I think kicking someone from a channel may be a little over the top, all because you had been killed by such user within the PVP Zone.
However my personal opinion on PVP Badges is that, there needs to be a general consensus between the players within the zone to "let it by", if the user is there solely to get a badge and go, then atleast have the respect for that user and let them do what needs to be done so that they can go. Killing someone whilest they are trying for a badge can not only be tedious for that user, but also a cheap-kill (kinda lame guys!).
But yeah, I rarely do the PVP Badges during normal hours to avoid such things like that. It is a PVP Zone yes, however I wouldn't be in there if it wasnt for the badges. So I just kindly ask to users who are in the zone (if any) to let me by and get on with what I need to. 9/10 times they let it <3.
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Depends, if the person was getting constantly attacked by the same attacker despite the PVP timer (more than once per 5 minutes), they might have a claim of harassment.
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Originally Posted by Dogma
Now admittedly, I may not know the whole story, but it seems awfully childish to punish someone for using a zone as intended.
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PvP is still here? Had some PvP action in RV when I went after the RV Hero/AV badges, but recently I haven't seen any action in Siren's Call. Warburg and Bloody Bay seem to be just for Nukes and Shivans.
Although hunting for badges in zones can get rather annoying when you have the same guy attacking you in the zone when you are hunting Warriors. I would say it is childish or not depending on if Player A was being constantly harassed by Player B. If Player B just killed Player A once, then it is completely childish, but if Player B just went after Player A even if there were other targets, then it is not childish.
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I had it happen to me like this.
I was pvping on freedom server and killed another pvper in freedom who turned out to be a mod on triumph watch channel on triumph server and logged kicked me from the channel on a different server.
now that person has from what i saw on the triumph boards left the game.
Douchebaggery crosses servers sometimes.
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I was pvping on freedom server and killed another pvper in freedom who turned out to be a mod on triumph watch channel on triumph server and logged kicked me from the channel on a different server.
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Depends, if the person was getting constantly attacked by the same attacker despite the PVP timer (more than once per 10 minutes), they might have a claim of harassment.
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Now, while I will often leave someone alone in a PvP zone if I know they are just farming badges/mobs, you should never expect that. And you have ZERO recourse if someone kills you and interrupts your "badging", even if they do it over and over and over again, save to move on or kill them back. There is no "harrassment" for killing someone in a PvP zone, as that is after all the entire point.
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Ah man... not this topic again. That being said, with one foot in badges and one spent with the pvp community.. I'm pretty sure it's a 30 second timer.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Depends, if the person was getting constantly attacked by the same attacker despite the PVP timer (more than once per 5 minutes), they might have a claim of harassment.
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I guess I'm just the opposite. Sometimes, if I'm just logging off in the pvp zone I broadcast if anyone wants a free shot. Only had one pulled off me so far, but it's all good.
And if I get attacked, I fight back and have fun. If I'm being griefed, I log out and play another character for a while.
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I don't understand why some people get worked up about the PvP badges.
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I'm pretty sure it's a 30 second timer.
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Not for rep.
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"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
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What if they aren't there for rep?
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That said, it still is a PvP zone and all is fair game. A player can be nice and leave you alone to badge but they do NOT have to. It's just the same when people have their little 1v1 duels under the Recluse's Victory atlas statue. It's still perfectly fair if some lame stalker sneaks up and kills one of them.
It's all things based upon friendly agreement between the players. The PvPer who keeps killing you isn't breaking any rule...he's just being a jerk about it.
And this is coming from an all-human PB who is far from a PvPer. I dealt with more than my share of these types. Unfortunately you just have to kind of work around them.
I agree, if you are in a pvp zone then you are indeed at the mercy of the pvpers since it is their zone, having said that, for the most part if you notify the players that are in the zone that are not hidden what you are doing there most if not all will not mess with you. There are always going to be times when you run into an a hole and you have to either do it at another time or get some sg mates to go with you and so on.
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Always try to grab a heavy if you can, they help protect you and they are great with doing damage to pillboxes and you do get a badge for them as well.
Depending what side you are working on for badges, it's a good idea to log on the opposite
toon to check out what you might be up against. (this only works if you have one of course) this will let you talk to other villains/heros so you can inform them you are switching toons to do some badge work in the zone.
Hope this helps
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If someone attacks you in a PvP zone, they are neither "lame" nor a "jerk". The assumption that the PvPer is malicious is probably insulting to the PvPer. In the same sense that maybe the PvPer thinks I am a loser for collecting intangible baubles. Who would run the first mission of the KHTF for 16 hours a day, 3 days in a row, on DXP weekend? Seems pretty silly if you don't care about badges. |
Originally Posted by Astrolynx
Well then it's clear at that point that they're just killing the badger just to annoy them, since they're most likely not fighting back and/or running.
That said, it still is a PvP zone and all is fair game. A player can be nice and leave you alone to badge but they do NOT have to. It's just the same when people have their little 1v1 duels under the Recluse's Victory atlas statue. It's still perfectly fair if some lame stalker sneaks up and kills one of them. It's all things based upon friendly agreement between the players. The PvPer who keeps killing you isn't breaking any rule...he's just being a jerk about it. And this is coming from an all-human PB who is far from a PvPer. I dealt with more than my share of these types. Unfortunately you just have to kind of work around them. |
It seems generally people are demarcating between PvPers and badgers... this seems rather arbitrary. It's a slippery slope to elitism and discrimination. I like my badges. Others like PvP. I'm not better or worse than them because of this.
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I agree, if you are in a pvp zone then you are indeed at the mercy of the pvpers since it is their zone, having said that, for the most part if you notify the players that are in the zone that are not hidden what you are doing there most if not all will not mess with you. There are always going to be times when you run into an a hole and you have to either do it at another time or get some sg mates to go with you and so on.
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And on some servers you are more or less likely to have people either pounce you, or let you be. I know on Virtue, most times someone was working on badges, people not only would usually leave them alone but would tell others, "Don't kill so and so, they are just badging(etc)". As long as you don't take cheap shots at someone else in the process, most of the people left you be.
Though, that said, sending b*thcy/whiney /tells or complaining in broadcast will generally get you ganked.
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Its all for fun just sometimes fustrating getting killed while badge *******. But I've found true PVP'ers hit the arena for real action and noobies tend to cheap shot in RV and other PVP zones. A little kindness to badgers goes a long way when u need help teamin in reg msh zones. Never know who will be your allies when you looking to team or for a task force. After all a lot of Alt'ers on servers.
I think the Devs should have a "completely optional non-mandatory opt-in team building painball excercise" organised in their office on the way between the cubicles and the break room, until they learn their lesson about trying to "encourage" non-PvPers to PvP by putting useful rewards in a PvP zone.
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Originally Posted by Silver Gale
I think the Devs should have a "completely optional non-mandatory opt-in team building painball excercise" organised in their office on the way between the cubicles and the break room, until they learn their lesson about trying to "encourage" non-PvPers to PvP by putting useful rewards in a PvP zone.
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Actually, that explains the badger mentality awfully well...
"The ski slopes are too hard!"
"Master TFs are too hard!"
"PvP Zones are too hard!"
"Damage/healing badges take too long!"
"The explore badges are too hard to find so i'll download a map from the internet!" (note: I'm guilty of that one =P)
For people who like REWARDS, we're sure quick to complain when some of them actually take EFFORT to EARN. And that there shouldn't be any badges for doing viable in-game things that YOU don't WANT to do, which would leave everyone who LIKES doing those things with no means of highlighting their achievements, making you all flaming hypocrites.
Here's an idea... don't want to step into a pvp zone for the pvp badges? DON'T. And then don't whine that you "can't" get them. So you'll never reach 750 badges. Oh well. There's nothing wrong with that. Leave your OCD at the door and accept it.
PS: for everyone who thinks that having to open yourself up to attack for badges is unfair, think about how "fair" it is to the level 12 skulz you decimated with your level 50 around Perez while working on that badge. Yeah. Go you. You are -so- strong.
[edit] I realize there's mitigating circumstances behind those complaints. Some badges DO have unrealistic goals. Some people with handicaps or physical ailments may get a harsh slap in the face that their in-game character, their escape from reality, can't get something based on THEIR physical inability to guide a mouse or react to a fast-moving screen.
And whether it's PvP or Master badges, there does seem to be a bit of unfairness behind another player being able to prevent you from getting a badge. Though in my opinion, that only makes those badges and rewards much more satisfying to get. "I survived griefers, jerks, idiots and morons!" I can think of no better accomplishment.
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Did you also realize that your entire post sounds rather..... well.... here's a quote that describes it:
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I'm sorry, but that's just... whiny.
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It was more like chiding. Do you need to fill out an internet butthurt form?
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So, I'm clearly new to the boards here, but I've a question that may have been already fleshed out, so pardon my laziness from searching....
I don't understand why some people get worked up about the PvP badges. A PvP zone is just that. It seems that one should expect to have to PvP to get the PvP badges (I did when I got them). Why whine and moan when a stalker assasin's strikes you when you are working on a pillbox? Welcome to PvP. I know it's irritating and frustrating, but it's a PvP zone. It wouldn't be quite as rewarding to get all the badges if the they were handed out like candy.
I ask because I just watched someone, player A, kick another person, player B, from a badge channel for PvPing. I got the impression that Player A was trying to badge in the PvP zone and Player B was attacking them. So in retribution, player A, who was a Mod in said channel, kicked player B. There was nothing happening in the channel...
Now admittedly, I may not know the whole story, but it seems awfully childish to punish someone for using a zone as intended.
Am I alone in this?...
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