Blizzard to remove the veil of anonymity


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www.pipl.com was linked on the WoW boards. Scary stuff. It has my new cell phone number who very few people have, as well as my entire family, and tons of other scary info, all from just my first and last name. Satellite photos of me working in backyard last summer. I'm freaked.

EDIT: Lordy. I hadn't seen you can search by screen name too. Thankfully my screen name is a little more unique, and none of the stuff that did actually connect with me was interesting at least.
I did a search for the screen names I use on various sites. (No, I do not use the same one on other sites. In fact, it's usually totally different for each.) None of the information it brought up happens to link to me. Searching for my actual name got a direct hit, close to the top of the list. And I go out of my way to make sure NOTHING about me is easily found. So yes, I consider RealID to be a horrifically bad idea.


 

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From my point of view the current realID currently has loopholes in it to show your full real name currently due to addons as discussed on wow.com. Anyways they have slowly moved insidiously to push realID to the point where it is no longer an option.

Most times if you need technical support you are directed to the forums if you call their offices. So yeah...this isn't really optional....


 

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Of course, this doesn't always work, as forumless Tabula Rasa showed. (I think it was Tabula Rasa that CuppaJo got assigned to? Could have been Auto Assault.)
Was Tabula Rasa, I'm pretty sure. I was in the beta and used the opportunity to catch up with her.

I can't be positive, because I was in Auto Assault's beta too.


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www.pipl.com was linked on the WoW boards. Scary stuff. It has my new cell phone number who very few people have, as well as my entire family, and tons of other scary info, all from just my first and last name. Satellite photos of me working in backyard last summer. I'm freaked.

EDIT: Lordy. I hadn't seen you can search by screen name too. Thankfully my screen name is a little more unique, and none of the stuff that did actually connect with me was interesting at least.
not too much on me, thankfully, but far more than i'd like..and im going to rip my auto insurance agent a new one tomorrow. i pay well ahead, and never am late nor have i gotten in any accidents, i don't need my personal info up on the web. upside is i found a friend from grade school who i lost track of, and we parted on very good terms, so might send an email on a public social networking site he belongs to...so i'm a hypocrite

oh, and that spokeo site is just freaking dangerous,how that much info being aggregated and posted is even legal is troubling to me. though fortunately it is also comically inaccurate. I cant wait to tell my step-father that he is african american...wont He be surprised?


 

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Was Tabula Rasa, I'm pretty sure. I was in the beta and used the opportunity to catch up with her.

I can't be positive, because I was in Auto Assault's beta too.
think she was, then she got moved to dungeon runners, and now is working on second earth. a heavy anthro- mmo.


 

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I don't see what the big deal is. So WoW is gonna be like facebook? Big Whoop.
When FB starts forcing you to 'friend' huge numbers of total strangers you'll have a point.

Until then, failed analogy fails.


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www.pipl.com was linked on the WoW boards. Scary stuff. It has my new cell phone number who very few people have, as well as my entire family, and tons of other scary info, all from just my first and last name. Satellite photos of me working in backyard last summer. I'm freaked.

EDIT: Lordy. I hadn't seen you can search by screen name too. Thankfully my screen name is a little more unique, and none of the stuff that did actually connect with me was interesting at least.
I am offended by the # of Nethergoats online who have nothing to do with me!

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www.pipl.com was linked on the WoW boards. Scary stuff. It has my new cell phone number who very few people have, as well as my entire family, and tons of other scary info, all from just my first and last name. Satellite photos of me working in backyard last summer. I'm freaked.
Cool site! I discovered I had $500 in unclaimed property.


 

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Woot! All of my info is privatized, as it should be. Lub having a brother in tech law enforcement. Oh, and btw displaying the real name of any player under the age of 18 (without their parents' consent) will have Blizzard dealing with enough lawsuits to do some real financial damage as well. WoW being a Teen Rated game does not leave them a lot of breathing room. If the game was rated MA they might have a loophole way around that, but it is, in fact, T+.


 

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Question: Will the Real-ID opt-out that we can set for our children's account also keep them from posting on the forums?

You will be able to set up Parental Controls to disallow a minor from posting.
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One important point which I don't believe has been relayed yet is that the switch to showing RealID on the forums will only happen with the new forum systems we're launching for StarCraft II shortly before its release, and a new forum system for World of Warcraft launching shortly before the release of Cataclysm.

All posts here on the current World of Warcraft forums, or any of our classic Battle.net forums, will remain as-is. They won't (and can't) automatically switch to showing a real first and last name.

All posts in the future on the new forum systems will be an opt-in choice and ample warning will be given that you're posting with your real first and last name.
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Just to respond to those that don't think we read through all of these responses and threads, we do and have been. We will continue monitoring feedback as well.

We put a lot of thought into this change and have a long-term vision for the Real ID service and wanted to make sure that we communicated ahead of time and very clearly as to what will be changing and how. Keep in mind that posting is optional, and we recognize that some players will choose not to utilize the Real ID feature in game or post on the forums and support everyone's individual choice on using or not using it.

This is obviously new ground for us and for you as well, but we want to make sure we're creating a great social-gaming service that people will want to use. We just want to make sure that if people are sharing feedback, that they keep it constructive, and yes, as I said, we are reading.

Hopefully they'll respond to the other bazillion concerns that have been raised since the announcement was released.


 

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The only valid choice is not to play.


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I'm honestly of two minds about all of this, and both stem from the same source, which is about anonymity and the internet.

The single biggest complaint I've ever heard about being online and people's behavior is that their anonymity empowers them to be abusive, to get feelings of superiority and generally be anti-social, bigoted and indulgent of whatever sense of empowerment being online (especially in MMO's) give them. When someone doesn't know your name or where you live, it's a shield. Let's not be disingenuous here. Anonymity is a iron-clad guarantee that you can say pretty much whatever you want, how you want and you won't get any repurcussions from it.

So now we have a situation where that is threatening to be stripped away and the floodgates of complaint are being opened. Now, the initial impulse I had about this was to say 'fantastic! People will be in a position to be responsible for what they say and be held accountable for their actions.'

And I do think there is some argument for that. I was literally talking the other day to a friend (whose name I do know and we met online) about just this topic and we agreed that tirades or opinions expressed online can be done in a way that you would never do in the 'real world', because of their very nature. So what's that saying about people? That the online world is where we can unleash the worst of our nature to be as racist/sexist/abusive/bigoted that we can be? I don't think so, because there's equally a number of people who are mature reasoning adults who want to find a community (an equally inherent human desire).

After that, the other part of my mind thought 'Well, isn't this essentially a forced invasion of privacy?' Instead of letting the community of World of Warcraft police itself, Blizzard appears to have decided that they need to instead, and removing the veil of anonymity is the way to do it. And I totally agree with other posters here that in the day and age of internet stalking and even murder, it's a potentially dangerous move.

Here in Australia, an 18-year old girl was murdered because she was lured to her death by two men posing as part of a natureist movement on Facebook. It was a graphic reminder of how someone's identity was targetted by someone else for a horrendous crime.

I'm not saying it could happen on World of Warcraft, but at its worst, the game has been associated with suicide, parental neglect, self-harm and abuse, theft and murder. They're incredibly evocative stories that obviously generate the worst impression people can have about gamers and their personalities. Now you have an oncoming situation where if someone takes a percieved offence online that they'll act upon it.

I think the users using the aforementioned pipl site (however well-intentioned they could've been) took a dangerous tack. But arguably it cuts both ways; what's to say Blizzard wouldn't do the same to a player they considered a 'risk', and release their information to authorities?

I'm lucky; I searched myself on pipl and got two hits, neither of which revealed any information I wasn't comfortable about sharing already. But this is Pandora's Box to me. I frankly doubt the WoW community will be as responsible as Blizzard hopes, and I doubt Blizzard is being as responsible as the community hopes.

What I do hope is that if nothing else, this causes people to think a bit about what they say and do online, because I think being able to speak your mind openly and freely is a privelege we take forgranted and we can abuse it too easily.


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I have been careful enough with my online identity for quite a while, that there's virtually nothing since just after high school (when I was ridiculously dumb with my online security). It's kind of amazing, since I have a VERY uncommon name. There's only one other person with the same first+last combination in the States (and oddly enough she lives in the same metro area as me!) according to various "white pages" style lookups.

I use generic enough usernames (typically common names from non-English languages; see also: Aggelakis, a common Greek last name!) that they're virtually untraceable. Not a single hit on Aggelakis; there are too many famous Greeks with that last name for my pissant little posts on a City forum to matter.

I searched my boyfriend's name and laughed hysterically. Having the first name "John" makes it almost a non-starter, and his last name is pretty common too (though not "Smith" common )


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Unless someone is able to narrow down the search results of course.



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I'm not saying it could happen on World of Warcraft, but at its worst, the game has been associated with suicide, parental neglect, self-harm and abuse, theft and murder. They're incredibly evocative stories that obviously generate the worst impression people can have about gamers and their personalities. Now you have an oncoming situation where if someone takes a percieved offence online that they'll act upon it.

I think the users using the aforementioned pipl site (however well-intentioned they could've been) took a dangerous tack. But arguably it cuts both ways; what's to say Blizzard wouldn't do the same to a player they considered a 'risk', and release their information to authorities?

I'm lucky; I searched myself on pipl and got two hits, neither of which revealed any information I wasn't comfortable about sharing already. But this is Pandora's Box to me. I frankly doubt the WoW community will be as responsible as Blizzard hopes, and I doubt Blizzard is being as responsible as the community hopes.
The first community that will have to deal with this is the Starcraft 2 forums. The current plan is to install this new RealID Forum system in the new SC2 forums before the game launches in 3 weeks. World of Warcraft won't be experiencing the new forum until just before Cataclysm is released..whenever that is.

HuskyStarcraft put up a commentary about his views on it as a SC player and as a member of the professional SC circuit. As Starcraft's entire Battle.net experience is based around 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 or 4v4 competition I think the potential [censored]storm from knowing the name of your competitor is higher than even in WoW. If you think being on a 5-man heroic or 25-man raid PuG is horrible just try to deal with the verbal abuse from an opponent that gets rushed or a partner that thinks you're not macroing fast enough.


 

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I took a peek at WoW's forums to see the reactions of their community.
I was stunned that there seem to be a lot of them that think this is a perfectly OK change. They're flaming the people that are voicing concerns over it. Absolutely amazing.


 

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The single biggest complaint I've ever heard about being online and people's behavior is that their anonymity empowers them to be abusive, to get feelings of superiority and generally be anti-social, bigoted and indulgent of whatever sense of empowerment being online (especially in MMO's) give them. When someone doesn't know your name or where you live, it's a shield. Let's not be disingenuous here. Anonymity is a iron-clad guarantee that you can say pretty much whatever you want, how you want and you won't get any repurcussions from it.
and by the same token it also frees people up to interact with others in ways that may be difficult or impossible in the real world due to various 'real life' factors.

online we are largely who we present ourselves as, which is a powerful attraction for many, many users. Some a-holes, sure, but mostly just 'regular' folks who want to step outside the confines of their day to day reality.

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Here in Australia, an 18-year old girl was murdered because she was lured to her death by two men posing as part of a natureist movement on Facebook. It was a graphic reminder of how someone's identity was targetted by someone else for a horrendous crime. I'm not saying it could happen on World of Warcraft...
Why not?
Creeps and predators have been using the internet to find victims for as long as there's been an internet.

Given the size of the community I think a bad result of some sort is nearly guaranteed if they actually roll out this plan.


Also, while most of the focus has been on some kind of edge case where the crazy stalker gets violent IRL, there are many, many, many ways to harass, annoy and terrorize someone you have a beef with without even being on the same continent.

As the WoWies have shown with that poor GM, there is a LOT you can find out starting with just a name. Stuff that's widely available like address and telephone numbers are just the start of it. A malicious person armed with a name, address and phone number could cause a perceived "enemy" all manner of harm without ever having to leave their keyboard.

Just a tremendously awful idea.

The more I think about it, the less sense it makes from a community standpoint. It's got to be about somehow leveraging their playerbase for more profit.

Opening up your players to these kinds of problems in the interest of a few more pennies on your bottom line is truly disgusting.


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There's only one other person with the same first+last combination in the States (and oddly enough she lives in the same metro area as me!) according to various "white pages" style lookups.
Since we're talking name trivia. There are exactly two guys with my name in this city, which isn't uncommon, but I guess the exact combination is. Fun fact: The other guy's a lawyer. Which is fun because his clients and once even a judge call me and leave case details on my answering machine. I have considered going into blackmail.

Anyway, anyone going after me has a 50% chance of finding themselves buried in legal hassles, and a 50% chance of having their head caved in by the sword I keep behind the door.


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I took a peek at WoW's forums to see the reactions of their community.
I was stunned that there seem to be a lot of them that think this is a perfectly OK change. They're flaming the people that are voicing concerns over it. Absolutely amazing. I guess the Blizzard Kool Aid must be really tasty.
Observing the last decade or so of non-gaming history, I am completely unsurprised by this.


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