Influence, what am i missing?

Is there some type of trick or something that I am missing, because I see all of these IO's for millions of influence, and its just out of my price range.

I have about 20 mil on my 30 tanker, and he is looking at IO's that are 100+ mil, so my question is how do I get these IO's.

How do I make the big bucks?

I know there is the buy common IO's and sell them, but theres no way ur making 100 mil doing that.

Buy low, sell high.
Kill more stuff faster, sell what you get in the process.

That's really all there is to it.

Farming at Level 50 for purples. You both rake in the inf from all the kills and sell the loot you don't want.

Farm at AE for tickets and then use the tickets on random rolls in the pools and level ranges where IOs the IOs you are after are found.

Craft IOs that people are willing to buy but aren't willing to spend the time crafting themselves. These could be Common IOs or Uncommon IOs that are good for Frankenslotting.

There is a whole market forum with numerous threads on how to make millions. But it takes time and sometimes a luck of the drop.

The last option (which is slower but potentially more enjoyable) is to run TFs, trade the merits in and sell the results. Random rolls are statistically the best way to go (although be warned unless you are level 50 the results can take some time to sell) although if you would prefer a reliable source a level 25 LotG +7.5% global IO costs 240 merits and sells (if crafted) for about 180million to 200million currently

Read Fury Flechette's A Market Journal: From 0 to Millions and follow the advice there. Playing casually, just a few hours a day, Fury went from 0 to 1,030,858,048 (over 1 billion) in a week.

One simple way to get stuff you want and still make money is if you get a drop that you want on your character, don't craft it and slot it... craft it and sell it.

When it sells, you can use the money you made off the crafted sale to buy the recipe and salvage off the market (which is always cheaper than the crafted price, with exception to a few select items)... now you have the IO you want, slotted, and you made a bit of profit in the process while not costing you anything for the IO itself. Doing this alone throughout your levelling process will net you quite a good portion of free IO's while building your bank at the same time. That bank will later allow you to buy the recipes you want that can't be turned over this way.

In addition to this, when you have the bank to purchase other IO recipes for your build, you can do nearly the same thing... buy a recipe and craft/sell it for profit, use some of that profit to craft another one for use. This should work for at least 70% of IOs on the market. You could also buy two of the same recipe at once and just craft one for sale while slotting the other. personally I like to have money-in-hand before getting my 2nd.

This is, of course, probably the slowest method to getting yourself both reasonably wealthy and well-slotted if it's the only thing you're doing. But you can also do this throughout normal play without really taking any extra time, and in addition to any other marketing/farming/whatever you may be doing to build your inf bank.

Fury's guide that Stargeek posted above is also a great Example of how money can be made on the market. It's not a "copy this and you'll be rich"... but more of a "this is one way to make money with little time investment". Using the market properly is (IMO) the #1 fastest way to build inf.

People already have given you lots of excellent advice, but here's another point:

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Originally Posted by Absorber_NA I have about 20 mil on my 30 tanker, and he is looking at IO's that are 100+ mil, so my question is how do I get these IO's.

Lvl 30 set IOs aren't just for LVL 30s. Many builders want their set bonuses to exemp down as low as possible and lvl 30-32 is exactly the point where an average slotted set is as good or better as SOs.

So you aren't competing with other LVL 30s for those IOs. You're competing with LVL 50s. Who can earn millions a mish without even doing anything special.

So you have 2 paths, - either get a 50 for yourself, or turn off XP and farm at LVL 30, so that those 50s would pay you for your drops and stuff you rolled for merits, until you'll have enough INF to buy whatever shiny you're after.

The latter approach requires a bit less upfront investment, but it's not as fun, at least for me. I love getting XP.

Craft and sell the recipie drops you get. Including the common IO's, especially damage and accuracy. They sell pretty well and are cheap to craft in most cases.

je_saist is wrong. wrong. wrong. wrong. wrong. wrong.

There are two implied conditions: 1) You actually want these expensive IOs and 2) you're willing to put a little work into getting them. There's nothing wrong with wanting expensive stuff, but I'm just going to put it out there that you may not need it. Frankenslotting will probably do just fine. As for the "little work", we're talking maybe five hours to learn the basics? I don't know, I learned it in issue 9 and there were no guides. After that it's very quick.

Look at the top level of any given melee, range, healing, defense, or resistance set. That's six recipes and six enhancements. There's a good chance you can find ONE recipe/enhancement pair with the following characteristics:

1) The enhancement has "last five" sales all in the last couple days.
2) The cost of the enhancement is much greater than the cost of the ingredients, plus the cost of crafting, plus 11% for Wentfees.
3) You can afford the recipe plus the ingredients.
4) The set has at least one orange recipe in it. You can make a couple million a shot on some sets that are yellow-only, but you have to be cleverer.

Put up your fairly low bids and walk away. This is the other secret- it's like baking. You cannot rush it. When you next log in, you will probably have the recipe, and possibly have the expensive parts of the salvage.

If you've chosen your niche right you should have, say, costs of a million and a half for something that's selling for 10 million. Now list it for WELL under sale price- they sell fast, and buyers round up to the nearest number, so they'll bid 1 million, 5 million, 10 million if they're being CAREFUL.

DO NOT USE THIS SPECIFIC EXAMPLE:
I'm going to look at Devastation. Caps out at 50, so look only at the level 50 stuff.

All of these look implausibly good, right? Lots of sales in the last 5 days, you can buy a recipe for 100,000 and sell the crafted for 8 million? It's still good, but it's not THAT good. I'd probably go for the acc/dam myself, but any of these should work. Here's the math:

1)Buy recipe, 100K
2) Buy rikti alloy, around a million inf [by 9 PM this will be selling for millions but right now it's 300K...supply and demand swings wildly]
3) Buy everything else, maybe 100K
4) Craft it for half a million

Total investment: 1.7 million inf.
List it for, like, 5 million and 1 inf. People like to bid even numbers. You will probably get it for around the 9 million that it's selling for, but even if someone bids low and pays 5 million and 1 (of which Wents gets 10%) you still make 2 million. And you might make 6 or 7 million.

Do this five or ten times while you're learning, on five or ten different recipes. You may find something that's really really juicy. Don't overfish it- even if you CRAFT ten of those, don't put them all up for sale at once. Something where you put in 10 million and sell it for 45 million is great, but it is not guaranteed to last. At some point it's going to start selling for 15 million. Find something else.

Fulmens is right.

Also, you'll find niches that work. I did LotG D/R for ages and then it dried up. Once you get a billion, you won't worry about money. It's really easy to make money once you have it.

Farmers will give you their money since usually they don't craft. So, it might cost me 13m to craft something I sell for 20m. Or, 70m for something I sell for 90m.

And while some people see that % for a 70m -> 90m to be lousy. It's still 20m. What will kill you is if something sells very slow as you only have so many slots.

Eventually, you'll buy and sell purples to idiot farmers. Life is good.

*not all farmers are idiots. Most are smart. But the ones that are not still make mad cash and give it to you when they are in "buy it NAO!" mode.

To expand/clarify a couple points.

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Originally Posted by 3dent Many builders want their set bonuses to exemp down as low as possible and lvl 30-32 is exactly the point where an average slotted set is as good or better as SOs

Frankenslotting is better than that. An L25 duo IO gives 20% bonus to each
of its attributes... So, 2 L25 Acc/Dmg IO's (from different sets) would give
you 40% Acc and 40% Dmg for those two slots... Two +3 SO's would only give
38.3%, and L30 Common IO's would only give 34.8%, and, of course, once
you get set bonuses in there, they'll exemplar down to L22.

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Originally Posted by Fulmens je_saist is wrong. wrong. wrong. wrong. wrong. wrong.

Without maligning je_saist per se, I agree, he is. Marketing > Farming.

That's not to say farming is a bad idea and of course, combining both is
even better, but if you can only do one - Marketing will have the larger effect.

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Originally Posted by Fulmens 1)Buy recipe, 100K 2) Buy rikti alloy, around a million inf [by 9 PM this will be selling for millions but right now it's 300K...supply and demand swings wildly] 3) Buy everything else, maybe 100K 4) Craft it for half a million

Some ideas that may make this even smoother and more profitable:

1> SG Base - with storage bins... Fill 'em with drops (2-3 of any item) as
you play... More often than not, I don't even have to buy more than one
piece of salvage for a recipe - the rest was a free byproduct of normal play

2> Depending on your AT/Build use can use AE tix to get the rare salvage.
This is especially helpful if you're starting with low funds, or you have a
farm type build that can run AE easily (see combining Market + Farm above ).
Random rolls with tix is more profitable in the long run, but I can see cases
where sacrificing some tix for specific items can be worthwhile - at least,
it was for me...

3> Grab the Marketing Day Job AND the Smuggler (villain) or Shopkeeper (hero)
Day Jobs. Those will get you free tp's to markets everywhere, AND discount
coupons for crafting. ALL of my toons get these Jobs. It adds up.

Those coupons take 100K+ off the crafting fee for L50 IO's - in Fulmen's scenario,
that's the same as getting the recipe for Free.

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Originally Posted by Absorber_NA Is there some type of trick or something that I am missing, because I see all of these IO's for millions of influence, and its just out of my price range.

Finally, there is no trick. Making inf in the game is extremely easy with nothing
more than a little knowledge and a little effort.

Read some marketing guides along with the advice in this thread, and put
that info to use and I'm pretty sure the inf issues will be solved fairly quickly.

Good Luck.

Regards,
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Farming is a good way of doing it, but of course you need to find the right mission for your build to be able to farm it well. There are some missions that could be farmed at most levels between 25-50 but its knowing which one is right for you. As for myself, I farm with my Bots/FF mastermind on one of the TV missions (not the Don or liberate.. the one before with devouring earth and boulders and freaks for those that are interested) at -1 levels and equal to 7 enemies. I usually end up coming out with an average of 2 purple drops for every 3 runs or will get some nice level 49 drops (LotG / Numina etc) and some nice rare salvage for a couple of runs until the purples start dropping again.
Just remember that once you find that really good mission that you think fits you ( or you and a friend ) then farm it as long as you like for xp / infamy. You can always up and down the difficulty/# of enemies to make that good farm mission last a few levels.
Black Marketeering is also a nice way to make it if you have the time to spend going back and forth crafting and buying and crafting some more. I just prefer to spend my time watching the pretty lights as my bots attack and blow things up.