Kinetic Melee for a Scrapper, how does it look ?

I'll make another request to see some of the numbers. I would go to the beta forums to check out the feedback thread, but honestly sifting through 1000+ posts in one thread is a bit much.

Or if someone could give me a page number to start with in that huge thread that would be a big help.

I thought the set was ok I like power siphon and hated the rest of the set.

I think the animations are too busy and really hate the tier 9

I ran a km/sd to 45 I never got to 50 was hard to find teams early on then when you could the que was long.

I thought the set burned more endurance then some it seems like with the right build out this set should be pretty solid fighting AV's. Running standard missions or street sweeping seemed to burn more endurance and I had end reduction in every attack from start and I thought it was a little bit of a hog.

Numbers for level 50 Scrapper. Thing to note: The added damage on the power siphon proc is for each damage type. I just listed the first type for the sake of image size.

I'd like to point out that in the detailed info pictures posted above, the -dmg component listed underneath the Power siphon mode listing is NOT tied to Power Siphon, and is a separate secondary effect. All KM attacks (barring Repulsing Torrent) debuff enemy damage upon hitting regardless of whether or not Power Siphon is active.

Oh right.

Main thing I found annoying was that power siphon has like a second after the animation is done playing (or looks done, anyway) where you can't actually do anything but move around. Still a better dps boost than normal buildup, but annoying.

My experience included that of a Kin/Sr, and I would like to point out, as others have, that the animation times really aren't that bad. It feels very smooth and attacks go right into eachother more flawlessly than older primaries.

Overall, Kinetic melee will be my first character once GR hits.

For damage, here we go:

Comparing it to DM's mid-range attack chain of MG>Smite>SP>Siphon>Smite>SP (132% +rech required, 68.74 DPS), KM manages the CS>SB>QS>BB>QS>SB>BB attack string (~130% +rech required, 64.61 DPS). Now, before you start screaming that it's lower, this is ignoring Power Siphon, which adds about as much per activation cycle as Soul Drain does without requiring hoards of enemies and will be back substantially more often (thanks to insta-recharge from CS "crits"). Also keep in mind that -dam is a friggin' awesome secondary effect. On a hard target, you're going to be reducing incoming damage by 25% or more rather quickly and it works exceptionally well against the hard targets that you're going to be facing.

Let's do a comparison:

A question about Scrapper vs Brute Kinetic Melee :

Reading the feedback thread I understood that :
- Power Siphon is a 20 sec self buff that allows you to stack +%dam buffs using Kinetic Melee attacks. It has a 2 min base recharge.
- Scoring a critical on the tier 9 attack (scrapper or stalker) insta recharges Power Siphon. However there is no similar effect for Brutes (or tankers).

It makes me think that we'll get much more of Kinetic Melee on a scrapper than on a brute : a scrapper benefits more from the +%dam buffs of Power Siphon than a brute, and furthermore will have regularly a chance to insta recharge Power Siphon.

Is that correct ? Has there been some end-game calculations on the main ST dps chains of KM on a scrapper vs a brute with mid-high recharge ?

I want to start a hero brute with GR, but I'd also like to try Kinetic Melee. Both at the same time would be cool, but I'd really like to be sure first if a IOed KM brute is a viable choice compared to a KM scrapper or not.

Thanks

Thanks for the clarification Arcana.

Also yes Silverado, I'm a bit worried about the Fury lower cap, but I'll have to test it before making up my mind on it. Reading about it was kinda confusing, it looks like a nerf on the paper, but I was surprised that many players seem to see it as a balanced change or some kind of buff.

BrandX, I feel the same as you, I think it will be optimal on the scrapper, and less optimal on the brute, while certainly still being playable. But before making up my mind, I was just wondering if someone ran the dps calculations for top ST chains on both ATs. Because there is a difference in being 'more' optimal by a 5-10%, or a 20-25% margin.

I still have much to catch up... and reading hundreds of feedback posts the same evening can be sometime overwhelming, so thanks all for your clarifications