Rebooted Spider-Man movie will boot Mary Jane
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Posted on: 2010-08-20 10:07 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Four options: The obvious one is Gwen Stacy. The less obvious one that might make this closer to Ultimate Spidey would be Kitty Pride, but I'm not sure about the rights on her character. Another option is Felicia Hardy. The fourth option is someone entirely new that's written for the film... and that'd be really dumb.
I'd say Gwen and Felicia are the most likely.
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Which is exactly why I bet it's the option they go with.
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Originally Posted by Zikar
The fourth option is someone entirely new that's written for the film... and that'd be really dumb..
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Fox has X-Men, so Kitty is out. Choices as I see them:
Liz Allan - Makes sense, as she was the first firl we see PP being interested in.
Betty Brant - Another early love interest, not much happened, but a remote possibility.
Gwen - An obvious choice, but unles they're going to reuse the goblin/bridge/glider desth from the first SM, I don't really want to see her death rewritten to be at the hands of another villain or in a different way, really.
Felicia - No. I wouldn't want to see her anywhere near an SM "origin" story.
New Person - No. If they do that, they might as well make Spidey's secret ID "Ben Reilly" and give him blond hair.
Movie directors and producers still dont get it do they? you'd think they'd learn from the cluster flops that Last Airbender and Catwoman, and a couple others were.
You dont mess with the basics, you dont throw in new characters, and you dont spit on the history and backstory and continuity.
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Step 1: Destroy MJ & Peter in the comics
Step 2: Stop using MJ in the movies
Step 3: Start using Gwen in the movies
Step 4: Gwen is brought back to life in the comics
I for one am guessing that Norman gave her some sort of ultra regenerative STD when he got her pregnant, but it took her longer to revive from the broken neck than it took him to revive from the glider impalement.
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Lol Regen STD
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Originally Posted by LunarKnight
Step 1: Destroy MJ & Peter in the comics
Step 2: Stop using MJ in the movies Step 3: Start using Gwen in the movies Step 4: Gwen is brought back to life in the comics I for one am guessing that Norman gave her some sort of ultra regenerative STD when he got her pregnant, but it took her longer to revive from the broken neck than it took him to revive from the glider impalement. |
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I know that nerfing regen is popular but that's going too far.
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Originally Posted by Divus
Lol Regen STD
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If I want this to fail so hard Sony gets out of the Spider-flick business, does that make me a bad person?
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good, bad, this is the movie without Bruce Campbell.
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Originally Posted by Terwilliger
If I want this to fail so hard Sony gets out of the Spider-flick business, does that make me a bad person?
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Having MJ as the girl Peter always dreamed about, the girl he was after in high school, and the first girl he got serious with...is spitting on the history, backstory, and continuity. As others in this thread have enumerated, Spider-Man actually had many other love interests, and some of them came before, and some after, Mary Jane!|
Originally Posted by catsi563
Movie directors and producers still dont get it do they? you'd think they'd learn from the cluster flops that Last Airbender and Catwoman, and a couple others were.
You dont mess with the basics, you dont throw in new characters, and you dont spit on the history and backstory and continuity. |
Betty Brant was the first. Jonah Jameson's secretary whom Peter flirted with in all three of the previous movies. They were serious at one point, even considering marriage, until she got involved with Ned Leeds, a Bugle reporter, because she didn't want to be with someone who would be in danger all the time like Peter.
Liz Allan was the girl Peter had a crush on in high school before he actually got a date (with Betty), and she began to reciprocate interest while he was dating Betty, but they never really got together.
Gwen Stacy was the next major interest, and I think most of us know how that played out. Dated her his first couple college years, the Goblin killed her, the Goblin died, one of Peter's college professors cloned her and the clone...took off because she didn't want to be around people that knew and loved the real Gwen. That last part's a little less memorable, but anyway!
MJ was next. She and Peter were on and off for a while, but then he proposed. And she turned him down. They split up!
After MJ Peter dallied with Debra Whitman, a secretary to the biochemistry department at ESU. He eventually ended his relationship with her when she married another man, who abused her, and rescued her as spider-man. He revealed his secret identity to her to break her out of the delusions of a perfect husband she had forced on herself, and she faded into the background and eventually left.
Felicia Hardy, AKA Black Cat, also came along in the MJ-interim period. Though she was really interested in Spider-Man and couldn't stand Peter, despite knowing that they were the same person. This dichotomy, and Cat's basic dishonesty/immorality, eventually pushed the two apart.
I don't -think- I'm missing any other love interests in the interim. After Cat, he got back with MJ and eventually married her. They were married for two decades of out of comics time, but most of us know where that stands now.
Anyway! My overarching point is that making MJ the one and only girl in Peter's life is actually more of a disservice to the material than presenting a movie with somebody else in it. And frankly the material could use some alteration; I summed up the convoluted mess of his relationships with Gwen, Debra, Betty, Felicia, and MJ in a very simplified, streamlined fashion.
In conclusion: I'm a Spider-Man nerd, and if you're going to make a movie about a Spider-Man in high school, it's actually respecting the source material to have somebody other than MJ as the love interest, since he didn't date her with any seriousness until he was nearly done with college.
I say get rid of MJ, it's bad enough we're probably gonna have to sit through anther origin movie. I don't wanna sit through the whole "MJ I love you but I don't know how to tell you" again. I just had 3 or 4 movies of that.
Bring on Black Cat, I'm not old enough to remember peter's other girlfriends but Macfarlane's run on Amazing Spiderman had Balck Cat showing up alot and I was hoping she would break up Peter and MJ.
My dad had a ton of Spiderman comics from 69,70 and 71 and you know why they were better the ones I collected in 87, 91 and 98. Because Peter and MJ weren't married.
Quesada got it right.
I also hope on Black Cat. I just like her as a character. And it would be different.
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Ahem, actually, Liz Allen was Flash Thompson's obsession in high school, and "Petey" as she called Parker wasn't interested in her, he was all about Betty Brant, who was his first big love interest. Liz was interested in Parker though, and her persistence kept him in hot water with both Flash and the rather insecure Betty Brant. This was the main relationship storyline for Spider-Man during the classic Ditko years.|
Originally Posted by SMerc
Liz Allan was the girl Peter had a crush on in high school before he actually got a date (with Betty), and she began to reciprocate interest while he was dating Betty, but they never really got together.
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| ...if you're going to make a movie about a Spider-Man in high school, it's actually respecting the source material to have somebody other than MJ as the love interest, since he didn't date her with any seriousness until he was nearly done with college. |
One of my big complaints about the movies was that they skipped over the Ditko years thereby making a mess of the original Silver Age timeline. I suspect Sam Raimi didn't start reading Spider-Man until the 70s.
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Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
I say get rid of MJ, it's bad enough we're probably gonna have to sit through anther origin movie. I don't wanna sit through the whole "MJ I love you but I don't know how to tell you" again. I just had 3 or 4 movies of that.
Bring on Black Cat, I'm not old enough to remember peter's other girlfriends but Macfarlane's run on Amazing Spiderman had Balck Cat showing up alot and I was hoping she would break up Peter and MJ. My dad had a ton of Spiderman comics from 69,70 and 71 and you know why they were better the ones I collected in 87, 91 and 98. Because Peter and MJ weren't married. Quesada got it right. |
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Originally Posted by Veritech
good, bad, this is the movie without Bruce Campbell.
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I couldn't care less what they do with the "love interest" unless they just don't bother with him having one beyond some awkward social moments.
Just as long as he builds web shooters that occasionally run out of fluid at inconvenient times, I'll give it a shot.
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I'm using that for a character now.
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Originally Posted by Divus
Lol Regen STD
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In a later issue Peter recollects that he always had a crush on her, but he didn't act on it. When he had already started dating Betty she got interested in him, but he -couldn't- act on it because he was already seeing somebody, so he often ended up annoyed with her for getting him in trouble with Betty through her attentions.|
Originally Posted by Goldbrick
Ahem, actually, Liz Allen was Flash Thompson's obsession in high school, and "Petey" as she called Parker wasn't interested in her, he was all about Betty Brant, who was his first big love interest. Liz was interested in Parker though, and her persistence kept him in hot water with both Flash and the rather insecure Betty Brant. This was the main relationship storyline for Spider-Man during the classic Ditko years.
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Originally Posted by Goldbrick
Mary Jane Watson was the niece of a friend of Aunt May's. And those two ladies were always trying to arrange for Peter to meet MJ, but he kept wiggling out of it. Parker didn't even see MJ until some time after Betty Brant (and after Ditko, during the John Romita years).
One of my big complaints about the movies was that they skipped over the Ditko years thereby making a mess of the original Silver Age timeline. I suspect Sam Raimi didn't start reading Spider-Man until the 70s. |
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No, that makes you a good person.
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Originally Posted by Terwilliger
If I want this to fail so hard Sony gets out of the Spider-flick business, does that make me a bad person?
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I dunno...Mary-Jane and Peter Parker have been married as long as I've been able to read, until One More Day.
Why can't we have a spider-man story that takes place during the time AFTER they're married? Limit the romantic tension! Focus on the action! Plus imagine the jokes you could have with a married spider-man!
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Because Joey Q is in a loveless marriage and yearns for his glory days, and feels marriage ages people and makes them unaccessible to a younger audience.|
Originally Posted by PlagueOfUndeath
I dunno...Mary-Jane and Peter Parker have been married as long as I've been able to read, until One More Day.
Why can't we have a spider-man story that takes place during the time AFTER they're married? Limit the romantic tension! Focus on the action! Plus imagine the jokes you could have with a married spider-man! |
I am for using Gwen Stacy. Keep the women down to a minimum, and Gwen plays a major role in the Ultimate's universe the last I read.
Which was long ago.
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that was one of the things i dug about the ultimate universe. that while spidey was married in the 616-verse, they could explore other relationships in the ultimate title. i dug it when pete was dating kitty pryde. it connected peter to the larger ultimate universe. but hey, let's continue to chip at the reasons folks read both titles and make them as similar as possible. frakking Quesada.
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Originally Posted by BlackArachnia
Because Joey Q is in a loveless marriage and yearns for his glory days, and feels marriage ages people and makes them unaccessible to a younger audience.
I am for using Gwen Stacy. Keep the women down to a minimum, and Gwen plays a major role in the Ultimate's universe the last I read. Which was long ago. |
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The movie studio is sort of between a rock and a hard place on this new movie. They need to keep it Spider-Man, obviously, but they also need to differentiate it enough to where it's not constantly drawing comparisons to the first series of movies. Since they're doing a reboot, they need to change things up enough to where it doesn't just feel like we're getting Spider-Man 1 refilmed with a new cast.|
Originally Posted by catsi563
Movie directors and producers still dont get it do they? you'd think they'd learn from the cluster flops that Last Airbender and Catwoman, and a couple others were.
You dont mess with the basics, you dont throw in new characters, and you dont spit on the history and backstory and continuity. |
However, I think the problem they're going to run into is most people's exposure to Spider-Man is due to the first movies. The way they were presented made Spider-Man and Mary Jane into a sort of couple like Superman and Lois Lane, the sort of couple that belonged together. Having a new girlfriend for Peter Parker might take some wind out of the romance angle (which they'll inevitably have to draw in a female audience), because people will know they ultimately don't end up together. The girl will just be a pitstop until he meets Mary Jane.
Of course, the studio could avoid all this if, you know, they decided to wait a few more years before they figured we needed another set of Spider-Man movies...
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Originally Posted by PlagueOfUndeath
I dunno...Mary-Jane and Peter Parker have been married as long as I've been able to read, until One More Day.
Why can't we have a spider-man story that takes place during the time AFTER they're married? Limit the romantic tension! Focus on the action! Plus imagine the jokes you could have with a married spider-man! |
Peter's love interest will be a mystery woman instead
I blame Joey Q! He doesn't even want MJ and Pete to be together on the big screen!
Actually this makes sorta sense if they want to stick more to the comics' continuity and have Pete date someone before meeting MJ.
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