Live Patch Notes - 5/12/10

Since the LGTF seems to be popular at the moment lets go with that. A "kill everything" run takes a couple of hours; for that you get a metric ton of influence/infamy, several thousand chances at a drop, a load of vanguard merits and 37 reward merits. The fastest I've ever done it was 22:46, and I don't think anyone got a single recipe drop, half of the time people were bailing from missions prior to completion so they could get to the next entrance faster, shivans were being dropped at almost every serious encounter and even a few warburg nukes got tossed into the mix. Did we run it like a 5 mission long farm? No. Did we put any less effort into it though? Hardly.

In the end the mission is to save the world; if you view actually saving the world as more urgent than beating the inf out of an endless supply of rikti, you shouldn't be penalised further for doing so.

Getting Glacia killed to save time ought to reduce the reward though... Infernia not so much, she talks for so long you can clear half the map waiting for her to shut up.

Hmmm... I see.

Technically you had tested the bare mechanics, but skipped the "playability" aspect.
I do understand.
I imagine you were under a fair bit of pressure to "get the mitos fixed NAO!".
Rushing can cause oversights.

I apologize if I seemed overly snarky (channeling a little of my mom, I guess >.<).

Thank you for taking a second look and making adjustments.


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Don�t say things. What you are stands over you the while, and thunders so that I cannot hear what you say to the contrary. - R.W. Emerson

Good show man. Good show.

ALL of the mitos are considered part of hammidon. Killing hami's central nucleus does not end the mission. ALL the mitos also must die.

Wow, 50 points of hold protection? That is unrealistic for a Task Force Team. As folks are saying you would need a team full of dominators or controllers to even come CLOSE to that magnitude.

I did notice something trying the LGTF with my friends tonight. The Weakened Hamidon is classified as "Elite Boss" and the Healing Mito is classified as "Hamidon". I didn't check to see the classification of the blue or yellow mitos (before defeating them all), might that be something to why this is so difficult?

Finally somebody who understands it . maybe they are hard working on GR .

Castle anyway you can just turn it back to the way it was . or just lower the reward that they dont want to do LGTF anymore other then for the one time for fun .
Like so many other TF/SF . most here are just moaning about farming . if they really like the story they dont mind less rewards .
Infact 1 merit on some Arcs contact never heard anybody moan about that when it previously gave 11 .

And anyway we can fix the costume bugs its a QoL issue .amd contact pictures loading time .

There is exactly one other TF that is Co Op. SO tell me, how am I to go do a ton of other task forces with my friends when we play mixed hero/villain ATs? After the first ITF you're rewards on the same character are very reduced.

Well aint they going to fix that situation in GR , your friends can go over or you can go over .
But the last line is the thing its the rewards and ITF had been nerfed cause of that reason .

So if playing with your friends isn´t good enough other then the reward merits .
Then you have to think are they your friends or should they even consider you as friend.
Who cares if the rewards are reduced when you are playing the same missions over and over its called farming .
Nothing against farming , but then you all move over to next farm when that rewards is beter . we seen it happen all over again and again .

You heard it here first: the Cathedral of Pain is returning! :P

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

yes if it's going to require specific powers then that tf should give them to you.

Clicking on the linked image above will take you off the City of Heroes site. However, the guides will be linked back here.

This is more an indication that the aggro auras need to be more distinct when moving from tank to brute to scrapper

I'm sure the mods would like it if you used the little report button if you see someone dev bashing past your point of tolerance.

Don't let the Dev response to a post deter you either ^_^.

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When we ran LGTF after i17 release, I used Surveillance on green mitos. It showed 90% damage resitance to all positions. After EF was applied, it dropped to 84.5%. I haven't run LGTF since then, so I don't know whether their resistance was reduced to 70% in the last patch or not

The zone hamidon encounter doesn't work that way though. Once the Hamidon nucleus is down the mitos go boom.

Even the original hamidon encounter worked that way. I remember we had a yellow dawn (full bloom) and we killed him just as the bloom wiped most of the raid. It was quite epic.

Agreed. I'd include Taunt and Gauntlet-lite for Brutes, too. Unless a Tanker uses Taunt and a Brute doesn't, the Brute will out threat the Tanker - same taunt durations, same threat mod, while having higher damage.

Boy, that was a very defective envelope. I'm switching to napkins.

I've used it several times for timed missions when I've had to log out (and therefore don't want to autofail the mission).

Also, the ancient 'Go Talk to Warson Liaison' missions can be abandoned. They're still there of course but it can cut down the time taken to 'do' those missions.

I'm guessing the exploit arises from linked talk to, then go hit stuff missions (early Hero contacts for example - defeat 5 Hellions then head off to a warehouse).

However, considering that street-sweeping is a far easier way to achieve levels early on I'm not sure how exploitable this really was in the first place.

If xp has also been destroyed for Hunt Missions then that's poor planning imo. TFs and SFs are also affected by this.

Does it also apply to hunt missions where you are ambushed?

Double post but it's on a separate issue.

The LGTF was fun, enjoyable, difficult enough to warrant rewards.

Hami was always the mission that people groaned about.

Being struck by slowing (movement and recharge), -recovery, -regen, chained lightning makes it very difficult for characters with excellent defense and/or resist protection to adequately damage the mitos. So it needs a good team who know what they're doing.

Blasters, Defenders, Controllers, Dominators, Corruptors - they may have range but not necessarily the defences to back that up.

50 mag Hold Protection is silly.

However, I've been on LGTFs where there has been little in the way of Holds. It's taken considerable time to get rid of the mitos but it has been done. With a lot of faceplanting.

If there are two ATs (well, VEATs and some Corruptors/Defenders/Blasters too) that have particular skills that make the task of destroying ONE kind of Mito a little easier, then why is that game-breaking? Surely it's just highlighting what makes those ATs unique?

It doesn't necessarily follow that LGTF runners will only take characters with Holds.

Also, if this is the design intent, then the LRSF Heroes need a ridiculously high confuse protection, to lessen the impact of Plant and Mind Control Doms.

Actually, yeah - shouldn't this fix the problem?

Actually, that's just "flavor text".

Mobs (and players) have "Classes". These classes determine the core attributes of the entity, and how strong the effects of a power used by the entity will be. Examples include Minion, Lt, Boss, EB, Blaster, AV, ....

In your targeting box there's a label that describes your target. Often, but not always, this label shows the class of the target. Other times, the label has no relation to the class, but is meant to give some sort of description of what the target is. In this case, the label is just a label.


One label that gets around a lot is "Hero". Most people probably think that a "Hero" is "the heroic equivalent of ArchVillain", and sure this is *often* the case (in those cases, it's a label applied to ArchVillain class mobs). However, "Hero" is also used as a label on Lt, Boss, EB and Monster class mobs. When you run into a Boss labeled "Hero", that label does not confer any additional bonuses to them, they still have the core Boss attributes.

Note that while "Hero" is just a label, "ArchVillain" is used both as a class and a label. Usually the AV label is used on AV class mobs, but sometimes it's also used on Monster class mobs.

If that is in fact the only reason that the CoP Trial has not been put back in the game, re-adding it would seem to be a way to add a commonly requested feature for relatively little work.

However, since the ability to make non-rewarding FedExes is not new, it'd seem a bit strange if it was indeed the only reason.

Cool. Now, how about fixing the "real" problem with the LGTF. The main reason i never run that blasted TF. The fact it rewards you for letting women and children die (get KOd?). I can never find a team that wants to be heroic on that TF. Apperently, saving 20 mins (if even) is all that matters.

And besides... WHY can a TF continue when you FAIL 2 missions??? Huh? That's never made any since to me. And for full rewards too. That's just stupid. IMO of course.

It's like I've always said (actually, this might be the first time), the envelopes are out to get us. I think they have something to hide.

(also, annoyingly often they seem to contain bills)