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Mako makes it very clear he hates you and would honestly like to eat you, but repercussions from Arbiter Daos stop him. I haven't done Black Scorpion's arc, so can't speak about him.
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Originally Posted by BlueBattler
I have several villains now in the upper 30s, and I find myself thinking about the Patron Arcs.
I have done Ghost Widow and Scirocco's, and I'd really like to do the other two to say I've done them all, but ... Well, by the time my villains hit 40, they don't take kindly to being ordered around by ANYBODY. Do Mako and Black Scorpion show you any respect after the inevitable beat down you put upon them? I've got a couple of high level villains, but most of them wind up leveling in RWZ after 35 just because I don't care for being ordered around by Arachnos. |
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I can testify to Mako's attitude. He basically hates you and would kill you if he could, but it is kind of fun to watch him try to suppress it so as not to get himself in trouble. It's refreshing to see these guys finally take notice of you because you're too big in Arachnos for them to mess around.|
Originally Posted by Steel_Shaman
Mako makes it very clear he hates you and would honestly like to eat you, but repercussions from Arbiter Daos stop him. I haven't done Black Scorpion's arc, so can't speak about him.
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Then again, I agree with the spirit of the thread. Few of my characters (who aren't already servants of other of my characters) would stand for taking orders. In fact, the game has a really serious disregard for the fact that not everyone is working alone.
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Black Scorpion, after all is said and done, expresses a desire to kick the crap out of you. No dice there.
Mind you, in the Project DESTINY arc, it is mentioned that Black Scorpion decides to side with the Player character rather than Recluse...
Really, Sirocco is the only Patron who takes their defeat with any humility.
Mainly because Scirocco is an anti-villain (the villain version of the anti-hero? lol)... sort of kind of. The rest are all villains. (Obviously with different reasons to be.)
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Black Scorpion doesn't treat you with any respect, although he's not particularly abusive either. He's mostly focused on making improvements to his armor, bordering on monomania I think.
In terms of the betrayal mission, he's probably the easiest patron to defeat (I haven't fought Mako, though so I'm not 100% on that). For a guy covered head to toe in thick, cybernetic combat armor, Black Scorpion has one hell of a brittle glass jaw.
Goodbye, I guess.
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I've got the grand total of two villains with patrons. My first two.
A Mastermind with Black Scorpion (or the paranoid moron, as I STILL call him 4 and a bit years after I played through the arcs) and a Brute with Ghost Widow.
After I'd been through those two patrons' set of arcs, I had absolutely no desire to go near any more of Recluse's little crew of idiots again.
So all my subsequent villains have been freelancers, working for who they want to, when they want to.
I've always considered the patrons to be a slightly poorly thought out mechanic, in that it restricts player creativity somewhat when it comes to deciding their characters path through the game. 'You want a personal shield on your squishy villain but don't want the baggage that comes with a patron? Tough luck.'
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I don't know...most my villains tend to side with Sciricco, because well, he has heroic tendencies.
But there's an easy way to side with Mako.
When picking Patrons, I let my Elec/Therm choose Mako, solelyl on the reason it says, "Mako would like to see you..."
So, I had my Elec/Thermal pick Mako and go "Dammit, why's he want to talk with ME?!"
She's not a cold blooded killer. 
And I was looking for a reason to run his arc.
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A huge word of warning;
If you do Makos arc, for the love of all thats sane, make sure you have KB protection. No, seriously, I mean it. That arcs missions has the most fuggorible mission for KB ever; the leviathan tunnels, packed full of tornadoes.
Its even worse than escorting the fragile hostages in the RWZ arcs. Because at least when they die, the suffering is over. This just takes, and takes, and takes...
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Originally Posted by Lord_Nightblade
Black Scorpion doesn't treat you with any respect, although he's not particularly abusive either. He's mostly focused on making improvements to his armor, bordering on monomania I think.
In terms of the betrayal mission, he's probably the easiest patron to defeat (I haven't fought Mako, though so I'm not 100% on that). For a guy covered head to toe in thick, cybernetic combat armor, Black Scorpion has one hell of a brittle glass jaw. |
I'll never understand getting all dressed up in armor and then running around with a big fleshy target where I like to keep a vital organ or two. You might as well be a Boss in a Starfox game.
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A mere technicality. He's covered in armor that's practically a foot thick in some places and he bills himself as the strongest of Recluse's lieutenants in terms of brute force. But he goes down like a bad souffle.
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Originally Posted by Warkupo
He's not really covered 'head to toe'. His head is wide friggin' open.
I'll never understand getting all dressed up in armor and then running around with a big fleshy target where I like to keep a vital organ or two. You might as well be a Boss in a Starfox game. |
Goodbye, I guess.
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Scirocco an anti-villain? Yeah, he might like to think so, but all I hear coming from his mouth are excuses and rationalizations for his actions. He doesn't do a damn thing heroic. Hell, he'd rather change the fabric of the world, so he'd be heroic by default, than actually go out and be a hero.
And don't try to sell me any of that curse malarky. I'll believe he's got no hand in his fate when I see it.
My "grander" villains (i.e., the arch-villain type) view the Patrons as mere stepping stones to greater power. What, you've all never heard of villains teaming up with or even working for other villains in a mere ploy to grasp power for themselves? Doctor Doom does it all the time.
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Then steal it. Beat the snot out of the Patron and take the shield by force.| I've always considered the patrons to be a slightly poorly thought out mechanic, in that it restricts player creativity somewhat when it comes to deciding their characters path through the game. 'You want a personal shield on your squishy villain but don't want the baggage that comes with a patron? Tough luck.' |
You people call yourselves villains...
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We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
My "grander" villains (i.e., the arch-villain type) view the Patrons as mere stepping stones to greater power. What, you've all never heard of villains teaming up with or even working for other villains in a mere ploy to grasp power for themselves? Doctor Doom does it all the time.
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The only exception is my Night Widow. She's a total company girl, totally loyal to Recluse (she got involved in the Destiny stuff because she didn't trust the rabble freed from the Zig). I had her pick Black Scorpion as her patron, because she thought Scorpion needed extra supervision to keep him from overstepping his bounds.
Goodbye, I guess.
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Mako is a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE arc.
I'm only ladylike when compared to my sister.
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Originally Posted by Warkupo
He's not really covered 'head to toe'. His head is wide friggin' open.
I'll never understand getting all dressed up in armor and then running around with a big fleshy target where I like to keep a vital organ or two. You might as well be a Boss in a Starfox game. |
And who knows, he could have a metal skull. Is there anything to say it's fleshy?
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I don't think Black Scorpion is smart enough for his brain to count as vital in any way shape or form.
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Originally Posted by Warkupo
He's not really covered 'head to toe'. His head is wide friggin' open.
I'll never understand getting all dressed up in armor and then running around with a big fleshy target where I like to keep a vital organ or two. You might as well be a Boss in a Starfox game. |
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...You may have a point. Kind of a self fulfilling destiny. He's probably stupid because of all the knocks in the head he took from his lack of helmet so he doesn't know enough to wear a helmet because he's too stupid from getting hit in the head all of the time.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
I don't think Black Scorpion is smart enough for his brain to count as vital in any way shape or form.
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My main picked Ghost Widow specifically because he's obsessed with her. He likes dead things.
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My main picked Ghost Widow specifically because he's obsessed with her. He likes dead things.
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.........ewww.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Bow-chicka... hey waitaminnit...
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I'm just curious, when people say Black Scorpion is easy, are you fighting him as an EB or as an AV? Team or Solo?
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I only ever picked Black Scorpion as Patron (as of now only two of my villains hit 40 yet), but from checking ParagonWiki, most contacts are pretty sore about their beat-down but come to respect you after Time After Time.
Scirocco's kinda the opposite in that he says he respects you after his beat-down, but at the end of Time After Time he goes all NEENER NEENER NEENER I USED YOU, so let's just say I doubt his sincerity. Mako doesn't really care either way and never really cares about you one way or the other.
Black Scorpion and Ghost Widow are the ones that are the most sore about their beat-down but towards the end of Time After Time they respect you and even seem genuinely concerned about you. I confess to being weirdly touched by Black Scorpion's last two words before sending me off to face Lord Recluse, they really caught me off-guard.
tl;dr:
After the beat-down Black Scorpion and Ghost Widow are sore you beat them, Scirocco claims to respect you and Mako doesn't care.
After Time After Time Black Scorpion and Ghost Widow respect you, Scirocco feels all high-and-mighty about "using" you and Mako still doesn't care.
I have several villains now in the upper 30s, and I find myself thinking about the Patron Arcs.
I have done Ghost Widow and Scirocco's, and I'd really like to do the other two to say I've done them all, but ...
Well, by the time my villains hit 40, they don't take kindly to being ordered around by ANYBODY.
Do Mako and Black Scorpion show you any respect after the inevitable beat down you put upon them?
I've got a couple of high level villains, but most of them wind up leveling in RWZ after 35 just because I don't care for being ordered around by Arachnos.
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