getting the truth out to the people.


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D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-I-O-N!

What's that spell? Golden Cole.
... Actually that spells Desperation. But it's synonymous!

-Rachel-


 

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Also, there aren't any loyalists denials of their crimes - and the power path focuses on manipulating the truth, while the responsibility one ends with you having the choice to blow Interrogator Kang's brains out to stop him getting the truth out to the people.
Jesus H Cripes, Golden Cole. PICK ONE!~ Either you hate and want to kill the man for what he did to his daughter or you want him to live. I can't kill him -and- let him live.

-Rachel-


 

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Because it's impossible that the family members were Resistance, or helped the Resistance, and executed for their crimes, right Golden Cole? The Resistance would neeeeeever lie to -you
Show me where they lie

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Heh... I love it when she makes the appeals to emotion, rather than a logical or well reasoned debate, don't you?
There's not really any point in making an emotional appeal to people who have no souls.


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Well, it's back up by neutral sources too - plus, things like Jessica Flores' arc wouldn't make any sense if she was free to report the truth to the people, rather than having to get your help to bypass the state control of the media.

Also, there aren't any loyalists denials of their crimes - and the power path focuses on manipulating the truth, while the responsibility one ends with you having the choice to blow Interrogator Kang's brains out to stop him getting the truth out to the people.
Oh, if only you'd have even bothered to read my posts other than just spout one liners. Oh, well.


 

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Jesus H Cripes, Golden Cole. PICK ONE!~ Either you hate and want to kill the man for what he did to his daughter or you want him to live. I can't kill him -and- let him live.
Where did I say I wanted to kill him?


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There's not really any point in making an emotional appeal to people who have no souls.
So stop making Emotional Appeals to Resistance Sympathizers, Idiot.

-Rachel-


 

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Jesus H Cripes, Golden Cole. PICK ONE!~ Either you hate and want to kill the man for what he did to his daughter or you want him to live. I can't kill him -and- let him live.

-Rachel-
Let me guess, the moment he switched sides it became not okay to kill him?


 

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Attention, duelists! I'm not convinced you have a morality system YOU recognize. Really, Golden Girl, where you getting this? Because you're sure not aligned with any ethical system I recognize from the various Ethics classes I've taken over the years.
Typical loyalist - you think everything can be fitted into a system


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Where did I say I wanted to kill him?
In almost any other post involving Kang you've stated he should die and burn and no father would ever do that and yadda yadda yadda.

But now you want us to let him live because he'll help your cause? Either the man is evil incarnate or he isn't. But pick one and stick with it, Hypocrite.

-Rachel-


 

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So stop making Emotional Appeals to Resistance Sympathizers, Idiot.
I don't need to - they already have their hearts in the right place


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Where did I say I wanted to kill him?
...every single other time he was mentioned?


 

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In almost any other post involving Kang you've stated he should die and burn and no father would ever do that and yadda yadda yadda.
No I haven't.

I said he's the scum of the earth for what he did to his daughter - that doesn't mean he should be killed though.


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...every single other time he was mentioned?
Again, feel free to find where I said that


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Oh, if only you'd have even bothered to read my posts other than just spout one liners. Oh, well.
It's not my fault that you can't disprove the truth


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Oh, if only you'd have even bothered to read my posts other than just spout one liners. Oh, well.
Her goal is never to have a rational or reasonable conversation. Only to dismiss the quoted individual with a snarky comment and hope to goad them into posting something moderation-worthy.

There are clearly certain topics that we cannot have around without getting fully and completely thread-jacked and driven into a hole. This thread will get locked on Monday. Deleted if she says anything truly appalling.