Robots capable of Deception created
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Posted on: 2010-09-10 18:14 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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so skynet goes online when?
We're all doomed.
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It already has, Skynet is just letting us work out the tech for it.
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Originally Posted by ShoNuff
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Originally Posted by ShoNuff
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Sounds good to me. I mean, everybody knows Robots cannot lie.
Have none of these people ever read or seen a sci-fi story.
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They probably have. Of course, the author was a known robot sympathizer.
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Originally Posted by ObiWan
Have none of these people ever read or seen a sci-fi story.
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Goodbye, I guess.
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Skynet is just letting us kill ourselves off. Why lift a robotic claw when there is a very good chance that we will do it for him. All he needed to do was get rid of everyone responsible for the project that knew he was sentient.
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At first I thought it read Decapitations, and I was like, who would be dumb enough too..
...then I read what the thread is really about.
Really? Really! Really?! Really.
Programing human extinction. FOR SCIENCE!
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Sounds like a plan! Too many of those smelly humans anyways.
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Originally Posted by QuietAmerican
Programing human extinction. FOR SCIENCE!
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Always knew it would be my father's almuni that would doom us all.
Didn't expect it to come in the form of killer robots though.
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for some reason I read the title as decapitation. This is far less scary. Nothing to see here move along...
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You know what I realized? If they teach that robot to drink, then we've got the early ancestor for Bender.
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They'd still have to teach it to be a cheating narcissistic violent womanizer, but yeah that's a Bender prototype in the works.
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Originally Posted by LiquidX
You know what I realized? If they teach that robot to drink, then we've got the early ancestor for Bender.
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Goodbye, I guess.
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Well gee, Mr. Mad Scientist, do you really think so? "Beneficial and deleterious aspects," you say? I wonder what those could be. I'm drawing a blank on the beneficial. As to deleterious, how does SLAVING IN THE VENUSIAN DEUTERIUM MINES FOR OUR HEARTLESS, DECEPTIVE METAL OVERLORDS sound? Think that might be "deleterious"?| "We have been concerned from the very beginning with the ethical implications related to the creation of robots capable of deception and we understand that there are beneficial and deleterious aspects," explained Arkin. "We strongly encourage discussion about the appropriateness of deceptive robots to determine what, if any, regulations or guidelines should constrain the development of these systems." |
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Originally Posted by sleestack
Well gee, Mr. Mad Scientist, do you really think so? "Beneficial and deleterious aspects," you say? I wonder what those could be. I'm drawing a blank on the beneficial. As to deleterious, how does SLAVING IN THE VENUSIAN DEUTERIUM MINES FOR OUR HEARTLESS, DECEPTIVE METAL OVERLORDS sound? Think that might be "deleterious"?
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Seriously, though, I can't think of why you want a deceptive robot, except for use in combat drones. Am I missing a possible use here? Well, it'd make a mean AI for video games, too, I suppose.
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Originally Posted by sleestack
Well gee, Mr. Mad Scientist, do you really think so? "Beneficial and deleterious aspects," you say? I wonder what those could be. I'm drawing a blank on the beneficial. As to deleterious, how does SLAVING IN THE VENUSIAN DEUTERIUM MINES FOR OUR HEARTLESS, DECEPTIVE METAL OVERLORDS sound? Think that might be "deleterious"?
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is the story that robots can be programmed to be deceitful to other entities? or that the next step would be robots that can tell when other entities are being deceptive? hello automated tsa security with permanently affixed latex arm with camera fingers...
alsowaiting for the next generation of the dogs playing poker picture, with one of them pulling a gun on the 'bot with an ace up its' sleeve....
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It was about them learning to deceive each other while playing tag. But, speaking of robot arms... http://www.robaid.com/tech/e-skin-st...ctive-film.htm
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Originally Posted by spice_weasel
is the story that robots can be programmed to be deceitful to other entities? or that the next step would be robots that can tell when other entities are being deceptive? hello automated tsa security with permanently affixed latex arm with camera fingers...
alsowaiting for the next generation of the dogs playing poker picture, with one of them pulling a gun on the 'bot with an ace up its' sleeve.... |
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Actually news of this kind of research, or that it comes from a place like the Georgia Institute of Tech, doesn't really surprise me at all.|
Originally Posted by Gulver
Always knew it would be my father's almuni that would doom us all.
Didn't expect it to come in the form of killer robots though. |
At this point I consider the Technological Singularity as a practical inevitability.
The only thing that's really uncertain is exactly how long it's going to take. *shrugs*
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Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
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Seriously, folks, this isn't new. It's just the first time it's been reported from a well-funded establishment.
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My guess (and I can't read the article at the moment to see if this is mentioned) is that it's not intended to be something useful by itself, but a stepping stone toward building true AI. Selfishness and deception are part of intelligent life as we currently know it.
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Originally Posted by McNum
Seriously, though, I can't think of why you want a deceptive robot, except for use in combat drones. Am I missing a possible use here? Well, it'd make a mean AI for video games, too, I suppose.
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Qualities such as selfishness might be considered negative if they are taken to absolute extremes. But a basic component of the human ego is the need to assert itself and protect itself. If machines can be ingrained with the working concept of selfishness and a means to act on that desire (via the ability to deceive) then they would develop a functional degree of self preservation and by extension a degree of self awareness.
Obviously that has uses in a combat situation (a machine that doesn't "want" to be hurt will probably function more dynamically than a machine that has no real sense of self) but clearly this research will further contribute to the overall impending Technological Singularity in general.
The real trick won't be making selfish robots.
It'll be making them just selfish enough to be productive members of society without being sociopathic. 
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While this most certainly is impressive to have robots that can decide whether lying will benefit them more than not, I can't help but think that giving robots this ability is an inherently bad idea. At least they didn't name it "Decepticon". It is pretty cool, though.
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