Discussion: New Going Rogue Information on Praetoria
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Posted on: 2010-06-28 10:55 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
Woot!
Thanks for the "moar info!!!1" fix of the day.
Am I missing something? This just seems like rehashed information from Tyrant's page, and a few still shots from one of the GR videos for zone images. Not to be ungrateful, but this doesn't look like new information.
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That's the impression I got, too, yeah.|
Originally Posted by Rylas
Am I missing something? This just seems like rehashed information from Tyrant's page, and a few still shots from one of the GR videos for zone images. Not to be ungrateful, but this doesn't look like new information.
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My assumption is that this is merely a lead-in to more articles about the Praetorian zones. I mean, this is the Overview article for the new Zones section.
Still, not exactly a big info fix.
With all due respect to you, my fellow posters: the game isn't coming out until August 17th; it would be foolish to give out all the information at once. As a matter of fact, it would be foolish to give out all the information regardless of the circumstances.
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With all due respect, it does say "New GR Info". I see only re-posted info. I'm not ranting, I promise, but it's certainly mislabeled and disappointing. Granted, marketing information should be let out slowly to help build and keep interest in the game. I think I've said so in a post before (especially if you don't want competitors ripping of your ideas while you're still in development). But it's not a good marketing move to say you have new info that isn't new.|
Originally Posted by Goliath Bird Eater
With all due respect to you, my fellow posters: the game isn't coming out until August 17th; it would be foolish to give out all the information at once. As a matter of fact, it would be foolish to give out all the information regardless of the circumstances.
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*edit* Also, story background info (such as what this update is) 1.5 months before the drop date won't hurt anybody.
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As much as I love the backstory, I would just die if some high-level arc took you outside the walls of Praetoria only to discover...
...that the rest of the world is doing just fine, and has been carefully watching Emperor Cole's little enclave of mindforked nutjobs with guarded military amusement.
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id bet its one of those "if I told all of it to ya this now I'd have to killya "things is why we get this stuff "slowly" "soon"tm"--
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My sniggly question:
The new page says, "Praetoria stands at the location of Hamidon's first great defeat at the hands of Marcus Cole...", which is nice, but *where* is this, exactly? Is Praetoria in the same spot in Rhode Island where Paragon City stands in Primal Earth, or somewhere else?
Or has this been called out somewhere already, and I'm missing it (which happens a lot 
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That's a nice overview.
I don't know... while there's no entirely new groudbreaking information, it seems to touch on everything all in one place nicely... And I don't know that the specifics of the energy crisis and solution were mentioned before. Although, I could easily have missed it (Either in previous GR info or in the game's arcs).
Raymond Keyes's Anti-Matter breakthroughs are a huge part in what led to Praetorea restoring civilization.
Regardless, I found this to be a very good overview and sent the link to a few people that play, but aren't all that familiar with this stuff yet
I did have one new thought, myself... I really wonder if we will get to visit the "badlands" (so to speak).
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Haha! While that would be an amusing twist, I think I'd, personally, love to get to explore outside the walls and find monstrous obstacles and foes unlike we've seen before (Nuclear Mutation meets Devouring Earth and/or survivors and/or visiting aliens |
Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
As much as I love the backstory, I would just die if some high-level arc took you outside the walls of Praetoria only to discover...
...that the rest of the world is doing just fine, and has been carefully watching Emperor Cole's little enclave of mindforked nutjobs with guarded military amusement. |
)!Either way! Fun stuff!!
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Its new info to me. I haven't seen some of this before.
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Yeah, while there was overlap with Tyrant's bio (and how could you do a Praetoria history without that?), there was still new info about Praetoria in here. And I don't remember seeing pictures of Imperial or Neutropolis before (were they in the vidoc?).
I know I'm way behind in reading this stuff, but checking out Tyrant's bio, when he defeated Hamidon, it sounds more like he defeated what we know as Devoured, instead of the giant jello monster.
Two thoughts based on this:
1) I like the looks of the new zones. However, I do find it a bit amusing that Praetorian Earth is supposed to be swimming in technology and advances beyond those of Primal Earth or the real world, yet the screenshots of Praetoria look much more like most real-world cities than the city zones of Paragon City and the Rogue Isles do.
2) Just before reading this backgrounder, I was reading yet another science fiction novel in which a government manipulates the public into believing something not that dangerous, or even beneficial, is a monstrous threat in order to gain oppressive control over everything. Does this mean that the Praetorian Devouring Earth are actually not a threat, and are just Tyrant's scapegoat for the world's problems? That would trouble me, since I consider the DE the scariest faction in the game and Hamidon the vilest of villains (see "The Terra Conspiracy" arc for why I think so).
I suppose we'll see.
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Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
I know I'm way behind in reading this stuff, but checking out Tyrant's bio, when he defeated Hamidon, it sounds more like he defeated what we know as Devoured, instead of the giant jello monster.
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1) Their Hamidon's mutation was akin to a gigantic, Godzilla style devowered (with modifications) and he was never a jello mold. That mobility made it possible for him to spread the DE like a plague with it springing up everywhere he went (and, naturally, his immoble form on Earth Prime is why the DE are somewhat concentrated in Paragon and the Rogue Isles).
2) OUR Hamidon is "stage one" of the Hami's mutation, but thanks to the concentration of heroes in Paragon he's never been able to get to cell division and develop into the godzilla style devowered because we keep beating him down and he has to regenerate into the first cell again. Pretoria didn't have the concentration of heroes constantly hammering on him, so the first cell replicated and developed into the creature Pretorian Cole beat up.
I like the second one, personally.
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Sounds reasonable to me |
Originally Posted by Redbone
The two best fan hypotheses I've seen on that is:
1) Their Hamidon's mutation was akin to a gigantic, Godzilla style devowered (with modifications) and he was never a jello mold. That mobility made it possible for him to spread the DE like a plague with it springing up everywhere he went (and, naturally, his immoble form on Earth Prime is why the DE are somewhat concentrated in Paragon and the Rogue Isles). 2) OUR Hamidon is "stage one" of the Hami's mutation, but thanks to the concentration of heroes in Paragon he's never been able to get to cell division and develop into the godzilla style devowered because we keep beating him down and he has to regenerate into the first cell again. Pretoria didn't have the concentration of heroes constantly hammering on him, so the first cell replicated and developed into the creature Pretorian Cole beat up. I like the second one, personally. |
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I like it too. I would be curious to see what lies beyond Praetoria's walls as well. In our world the Hamidon's vision is a nightmare, perhaps in Praetoria, it's a perfect, natural world but because man cannot conquer it, it is deemed a threat. Boy that appeals to the tree-hugger in me. |
Originally Posted by Redbone
2) OUR Hamidon is "stage one" of the Hami's mutation, but thanks to the concentration of heroes in Paragon he's never been able to get to cell division and develop into the godzilla style devowered because we keep beating him down and he has to regenerate into the first cell again. Pretoria didn't have the concentration of heroes constantly hammering on him, so the first cell replicated and developed into the creature Pretorian Cole beat up.
I like the second one, personally. |
I guess my point is, who knows what side the Praetorian Devoured Earth are really on?
EDIT: I think I might have spotted an error in the article as well. Surely it should read 'Doctor Pasalima' rather than 'Doctor Hamidon'?
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Agreed. Or at the very least, 'Dr. Hamidon Pasalima.'
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Originally Posted by Dante
Surely it should read 'Doctor Pasalima' rather than 'Doctor Hamidon'?
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Ditto that. The second one is really quite good, and all the more reason to continue those Hami raids! |
Originally Posted by Redbone
The two best fan hypotheses I've seen on that is:
1) Their Hamidon's mutation was akin to a gigantic, Godzilla style devowered (with modifications) and he was never a jello mold. That mobility made it possible for him to spread the DE like a plague with it springing up everywhere he went (and, naturally, his immoble form on Earth Prime is why the DE are somewhat concentrated in Paragon and the Rogue Isles). 2) OUR Hamidon is "stage one" of the Hami's mutation, but thanks to the concentration of heroes in Paragon he's never been able to get to cell division and develop into the godzilla style devowered because we keep beating him down and he has to regenerate into the first cell again. Pretoria didn't have the concentration of heroes constantly hammering on him, so the first cell replicated and developed into the creature Pretorian Cole beat up. I like the second one, personally. |
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This is the bit that interests me, actually.|
Originally Posted by El_Furioso
My sniggly question:
The new page says, "Praetoria stands at the location of Hamidon's first great defeat at the hands of Marcus Cole...", which is nice, but *where* is this, exactly? Is Praetoria in the same spot in Rhode Island where Paragon City stands in Primal Earth, or somewhere else? Or has this been called out somewhere already, and I'm missing it (which happens a lot )? |
The assumption was that the Praetorian capital was on the same site as Paragon City, but Tyrant's backstory suggests he went out to face Hamidon after the latter failed to be nuked by the Mexicans. That would tend to suggest that all of this is built way further south. If he had waited until the thing reached Rhode Island, he would have paused a long time. There's a huge amount of America between Mexico and RI.
Given the nature of portal technology, it seems somewhat likely that the reason we've previously seen a lot of ravaged country is that we keep porting into the land outside the city, in the general area of Rhode Island.
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Glad to see the new update, even if its not quite new-new. I have to keep reminding myself that the stuff going on the website is likely more for potential, new and hopefully returning players than current players. I'm really looking forward to more in-depth stuff later, plus "new to everybody" things.
Not to be mean but this could have been written alot better. For the most part it repeats itself over and over only slightly changing the words up. I can understand its meant to make Tyrant look good but there is only so many times you can say it on a page before you stop reading it.
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Yeah, that sort of bothered me when i read that. i understand that the Praetorians are from a divergent timeline, but (presumably) reversing the name order is a little outside the usual variations.|
Originally Posted by Dark Quill
Agreed. Or at the very least, 'Dr. Hamidon Pasalima.'
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I was so excited to see "New" information about Praetoria that I had to immediately click the links. I read the page three times and I have to say I am a little disappointed at the overall content. I would not say that I am a great author, especially since I have only been published twice, but I was very discouraged to see that they let someone put up the webpage that seems to be a first draft, not a final copy.
It seemed patchy, incomplete, and little more than restating what has already been put out there. If something had been submitted for publication was written in this same fashion, I am pretty sure they would not even get a customary "Your material is not needed at this time" sort of letter back.
All that being said, I will say that the screen shots were beautiful and I am looking forward to playing in this zone.
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