Which AT for Massive AoE Damage AND Massive Def?
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Posted on: 2010-08-13 09:19 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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Originally Posted by je_saist
spines / shield scrapper
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I dunno. If it's stupid, but it works, it ain't stupid.|
Originally Posted by RedSwitchblade
What I saw next was something that blew my mind. The team descended, and in pitched battle the Spider taunted them all with his army of Banes and his sliver of insurmountable health. Then, from the heavens above, descended a single Assault Bot. The label above its head was emblazoned in green with the moniker "My Life's Work" and it promptly landed, shouted an error code and made the bootup noise from an OS9 PowerPC, then exploded, killing the Spider. Sparks flew from Professor Freak as the Super-Villain Advisory Board granted him clearance to level 50. My jaw hit the floor for critical damage. This little turd of a character violated his idiotic noPet rule for an equally idiotic chance at glory with a marginally idiotic use of Detonator. I then imagined what he could have done if weren't an idiot.
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Plus, it's a flipping EPIC funny story.
C'mon, he wasn't a Bots/Traps MM. He was a Teammates/Traps/BoomBot MM. Why waste money on robots when flunkies...err...teammates are cheaper and plentiful?
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Originally Posted by je_saist
spines / shield scrapper
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
I dunno. If it's stupid, but it works, it ain't stupid.
Plus, it's a flipping EPIC funny story. |
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Originally Posted by je_saist
massive aoe damage and massive defense?
spines / super reflexes scrapper spines / shield scrapper That's about it. |
the only logical conclusion is that spines/shield is possible now.
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The claw/inv uses no purples, but LOTS of other expensive stuff.|
Originally Posted by Metatron_NA
This is without using purples IOs?
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The spine/inv is an absolute monster no-limits build. I shudder to think what all she has in her.
But, my claw/inv has tanked LR with the towers up. Briefly.
(The main tank got a run of bad luck and planted, I dove in and just stayed on him.)Purples are over-rated in my book.
I would actually recommend against the MFing Warshade, much as I love it, as it becomes so incredibly powerful in later levels, at which point the OP would be just about to retire the char.
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Could you post the Mids build for the spine/inv? Does it have softcapped Def?
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Originally Posted by mauk2
The claw/inv uses no purples, but LOTS of other expensive stuff.
The spine/inv is an absolute monster no-limits build. I shudder to think what all she has in her. But, my claw/inv has tanked LR with the towers up. Briefly. (The main tank got a run of bad luck and planted, I dove in and just stayed on him.)Purples are over-rated in my book. |
For Great Justice!
For that matter, what's everyone's take on the most kick-*** brute one can make? The one with the best chance for soloing +2/4+ or better? One that comes into his own in the 30s perhaps?
For Great Justice!
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Amazing story. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by RedSwitchblade
Wasn't sure.
Anyway I've seen a petless bots/Traps in action. Sit down kids, let me tell you the tale of Professor Freak. Professor Freak was a man who sold out his enormously flawed superscience to the villain world at large. Always thinking grandly and delivering poorly, Professor Freak was loved and reviled, depending on whether you were on the bystander side or receiving side of his genius, respectively. In 50 levels of my teamings with this NoBots/Traps, I was surprised to find that he still was as valuable to the team as ever, even if his only sources of damage seemed to come from pulse rifle blasts that could barely melt butter and seeker drones that actually managed not to slice their own master's head off in carnal lust for blood. One time, I saw what the fuss was all about, and it was a doozy. The sun, if you could call it that, was dimly lighting the obscured sky of the ruins of Atlas Park in some dismal, grisly future where Lord Recluse finally had hiked up his gonads, roflstomped Statesman, and proceeded to crap all over his kingdom by letting it calmly burn to ash around him. Content that he was secure in his Fortress of Burning Lolwut, Professor Freak merrily hopped, skipped, tripped occasionally, and finally stumbled across the landscape unnoticed. We engaged Lord Recluse in all manner of attack that some would call downright uncivilized. Professor Freak spent most of his time tickling the Spider with his guns, until finally Recluse turned and looked at him angrily - only to be shot in the face ten times with an acid mortar that was loaded to the gills with Damage Procs, and a couple of seeker drones buzzing at him like angry metal bees. Oh, how the Spider hated the bees! Knowing he could not go it alone, or even with my assistance, Professor Freak calmly asked a few friends to assist in the beatdown. What I saw next was something that blew my mind. The team descended, and in pitched battle the Spider taunted them all with his army of Banes and his sliver of insurmountable health. Then, from the heavens above, descended a single Assault Bot. The label above its head was emblazoned in green with the moniker "My Life's Work" and it promptly landed, shouted an error code and made the bootup noise from an OS9 PowerPC, then exploded, killing the Spider. Sparks flew from Professor Freak as the Super-Villain Advisory Board granted him clearance to level 50. My jaw hit the floor for critical damage. This little turd of a character violated his idiotic noPet rule for an equally idiotic chance at glory with a marginally idiotic use of Detonator. I then imagined what he could have done if weren't an idiot. Never in my years had I ever seen something so amazing, until 3 weeks later when an Ill/FF named Subconscious scored the final blow to Lord Recluse, at the feet of Grandville City Hall, with a baseball bat after we took down his WEB device. That's the story. I know all too well the power of Bots/Traps in reality, but to say that even WITHOUT pets, you are super useful, is something else. Also Professor Freak is very real, he's a good friend of mine, and he's far from an idiot. But that moment blew my mindhole wide open. |
In addition to spines/SD, DB/SD also pumps out the damage on scrappers. Should give that one a try too.
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I thought about DB but then I figured I didn't want to worry bout using combos, about stressing over the order of the attacks, when I can just choose a straight up beat down character, you know?|
Originally Posted by HelinCarnate
In addition to spines/SD, DB/SD also pumps out the damage on scrappers. Should give that one a try too.
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Anyways, since this has turned into more of a scrapper centric thread, I guess I'll wander over to the scrapper boards and continue my investigation over there.
Thanks.
For Great Justice!
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Love it!
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Originally Posted by RedSwitchblade
Wasn't sure.
Anyway I've seen a petless bots/Traps in action. Sit down kids, let me tell you the tale of Professor Freak. Professor Freak was a man who sold out his enormously flawed superscience to the villain world at large. Always thinking grandly and delivering poorly, Professor Freak was loved and reviled, depending on whether you were on the bystander side or receiving side of his genius, respectively. In 50 levels of my teamings with this NoBots/Traps, I was surprised to find that he still was as valuable to the team as ever, even if his only sources of damage seemed to come from pulse rifle blasts that could barely melt butter and seeker drones that actually managed not to slice their own master's head off in carnal lust for blood. One time, I saw what the fuss was all about, and it was a doozy. The sun, if you could call it that, was dimly lighting the obscured sky of the ruins of Atlas Park in some dismal, grisly future where Lord Recluse finally had hiked up his gonads, roflstomped Statesman, and proceeded to crap all over his kingdom by letting it calmly burn to ash around him. Content that he was secure in his Fortress of Burning Lolwut, Professor Freak merrily hopped, skipped, tripped occasionally, and finally stumbled across the landscape unnoticed. We engaged Lord Recluse in all manner of attack that some would call downright uncivilized. Professor Freak spent most of his time tickling the Spider with his guns, until finally Recluse turned and looked at him angrily - only to be shot in the face ten times with an acid mortar that was loaded to the gills with Damage Procs, and a couple of seeker drones buzzing at him like angry metal bees. Oh, how the Spider hated the bees! Knowing he could not go it alone, or even with my assistance, Professor Freak calmly asked a few friends to assist in the beatdown. What I saw next was something that blew my mind. The team descended, and in pitched battle the Spider taunted them all with his army of Banes and his sliver of insurmountable health. Then, from the heavens above, descended a single Assault Bot. The label above its head was emblazoned in green with the moniker "My Life's Work" and it promptly landed, shouted an error code and made the bootup noise from an OS9 PowerPC, then exploded, killing the Spider. Sparks flew from Professor Freak as the Super-Villain Advisory Board granted him clearance to level 50. My jaw hit the floor for critical damage. This little turd of a character violated his idiotic noPet rule for an equally idiotic chance at glory with a marginally idiotic use of Detonator. I then imagined what he could have done if weren't an idiot. Never in my years had I ever seen something so amazing, until 3 weeks later when an Ill/FF named Subconscious scored the final blow to Lord Recluse, at the feet of Grandville City Hall, with a baseball bat after we took down his WEB device. That's the story. I know all too well the power of Bots/Traps in reality, but to say that even WITHOUT pets, you are super useful, is something else. Also Professor Freak is very real, he's a good friend of mine, and he's far from an idiot. But that moment blew my mindhole wide open. |
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I was thinking the same exact thing, nothing but misinformation and ignorance.
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Originally Posted by Silverado
Why haven't je_saist's post priviledges been revoked already? all he does is spread misinformation and grief people who actually need help.
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This entire post should receive some kind of award for being both hysterical and fantastic.|
Originally Posted by RedSwitchblade
Wasn't sure.
Anyway I've seen a petless bots/Traps in action. Sit down kids, let me tell you the tale of Professor Freak. |
Well done.
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That's awesome. I have no more words.
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Originally Posted by RedSwitchblade
Wasn't sure.
Anyway I've seen a petless bots/Traps in action. Sit down kids, let me tell you the tale of Professor Freak. Professor Freak was a man who sold out his enormously flawed superscience to the villain world at large. Always thinking grandly and delivering poorly, Professor Freak was loved and reviled, depending on whether you were on the bystander side or receiving side of his genius, respectively. In 50 levels of my teamings with this NoBots/Traps, I was surprised to find that he still was as valuable to the team as ever, even if his only sources of damage seemed to come from pulse rifle blasts that could barely melt butter and seeker drones that actually managed not to slice their own master's head off in carnal lust for blood. One time, I saw what the fuss was all about, and it was a doozy. The sun, if you could call it that, was dimly lighting the obscured sky of the ruins of Atlas Park in some dismal, grisly future where Lord Recluse finally had hiked up his gonads, roflstomped Statesman, and proceeded to crap all over his kingdom by letting it calmly burn to ash around him. Content that he was secure in his Fortress of Burning Lolwut, Professor Freak merrily hopped, skipped, tripped occasionally, and finally stumbled across the landscape unnoticed. We engaged Lord Recluse in all manner of attack that some would call downright uncivilized. Professor Freak spent most of his time tickling the Spider with his guns, until finally Recluse turned and looked at him angrily - only to be shot in the face ten times with an acid mortar that was loaded to the gills with Damage Procs, and a couple of seeker drones buzzing at him like angry metal bees. Oh, how the Spider hated the bees! Knowing he could not go it alone, or even with my assistance, Professor Freak calmly asked a few friends to assist in the beatdown. What I saw next was something that blew my mind. The team descended, and in pitched battle the Spider taunted them all with his army of Banes and his sliver of insurmountable health. Then, from the heavens above, descended a single Assault Bot. The label above its head was emblazoned in green with the moniker "My Life's Work" and it promptly landed, shouted an error code and made the bootup noise from an OS9 PowerPC, then exploded, killing the Spider. Sparks flew from Professor Freak as the Super-Villain Advisory Board granted him clearance to level 50. My jaw hit the floor for critical damage. This little turd of a character violated his idiotic noPet rule for an equally idiotic chance at glory with a marginally idiotic use of Detonator. I then imagined what he could have done if weren't an idiot. Never in my years had I ever seen something so amazing, until 3 weeks later when an Ill/FF named Subconscious scored the final blow to Lord Recluse, at the feet of Grandville City Hall, with a baseball bat after we took down his WEB device. That's the story. I know all too well the power of Bots/Traps in reality, but to say that even WITHOUT pets, you are super useful, is something else. Also Professor Freak is very real, he's a good friend of mine, and he's far from an idiot. But that moment blew my mindhole wide open. |
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I can do +0/X8 without paying attention. That's what I farm with. +2/X8 I might have to eat a green occasionally. I've been in full teams where the whole team strategy was to follow my character around and kill anything I didn't get to. Not only realistic, it's easy. The only thing I've had that was easier was my bots/FF.
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Originally Posted by Metatron_NA
I just saw some builds for Scrapper Fire/Shield that are purported to be highly effective - softcapped at 45% def, lots of damage, etc.
Anyone familiar with Fire/SD Scrappers that can chime in? One thing I read said that he was even handling +2/8-man solo missions! Realistic? |
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For the fire/SD, purples are hard to use. You really need to get a bit of defense to cap all positions, so you don't have a lot of room left for purple sets. I'm sure you could fit a couple if you got the gladiator +def. I make do without PVP or purple sets and the character is still a beast - but I have zero slots/powers to spare.
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Originally Posted by Metatron_NA
This is without using purples IOs?
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Originally Posted by RedSwitchblade
Wasn't sure.
Anyway I've seen a petless bots/Traps in action. Sit down kids, let me tell you the tale of Professor Freak. |
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I feel I should point out that claws isn't the best for aoe. While shockwave is a great cone attack, it's not until 32. And eviscerate is not going to hit multiple foes too often. That leaves just one aoe/cone attack. But your attacks are fast charging and fast animating. You'll still chew through enemies fast, just not 13 dead with 3 attacks.
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I'm sorry, it's not my toon, and I'm pretty sure the player doesn't post private builds for people. |
Originally Posted by Metatron_NA
Could you post the Mids build for the spine/inv? Does it have softcapped Def?
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I mean, this person has gotten badges from the Devs for builds before. There's talent there.
Way more than I'll ever have, that's for sure. As for softcapped +def? Yes, it is softcapped, I believe it takes one for s/l, and about 3 for everything else. Purely running off eye-witness experience.
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If you're solo (i.e., not powerleveling anyone) why is it important to rip through +2/+3 missions? Can't you set the difficulty down to +0 and rip through even faster?|
Originally Posted by Metatron_NA
Are here any of those that can just rip through radio/paper missions lit a hot knife through warm butter, when the mission is spawned for +2 to +3 levels and for 4 or more teammates, even though I may be soloing?
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You'll get to 50 on +0 missions pretty fast these days anyway.
The +level missions are an attempt by the Devs to provide a challenge for people who want some fights they don't sleep through. The urge to make builds that will trivialize +3 or more difficulty just leads to complaints that the game is too easy.
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I've given this some thought, actually, since I have several characters locked down in the low 30's.
If you're willing to wait for level 35 to lower the plough, Kat/Dark scrapper might do the job. I don't know if it has enough offense for you. Capped melee/lethal defense from about level 12, semi-infinite heal, mez the minions, solid melee cone and PBAOE, damage aura; mostly what you'll want from IOs is end recovery [and maybe ranged/fire/cold defense.] And you can get considerable end recovery in temp powers and base buffs... also considerable AOE.
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Originally Posted by Cold_X
I was thinking the same exact thing, nothing but misinformation and ignorance.
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je_saist:
*SIGH*
How do the devs put up with these players? They're getting increasingly incompetent.
The obvious answer is BECAUSE THE DEVS SAID SO. Do you need a clue bat for that? You're like one of those PVPers who can't learn new mechanics. Obviously, this was done to improve the game, but you'd know that if you had any idea what the industry is about.
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Hey I was just asking for costume advice!
The story of the nothing/traps is indeed awesome however.
A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!
Yes, but it can still be really expensive.