What does Pre-ED: stand for in Mids hero designer?
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Posted on: 2010-09-05 22:12 in Player Questions
Pre Enhancement Diversification
I'm sure someone will come along with more info then that.
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Pre-ED refers to anything before Enhancement Diversification which was brought to us in Issue 6.
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Pre ED means the number you get when you add up each enhancement separately.
This number is fed through the ED mashing equation which limits a the actual value to something in the ballpark of three even level SOs to get the actual total enhancement value.
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That's not a bug. You've got Rest toggled on, which does indeed make your recovery and regen skyrocket, but your defense and resist bomb.
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That's not a bug. You've got Rest toggled on, which does indeed make your recovery and regen skyrocket, but your defense and resist bomb.
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There was another post with someone stating they'd found a bug, and a screenshot of the Mids totals, but they also had Rest toggled on.
I had thought it was odd to put it in this thread, but there it was, so I replied to it.
I'm... not sure if the post was deleted, or I'm just hallucinating >.<
Edit: The same post now appears in the Mids thread over in the Build Workshop, so yeah, I'm gonna assume it was misposted, deleted, and then moved over there.
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Thanks so much for this thread.
I was always too embarrased to ask about the ED penalty because I thought the Game and MIDS somehow knew I had had prostate cancer, and I was being zapped for an unfortunate side effect of survival.
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PS: No offense meant to fellow sufferers. Hope this just produces a chuckle. I learned to deal with this a long time past now, and you have to laugh or cry about it. I choose to laugh.
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i keep seeing it pop up, not sure what it means O.o
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Thanks so much for this thread.
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For some people ED was a truly apocalyptic event and many people were absolutely convinced it would ruin the game and/or cause the game to fail within months. Obviously since it happened over 6 years ago now none of the predictions of failure came true. While it's true a number of people did effectively rage-quit over it it certainly didn't spell the overall doom to the game all the naysayers assumed would happen.
ED was basically a "change" to the game that in a perfect world really should have been firmly in place when the game launched back in 2004. The game pre-ED was essentially broken because it allowed a degree of min/maxing that in hindsight would have actually prevented things like IOs and the Incarnate system from being added to the game in the future. Despite everyone's whining (and all puns aside) ED was actually a "good" thing for the overall health of this game.
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I think if the way the news was released had been handled better by the lead dev at the time, there would have been less whining.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
It's funny but way back when Enhancement Diversification (ED) was happening to this game I predicted eventually there would come a time when there would be plenty of players who wouldn't even know what it was let alone care about what the game was like -before- it happened. I suppose posts like these prove my point.
For some people ED was a truly apocalyptic event and many people were absolutely convinced it would ruin the game and/or cause the game to fail within months. Obviously since it happened over 6 years ago now none of the predictions of failure came true. While it's true a number of people did effectively rage-quit over it it certainly didn't spell the overall doom to the game all the naysayers assumed would happen. ED was basically a "change" to the game that in a perfect world really should have been firmly in place when the game launched back in 2004. The game pre-ED was essentially broken because it allowed a degree of min/maxing that in hindsight would have actually prevented things like IOs and the Incarnate system from being added to the game in the future. Despite everyone's whining (and all puns aside) ED was actually a "good" thing for the overall health of this game. |
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The big issue was trusting people who signed an NDA to be mature. Well, that and Jack's disconnect from common sense from the players side (I understand what and how he said what he said, but ouch none the less)
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I think if the way the news was released had been handled better by the lead dev at the time, there would have been less whining.
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The big issue was trusting people who signed an NDA to be mature. Well, that and Jack's disconnect from common sense from the players side (I understand what and how he said what he said, but ouch none the less)
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ED was a bitter pill to swallow regardless. Even though I can now accept that it was ultimately good for the game in terms of overall balance it wasn't really sold that way to the playerbase. Perhaps if the Devs had better explained what they were trying to accomplish the transition would not have been so traumatic. Lessons learned and water under the bridge I suppose...
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If IOs had been released along side of ED, then it would have been taken rather well I would bet. With IOs you only brush into ED numbers, while getting a broad spectrum of other things enhanced. (Like I would only have 33% acc slotted with SOs and I'm usually at 50+ with IO sets.)
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
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For me it was a one two punch with the GDN. I have Ice Armor on my namesake and after GDN I respec to six slotted my armors with five defense enhancements and then in no time (well two months or less I think) he gets whacked with the ED hammer.
I went from standing around taunting mobs that couldn't hit me while reading my newspaper to, well, what it is today. 
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Originally Posted by Lothic
With 20/20 hindsight I can certainly agree that the Devs could have handled the situation better at the time.
ED was a bitter pill to swallow regardless. Even though I can now accept that it was ultimately good for the game in terms of overall balance it wasn't really sold that way to the playerbase. Perhaps if the Devs had better explained what they were trying to accomplish the transition would not have been so traumatic. Lessons learned and water under the bridge I suppose... |
Of course, as mentioned, it didn't help that inventions didn't come out until later, but I'm not sure how firm Inventions as we now know them were planned out at the start of CoV Beta.
The only big issues on the dev side was Jack's "No more changes to powers" (technically true; ED only affected the Enhancement system, not a single power - but a vague distinction from the player POV to most) - that with it coming on the heals of GDN & AoE hold nerf - and examples of how to slot as a consequence of the GDN & AoE Hold nerf that went against what they had planned.
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I still recall the ED debacle clearly. I'd just gotten comfortable with how to slot, the standard 1 ACC 5 Damage in attacks etc, so I was right there with the fumes.
I still haven't seen this, or any forum, go that nuclear in as short a timeframe since then. Felt like the roof was caving in for weeks on here. I refused to believe it was anything more than Jack forcing more of his 'Vision™' on us.
Ah hindsight... looking back, ED was one of the best things to happen.
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Didn't come out until 'later'? There was a *huge* time gap between ED and IOs: 19 months! I don't remember Jack saying, "Hey, it's only 19 months away that we'll put in a system that will give back a good chunk of the 50% of your main enhancements we're taking away!" (And even that would have been a step up for Mr. Foot-in-mouth.)|
Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
They did, people were howling too loudly to hear the devs explain.
Of course, as mentioned, it didn't help that inventions didn't come out until later, but I'm not sure how firm Inventions as we now know them were planned out at the start of CoV Beta. The only big issues on the dev side was Jack's "No more changes to powers" (technically true; ED only affected the Enhancement system, not a single power - but a vague distinction from the player POV to most) - that with it coming on the heals of GDN & AoE hold nerf - and examples of how to slot as a consequence of the GDN & AoE Hold nerf that went against what they had planned. |
As necessary as ED was, it was horribly, horribly, horribly, horribly implemented.
If the Devs knew IOs and their bonuses were coming, they could have made that more clear. And if they knew the implementation was not imminent, they could have ameliorated the pain by implementing a less severe form of ED with promise of full implementation once IOs were introduced.
I'm not saying there weren't a lot of overreacting Nerdrage and Ragequitting at the time; but, there can hardly be any defense of *how* ED was implemented.
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Well then you've obviously missed something happening in another game the same year (and only weeks after issue 6 launched here I think). Three letters... N, G & E
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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
I still haven't seen this, or any forum, go that nuclear in as short a timeframe since then. Felt like the roof was caving in for weeks on here. I refused to believe it was anything more than Jack forcing more of his 'Vision' on us.
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Didn't come out until 'later'? There was a *huge* time gap between ED and IOs: 19 months!
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If the Devs knew IOs and their bonuses were coming, they could have made that more clear. And if they knew the implementation was not imminent, they could have ameliorated the pain by implementing a less severe form of ED with promise of full implementation once IOs were introduced. I'm not saying there weren't a lot of overreacting Nerdrage and Ragequitting at the time; but, there can hardly be any defense of *how* ED was implemented. |
And the game was reaching a point - they were needing to either nerf us, or go EQ on the mobs.
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Well.. the Blessing of the Zephyr nerf was pretty nuclear. (IMO) there were people on both sides yelling at each other. Some people pleading, some people screaming.
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Poor CuppaJo...
I still recall the ED debacle clearly. I'd just gotten comfortable with how to slot, the standard 1 ACC 5 Damage in attacks etc, so I was right there with the fumes. I still haven't seen this, or any forum, go that nuclear in as short a timeframe since then. Felt like the roof was caving in for weeks on here. I refused to believe it was anything more than Jack forcing more of his 'Vision' on us. Ah hindsight... looking back, ED was one of the best things to happen. |
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
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i keep seeing it pop up, not sure what it means O.o
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