Discussion: New Gamestop/Razer Going Rogue Promotion
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Posted on: 2010-05-27 10:27 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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No. Things must be tradeable to be placed in a base bin.
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Originally Posted by BlackSun17
Can they be stored in a base enhancement bin?
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Yeah but if we had known back then many of us would have waited, thats my point. We were deceived because they knew something better was coming.
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Originally Posted by Leandro
Your pre-order bonus was to play DP and DS before anyone else. That's what you were told you'd get, that's what you got. You didn't get screwed. This is a different bonus, for other customers.
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On the one hand... It doesn't really matter and it's not something that is going to make me buy another box, maybe try to get the code another way if it works without a gamestop exclusive game code.
On the other hand. I really hate when companies don't give all the buying option information and I make a purchase without that info.
THat along with the fact i was majorly burne with STO's crap... If this happens with NCsoft I think a lot of people will lose faith in the CoH brand and make it all the more likely, no matter how much money has been dropped on the game, that they'll just move on when something new comes around. Why would anyone want to support a company that is just going to jerk them around?
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I used to work at a video game company. You'd be amazed what little say the developers can have in decisions like this.
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Originally Posted by EvilRyu
Ok fine then marketing, but I still think the devs could have had a little say so. There have been tons of threads over the years about people hating gamestop. You would think one of them would have read them and made some objection about it.
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To be completely fair, the FAQ has the statement:|
Originally Posted by Leandro
Your pre-order bonus was to play DP and DS before anyone else. That's what you were told you'd get, that's what you got. You didn't get screwed. This is a different bonus, for other customers.
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"Can I preorder City of Heroes Going Rogue?
City of Heroes Going Rogue is not available for preorder from NCsoft.com. The expansion is only available for prepurchase.
Some of our retail partners may offer their own preorder programs, which are not managed by NCsoft."
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"What is the difference between prepurchasing and preordering?
If you prepurchase, you are buying the City of Heroes Going Rogue expansion pack from NCsoft.com. You will be able to access the Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning Power Sets immediately, instead of waiting until the official release this summer.
If you preorder, you are placing an early reserve for the City of Heroes Going Rogue Complete Collection through one of our retail partners. These early reserve programs are not managed by NCsoft and may have different pricing and incentives. Furthermore, you will not have access to the Dual Pistols or Demon Summoning Power Sets until City of Heroes Going Rogue officially launches." (end Edit Add)
Which would lead one to think NCSoft had no plans to offer any "ingame goodies" with any preorders that came up, and they may have had no such plans until Gamestop (and maybe others, we don't know yet) proposed some (this is the first time I can recall a "3rd Party Goodie" being included in CoH in the form of the desktop).
So, yeah, I can see where some people would be disappointed just as much as I can see where NCSoft hasn't really gone against that statement (this thing is sponsored in part by Razer).
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What a load of [WARNING EXPLICIT LYRICS]. Given that I've bought every single edition and add-on to this game, and have never let my sub lapse (since the day after initial release), I will put my "loyalty" up against anyone's. And, for financial reasons, I did not pre-purchase GR. I have, however, already pre-ordered it (before the bonus stuff was announced).|
Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Your loyal players are the ones that didn't get this preorder. They're the ones that bought this the day or week it came out.
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So get off of your high horse.
To be fair, you could pre-order CoH and get the prestige sprints, and what CoV was available to be pre-ordered people were able to get the special helmets. Granted later on these were made available through Vet badges but there has always been an offer for pre-ordering. Anyway a pre-order is $5 at gamestop, you can pre-oder get the code wait till the game comes out and you have access to your enhancements and then cancel the preoder and get your money back full, or simply move it to another game that you would like.
Also I'd like to mention that people keep using "loyal customer" to justify the prepurchase. Well some of us like myself didn't and don't have the money to do so at this time. So the pre-order gifties are really nice to have and i don't feel left out now for missing all the early DP and Demon summoning.
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This would be nice to know.|
Originally Posted by Redbone
In order for the consumers to make an informed decision, is this the ONLY pre-order exclusive you guys are going to have or can we expect more to pop up as we get closer to the release date?
(Yeah, I know, they should have mentioned this before the prepurchase phase, so "informed decision" is already a bit dinged up, but that horse has already escaped the barn.) |
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Please at least point your nerdrage in the right direction. I highly doubt the developers had anything to do with allowing exclusive rewards, nor were allowed to decide which brick-and-mortar store got what special goodie.
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Originally Posted by Quasadu
Let's see it's $39.99. I get a month of play time, which is $14.99, so that's $25. Knock off another $6.99 since I won't have to buy the item pack online, so about $18 is what I'm paying that I wouldn't have paid anyway.
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I guess to me why it bothers me so much is because these do give a small advantage over those who dont have them for the early part of the game. Pre-order goodies seem to be one of those things everyone is doing now. I remember with aion you got beta access and a dye color depending on who your pre-ordered from. For the most part you got all the same items with no real advantage but this is clearly an advantage. I am gonna hold out before I put anymore cash into this game from now on, no matter how good they claim something is going to be.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
On the one hand... It doesn't really matter and it's not something that is going to make me buy another box, maybe try to get the code another way if it works without a gamestop exclusive game code.
On the other hand. I really hate when companies don't give all the buying option information and I make a purchase without that info. THat along with the fact i was majorly burne with STO's crap... If this happens with NCsoft I think a lot of people will lose faith in the CoH brand and make it all the more likely, no matter how much money has been dropped on the game, that they'll just move on when something new comes around. Why would anyone want to support a company that is just going to jerk them around? |
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Level 20 common IOs are better than DOs, but these aren't DOs. They're dual aspect enhancements (Damage/Recharge) that are described as being "equivalent" to DOs. The question is what exactly they mean by "equivalent". Will the total enhancement value be equal to that of a DO? Will each aspect have an enhancement value equal to that of a DO? If it's the latter, these enhancements will effectively be SO-level strength (if you slot two of them you'd have the same enhancement value you'd get from slotting 1 Damage SO and 1 Recharge SO). In addition to this, they'd also have their proc effects. This'd make them superior to SOs in powers that you'd slot for both Damage and Recharge, and (unless the proc effects really suck) in many cases also make them superior to common IOs.|
Originally Posted by Quasadu
I don't think they'll stop working. The pics show them as being level 1 enhancements so I bet they work like an IO, just with DO numbers. Thing is, at level 20, common IO's are better than DO's, so these quickly become obsolete. But not totally worthless.
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The really interesting question is how they will compare to set IOs. These IOs have the additional proc benefits, but dual aspect set IOs (of sufficiently high level) will give higher enhancement values, and also give set bonuses. Which one is "better" would probably vary from case to case, but would be strongly influenced by just how good the proc effects are (if they're comparable to even the weakest of the current procs, there will be some cases where they'll be rather desirable).
I can also see these enhancements as being particularly interesting for Targeted AoE Damage powers. IOs containing Recharge are hard to come by in the "regular" Targeted AoE Damage sets (one Damage/Recharge in each of the 3 sets - more can be found in the purple and PvP sets, but the purple set can't be slotted until lvl 50, and the PvP set can be hard to acquire). These enhancements would then provide an additional means (other then common IOs and secondary effect sets) to put Recharge into Targeted AoE Damage powers.
At any rate, it seems like these enhancements would be great at low levels.
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Fair enough. My word choice may have been off. My original and core message was that this feels like a disservice to people that already bought it under the false assumption that doing so was the way to maximize preorder goodness.|
Originally Posted by Hallowed
What a load of [WARNING EXPLICIT LYRICS]. Given that I've bought every single edition and add-on to this game, and have never let my sub lapse (since the day after initial release), I will put my "loyalty" up against anyone's. And, for financial reasons, I did not pre-purchase GR. I have, however, already pre-ordered it (before the bonus stuff was announced).
So get off of your high horse. |
(I'm not really sure the difference between a pre-order and pre-purchase. Anyone that feels compelled to correct me, please include an explanation.)
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Don't forget that you still have beginner's luck +ToHit from level 1 to 20 and the Streak Breaker.|
Originally Posted by Bionic_Flea
Each character gets all 5 enhancements. I am going to guess that you can only use 1 per power since five procs in a power that will also be slotted for damage and recharge seems a bit much, even at DO levels.
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Originally Posted by Arbegla
Well, if they are DO level, then you may or may not want to replace them. they are basically a DAM/RECH enhancement, with a Proc on them as well. if its minor damage, then it scales up to about 70-ish damage at level 50. as well as giving you dam/rech. I see that as a means to replace those damage procs people just throw into their 6th slot...
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And since their enhancement aspects are outclassed by other available enhancements at level 22+, it would be best to look at the extra damage they do from levels 1-22. At regular strength, such procs would do 6.7 - 33.7 damage. At minor strength, they may be doing half that amount.
For the min-maxing power users, these enhancements are a boon from level 1 - 22. After that, they'll be replaced.
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Originally Posted by EvilRyu
Yeah but if we had known back then many of us would have waited, thats my point. We were deceived because they knew something better was coming.
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DECEIVED?!?
Do you even know what that word means?
Seriously. No... really... do you know what it means?
Even if, and that's a big "if", they knew these enhancements were coming when they announced the pre-purchase early access bonus, there is no deception involved.
As to whom they chose to partner with, I'm sure there are just as many, if not more people, that dislike Best Buy (like me) as there are those who dislike GameStop. And Amazon is not a "brick and mortar" retailer, which is what they are clearly targeting.
Bah... why am I even surprised? This [WARNING EXPLICIT LYRICS] is par for the course for ER.
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It wouldn't be a bad idea for you (or anyone planning to take this course of action) to contact Customer Service just to be sure all the codes are compatable on one account. It would be a real problem if you prepurchased and that "locked out" the GS Preorder code and/or the Complete Collection Box Set Code. While I doubt it would, it is possible and there is a history with preorder codes from previous releases were exclusive, you couldn't apply all the CoV preordercodes and get the goodies, for example (I had access about 3 months after release to three different store's preorder codes for CoV and ended up giving them away randomly).
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Originally Posted by Quasadu
Except that the Isolator badge didn't give any actual in game advantage...
Yeah. I am glad I didn't prepurchase on my second account but now I have to decide if these enhacements are worth the price to get for my primary account as well. Let's see it's $39.99. I get a month of play time, which is $14.99, so that's $25. Knock off another $6.99 since I won't have to buy the item pack online, so about $18 is what I'm paying that I wouldn't have paid anyway. Hmm. Gonna be a tough call. I might need to see the numbers (i.e. what's the % chance to proc, what's the damage/kd mag when they do proc). |
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Pre-order: you place your order earlier, might or might not give them the money earlier, but you don't get the stuff until it's released, or maybe a couple of days earlier.|
Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
(I'm not really sure the difference between a pre-order and pre-purchase. Anyone that feels compelled to correct me, please include an explanation.)
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Pre-purchase: you pay immediately and get the stuff (or whatever is available at the time) as soon as you place your order.
In our case, the pre-purchase got you access to the bits of GR that were done at the time: DP and DS. Pre-orders don't get that.
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Your Zero senses are correct. Not only do people outside the US NOT get a box, they are now excluded from another perks related to buying the expansion.|
Originally Posted by TsumijuZero
Given my previous experience of US and UK codes being incompatible, my Zero senses are tingling that if I order it anyway I'll most likely get gimped and won't be able to add it to an EU account.
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That's 2-0 NC Soft! Way to go Marketing guys! You really, really are doing your best to keep up your image as heartless people only interested in sucking the last cent from buyers. Bless your little black shrivelled pebbles.
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I'm filing this in my bin of "decisions that I don't like and that I understand people getting upset over, but that ultimately, I'm not personally terribly upset over." I've gotta admit, I'm scratching my head over giving people who didn't preorder early an extra reward.
Personal opinion o' Tony is that this is likely not a matter of what's fair or not fair, but a simple accounting maneuver. It's not secret that City of Heroes's numbers have been falling lately. (No, that's not DOOOOM!-crying, it's likely a result of last quarter not having a major issue release and people waiting for Going Rogue to invest in the game again.) Instead of having one massive influx of cash in July, they released one preorder in May to get some money for May's books, they're releasing another preorder for June to get some money for June's books, and then the official launch will bring in money for July's books.
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Pre-purchase: If you die tomorrow, NCsoft has your money. Pre-order: If you die tomorrow, your heirs have your money.
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Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
(I'm not really sure the difference between a pre-order and pre-purchase. Anyone that feels compelled to correct me, please include an explanation.)
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We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
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Well, that one is going in the notebook for later use.
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Originally Posted by TonyV
Pre-purchase: If you die tomorrow, NCsoft has your money. Pre-order: If you die tomorrow, your heirs have your money.
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I'm somewhat confused by the level of response to this.
(disclaimer, I'm in the EU and so don't even get the option of these shinies, so I may not be running at a full rage/bile quotient)
People on these board have been screaming for marketing to do something, anything to promote the game.
So Marketing are now doing something to promote the game.
Cue board rage.
Whuh?
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Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Fair enough. My word choice may have been off. My original and core message was that this feels like a disservice to people that already bought it under the false assumption that doing so was the way to maximize preorder goodness.
(I'm not really sure the difference between a pre-order and pre-purchase. Anyone that feels compelled to correct me, please include an explanation.) |
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===>Pre-purchase is paid in full, and in this case only available through the NCSoft Store.
Pre-Order is available through various channels, incl. GameStop, Best Buy & Amazon, and, depending on the retailer, may simply entail a deposit, or may also require a full pre-payment.
Hope that helps.
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You have a bin for that!?
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Originally Posted by TonyV
I'm filing this in my bin of "decisions that I don't like and that I understand people getting upset over, but that ultimately, I'm not personally terribly upset over." I've gotta admit, I'm scratching my head over giving people who didn't preorder early an extra reward.
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That has nothing to do with the decision to offer exclusive goodies, nor the decision of which store gets what goodies. Marketing says "Gamestop gets goodies." Developers say "okay, what are we doing for them?" Marketing and developers hash out possibilities, with marketing having the final say. Marketing decides to tack on another goodie in the form of a physical item (in this case, a mouse pad).|
Originally Posted by Felderburg
Well, at some point they had to develop the enhancements...
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In only somewhat related news, did anyone else lol as hard as I did at the mouse pad wording? It's a "desktop skin" and a "high performance, repositional surface". No, guys, it's a mouse pad. Mmmooouuussseee pppaaaddd.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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They're keeping up their image as heartless people only interested in sucking the last cent from buyers by...making sure that we in the EU can't buy multiple copies to get the extra goodies? That seems a very inept way of sucking extra money from us.
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Originally Posted by Blue Rabbit
You really, really are doing your best to keep up your image has heartless people only interested in sucking the last cent from buyers.
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