My Conspiracy Theory on 'The Coming Storm'. Lore buffs wanted!
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Arnabas,
Posted on: 2010-07-30 12:00 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I'm not sure how this factors into the Ouroboros menders, or the letter-writer's competing team of heroes and villains.
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I thought the "storm" was the Rikti invasion in Issue 10? I was in Faultline earlier this morning and the scroungers were mouthin' off about it, and I thought, "Huh, that's.. old, isn't it?"
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Originally Posted by nunix
I thought the "storm" was the Rikti invasion in Issue 10?
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And one blatantly obvious thing missed in the OP - the Shivans are mentioned as the "scouts" ahead of the storm. Which pretty much rules out Nemesis, the Council, the Nictus (already here,) etc.
Has it ever been confirmed that the Coming Storm is not the wave upon wave of Praetoreans that will be invading Primal Earth?
Not that I have assumed any such thing, I was just curious if it is confirmed to not be that and/or how/why it couldn't be.
EDIT: By the way, I do enjoy the idea of Nictus/Rikti alliance and bonding... 
Whether it is or isn't part of the Coming Storm and all 
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Has it ever been confirmed that the Coming Storm is not the wave upon wave of Praetoreans that will be invading Primal Earth?
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(a) See prior comment on shivans, and
(b) IIRC, the fleet involved was using Khelds for fuel. Not needed by Praetorians. (Twilight Son. Unless I'm tying that in to the wrong thing.)
I still think that The Coming Storm isn't one thing. The Menders are ordered not to mention 'it' by its true name, nor talk about the details. They also seem to set you contradictory tasks in order to prevent it.
Either, The Storm is actually a combination of threats or... The Menders are being tricked into thinking that their own personal 'Event' is the Storm and that they are all working against one thing.
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One crack theory of mine is that there is a storm... But the menders honestly don't know what it exactly is, much less how to stop it, so they're sending us on these tasks to basically perpetuate a groundhog day time loop that affects everyone a little differently.|
Originally Posted by Dr_Darkspeed
I still think that The Coming Storm isn't one thing. The Menders are ordered not to mention 'it' by its true name, nor talk about the details. They also seem to set you contradictory tasks in order to prevent it.
Either, The Storm is actually a combination of threats or... The Menders are being tricked into thinking that their own personal 'Event' is the Storm and that they are all working against one thing. |
It's basically the a handwave why you're always arresting frostfire for the first time, why neither Lord Recluse or Statesman ever seem to get the upper hand.
So it's not that heroes or villains are ineffectual, it's that the menders are tricking us into constantly pressing the reset button until they can really figure out what the storm is and how to stop it.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
One crack theory of mine is that there is a storm... But the menders honestly don't know what it exactly is, much less how to stop it, so they're sending us on these tasks to basically perpetuate a groundhog day time loop that affects everyone a little differently.
It's basically the a handwave why you're always arresting frostfire for the first time, why neither Lord Recluse or Statesman ever seem to get the upper hand. So it's not that heroes or villains are ineffectual, it's that the menders are tricking us into constantly pressing the reset button until they can really figure out what the storm is and how to stop it. |
-Oroborous
-Cimerora
-The Letter Sender and the specific team he is recruting members for
These pieces (among several others) are the ones that always come off the top of my head. They fit together......but how?
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Am I the only one who thinks the Coming Storm might still be the Battalion?
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Originally Posted by Arnabas
Am I the only one who thinks the Coming Storm might still be the Battalion?
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the odd thing is the time difference. The Ritki battled their Battalion 100 years back. Why the delay here? One view, I suppose, is that the Oroboros folks managed to manipulate time enough to push back the kickoff by 100 years so far.
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Prior to the First Rikti War, CoH Earth was basically on par (technilogically) with the real world. Most of the "super scientists" kept to themselves and didn't share their breakthroughs. Most of the really high-tech stuff we see in the game is adapted from salvaged Rikti technology. In other words, the Rikti were way more advanced than us, way earlier.|
Originally Posted by Rodoan
You are not. And if true, Earth Prime just scored a huge ace in the hole by befriending the Ritki Traditionalists. They've fought them before, they'll know what to teach us to survive.
the odd thing is the time difference. The Ritki battled their Battalion 100 years back. Why the delay here? One view, I suppose, is that the Oroboros folks managed to manipulate time enough to push back the kickoff by 100 years so far. |
Possibly, the Rikti did something that attracted the attention of the Battalion, and provoked their invasion. Something that we weren't capable until a few years ago, when we started playing with Rikti tech.
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I've always assumed the Storm will have something to do with the "end" of CoX and the beginning of CoX2.
No real evidence or anything, just a hunch and the idea of a huge hyped up event to jump start a new game seems pretty cool.
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I have wondered that as well. The suggestion in lore is that the powers appear in cycles. Perhaps the Coming Storm closes a cycle and a CoH/V 2 opens a new one?
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Originally Posted by Lightslinger
I've always assumed the Storm will have something to do with the "end" of CoX and the beginning of CoX2.
No real evidence or anything, just a hunch and the idea of a huge hyped up event to jump start a new game seems pretty cool. |
The thing about the coming storm is it's relation to time. The letters and clues indicate that our world has already ended? in some possible future and that certain events need to be altered to prevent that outcome.
Some say that the reason for our DOOM is the emergence of super powered beings on this planet. That is the beacon that attracted the battalion from several time streams.
Some say that the battalion is still run by Requiem and is returning from many futures to wipe out the progenitors of its enemies in some far distant future. They will arrive in ships powered by enslaved Nictus energy with power that can only be overcome by Incarnates. Supposedly Marcus Cole has brokered a deal to save Praetoria from devastation.
Nemesis and his menders either want to stop or provoke the storm, depending on which version you encounter.
Noone knows what Rularuu thinks of all this, but my bet is that he gets the final word.
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There's supposedly some Galactus-esque outer space critter called Shiva that sent the meteors to Earth. What Shiva's relationship was supposed to be to the Battalion is unknown, as far as I'm aware.
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Originally Posted by Sheogoth
A space Hamidon of some sort, explains the gooey skeleton aliens.
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This would contradict the letter-writer's claim that it IS one thing. In his letter to the player at the end of Jenny Aldair's arc, he claims that there are, in fact, two parts to the Coming Storm, but he explains that one of them is Ouroboros, itself, logically suggesting that the rest of the actual storm is, indeed, just one event.
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Originally Posted by Dr_Darkspeed
I still think that The Coming Storm isn't one thing.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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This makes no sense from a business standpoint and would amount to financial suicide, or at the very least shooting yourself in the foot. You don't cut the strings on a successful game which generates profit on the off hope that people will buy and resubscribe to a brand new game which will probably not have a lot of what some people liked and will probably add more that other people won't like. Sequels to MMOs simply do not work, not unless they decide to do some kind of combo subscription and keep both games alive, which is... Infeasible while they're still planning expansions.
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Originally Posted by Lightslinger
I've always assumed the Storm will have something to do with the "end" of CoX and the beginning of CoX2.
No real evidence or anything, just a hunch and the idea of a huge hyped up event to jump start a new game seems pretty cool. |
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I'll agree with that. At least for a game like CoX, upgrading in place seems like a better idea. In fact, that seems to be what they're doing right now with Going Rogue. It has new graphics, new mission tech and a new improved starting area (something folks have been asking for for a long time). Over all GR is the perfect CoH2, keeping the old player base while allowing new folks to start in what is essentially a new game.
OK, drifting threads a bit here. Lore... the coming storm. "A wizard did it."
No? OK.
While the coming storm might be a singular event as Sam points out, it could be multiple plot lines coming together at the same time too. A "perfect storm" of bad guy attacks. So the multiple attacks sort of idea isn't entirely out, imo.
Regarding the Shivaun: the lore says Shiva was destroyed. Later, a meteor shower on Earth rained what everyone assumes are the radio active fragments of Shiva on Bloody Bay. The Shivauns we see now are not Shiva, but they may be some sort of weird component of Shiva body, and there's some evidence that they are trying to re-constitute Shiva itself somehow. So while Shiva is officially kaput it's also still tangentially in the storyline too, although imo it's not a prime contender until we see it start to actually reassemble itself.
Psshh. Yer all wrong. OBVIOUSLY Shivans and their fragments were the prelude to the invasion from the Final Fantasy 7 universe and as such, the Coming Storm shall be waves upon waves of Moogles!!
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Originally Posted by Lightslinger
I've always assumed the Storm will have something to do with the "end" of CoX and the beginning of CoX2.
No real evidence or anything, just a hunch and the idea of a huge hyped up event to jump start a new game seems pretty cool. |
It would be safe to assume that whenever they do a CoX2 it will be a total revision from the ground up. Over the years, the devs have cited an inability to do certain things because of limitations of the game engine that serves as the game's foundation. Having learned quite a bit since CoH originally launched, a CoX2 project would be a great opportunity to use a new foundation which will allow them to do some things players have wanted that they are currently unable to deliver. Since they would not be using the same engine, they could likely use this as an opportunity to remove Cryptic's name entirely from the product.
Now all this being the case, you can expect that CoX2 would be an entirely product, much like (and I am sorry I have to use this example since CoX is FARRRR superior) EQ and EQ2. When the second was released, they allowed the originally to putter on. To do otherwise would cripple the income stream, something you definitely do NOT want during development.
You would need to schedule the launch date at least one year in advance and would have zero wiggle room. Why? Because you would need to be able to stop selling one-year subscriptions a year before shutting down. Likewise, you would need to stop selling 6 month and 3 month subscriptions at the appropriate times. And during the final month, you couldn't sell ANYTHING. Can't sell the game cause it includes 30 days of free time, and there aren't 30 days left in the game's life. Can't sell even one month subscriptions for the same reason. And by the last day of the game, the only people left would be those few people who's billing cycle started exactly 30 days before the end date, because everyone else would have expired accounts.
Since the only thing we know about CoX2 is that the CityOfHeroes2.com domain name has been registered, it's waaaayyy too early to speculate beyond the common sense business aspects mentioned above. Okay, so I speculated a little with reference to a different gaming engine, but is that really much of a stretch?
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The coming storm is a massive cross over event with DC, Marvel, and Image :P
I've had this idea in my head for awhile now. It started as a backstory for my Warshade years ago, and I just recently started thinking of writing an MA arc about it. While I was researching the lore behind it on paragonwiki, it kinda became a theory on 'The Coming Storm.' It seems to me to fit in with what we already know, but I'd love to hear what you guys think especially if you really know the COX cannon well. If anyone wants I will be glad to list the arcs I'm taking information from.
***BIG SPOILERS****
Without going into too much detail, my Warshade's story involved an alternate dimension version of the character I got to 50 to unlock the HEATs. In this dimension, there had been a second Council and 5th Column war. The Council won and the Center decided to purge the Nictus from the ranks. I don't think this idea is exactly crazy:
**The 5th have been making a comeback for the last few issues.
**Requiem, a Nictus, hates the Center for taking over the 5th and making him a mere lackey.
**The Kheldian arcs state there's a strong anti-Nictus faction within the Council.
This next part is just slightly crazier
After the war, Requiem's forces would no doubt be weakened. He would have lost access to Mekmen, Vampyri, and regular soldiers, but would still have access to the Nictus derived troops: Warwolves, Galaxy, and possibly the Void Hunters. Still, Requiem would probably need to seek an alliance just to survive, but who would ally with them? The Rikti Military Faction. The alliance would be golden.
**The Lost possibly being used for hosts for the Nictus.
**Sharing scientific knowledge. Especially in the realm of portals and transportation. The Nictus could possibly improve their Shadow Cysts, and the Rikti could establish a stronger portal to their homeworld.
**The life-extending benefits of the Kheldian bond would likely interest the Rikti as it may keep their organs from atrophying from overuse, and they likely wouldn't need to fear being taken over by the Nictus. If the Rikti's mental abilities are any measure, they could easily muster the willpower needed to oust a Nictus.
And now we've entered tinfoil hat territory.
Since this is a conspiracy theory, Nemesis, of course, has to be behind everything. How? Well, we know he started the Rikti War which brought their military to earth. He's also running Ouroboros and during the Mender Lazarus TF you are sent to ensure the victory of the Council against the 5th Column. This leads directly to the sequel war we're already beginning to see between the two factions.
I haven't exactly worked out why he would want to create this alliance. Maybe simply to weaken our and possibly the Rikti's defenses? A Nictus-Rikti alliance would wreak a lot of havok, and it wouldn't be difficult for Nemesis to destroy them once he was done with them
**The Rikti are already in Civil War with the majority being opposed to the Military faction.
**We already know the Kheldians are destroyed in the future because of Twilight's Son.
What do you guys think? Clear as mud? Did I miss something that debunks my theory? Am I crazy?