Still no.
The game is designed around having and making new alts. The devs are not going to change their very most basic and fundamental design strategy because you want to keep your badges and have new powers.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Still no.
The game is designed around having and making new alts. The devs are not going to change their very most basic and fundamental design strategy because you want to keep your badges and have new powers. |
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Still no.
The game is designed around having and making new alts. The devs are not going to change their very most basic and fundamental design strategy because you want to keep your badges and have new powers. |
It's functionally identical to rerolling and deleting.
In fact, it would be even better to keep the alt you have and transfer the (non-functional, cosmetic only) badges to another.
I'm expecting plenty of flames, and the neg rep already started, so how about I head this off by asking, if you are going to complain about it, at least come up with something better than "it sounds similar to that other thing that has been debunked."
Actually, I'm thinking that I could have made the same concept more popular just by rephrasing the delivery to avoid associations with that other thing.
A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!
Badges are a time sink. Alts are a time sink. They don't make badges global for this specific reason. What you're requesting is not functionally different than just making all badges global.
Then I get to create a new level 1 that has all the accolades out of the box. It ain't gonna happen.
Be well, people of CoH.
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No it's not. A new alt will need to spend more time to get all those "cosmetic, non-functional badges" back. A rerolled 50 will not. This game has a subscription fee.|
Originally Posted by ChaosExMachina
It's functionally identical to rerolling and deleting.
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Actually, I'm thinking that I could have made the same concept more popular just by rephrasing the delivery to avoid associations with that other thing.
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EDIT: Curse you and your fast typing Bill Z!
At least I beat you to the punch in the shield defense thread...
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Uh, it's completely different from global badges because it is still just 1 alt that has them.
Personally I only bother with badges other than accolades (let's take accolades out of the discussion) with 1 alt anyway. Some people like to collect them with multiples, but those people would be totally unaffected.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Badges are a time sink. Alts are a time sink. They don't make badges global for this specific reason. What you're requesting is not functionally different than just making all badges global.
Then I get to create a new level 1 that has all the accolades out of the box. It ain't gonna happen. |
What Bill said. If anything, transfer the toon to another server, and reroll with the same name and new AT/powers/etc. at lvl1.
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Does anybody actually delete and reroll their main badge collectors? I'm guessing that an extreme minority of the population ever do such a thing, and if so they are probably the sort quite unlikely to subscribe less.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
No it's not. A new alt will need to spend more time to get all those "cosmetic, non-functional badges" back. A rerolled 50 will not. This game has a subscription fee.
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Can you think of even 1 person who would, under the current system, reroll a main badger, get to the cap, which, by the way, they are doing no faster than they would if they had not rerolled, then decide to quit?
Because the "time sink" argument is essentially saying that there is some sort of subset of the subscriber base that likes to farm badges with a single toon only, reroll that toon occasionally, and then farm them again. That's quite ridiculous.
A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!
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Listen up, because you're not getting it. I'll give you an example. My level 50 dark armor/fire tank, Soulburn Sands, earned a bunch of badges, but it turns out I'd like something a bit more offensive to have fun with.|
Originally Posted by ChaosExMachina
Does anybody actually delete and reroll their main badge collectors? I'm guessing that an extreme minority of the population ever do such a thing, and if so they are probably the sort quite unlikely to subscribe less.
Can you think of even 1 person who would, under the current system, reroll a main badger, get to the cap, which, by the way, they are doing no faster than they would if they had not rerolled, then decide to quit? Because the "time sink" argument is essentially saying that there is some sort of subset of the subscriber base that likes to farm badges with a single toon only, reroll that toon occasionally, and then farm them again. That's quite ridiculous. |
I didn't delete him. I saved the costume file and created a fire/fire scrapper named Soulfire Sands. Level 1. No badges. Now if I want my Master of Statesman on my fire/fire scrapper, I have to probably join 8 or so teams until one of them can get it right. Do that for every other badge that I happen to like having. That's a ton of extra time I wouldn't have to spend with your idea. Plus, I like having my tank that I can go back to anyway.
The point is your suggestion in no way helps this game and therefore will not happen.
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Negative. The time sink is for badging in general.| Because the "time sink" argument is essentially saying that there is some sort of subset of the subscriber base that likes to farm badges with a single toon only, reroll that toon occasionally, and then farm them again. That's quite ridiculous. |
I've only gotten all the buff accolades three times. This third time WAS due to me deleting my main villain, em/fa brute, and rerolling him as a dm/wp brute.
Would I have been happy as a kid in a candy store if I hadn't needed to bother with that drudgery again? Oh hell yea. However, that was the in game price I had to pay for rerolling.
And that's a price the devs aren't going to give up. They've already stated in no uncertain terms that a full archetype/powerset respec is NEVER going to happen. You get to 50 on some X/Y character, get all the badges and then decide you want a different badger? That's your choice. The devs will not be letting you move all those badges from the soon to be deleted character to a new one.
Be well, people of CoH.
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Originally Posted by ChaosExMachina
Ok, we've heard of the whole full respec thing before.
This is a proposal to make it actually work. What I want is essentially a reroll while keeping badges and souvenirs. In other words it is just like the current option (rerolling) but there is no issue with badges deterring you from doing it, and people who want an AT respec can feel like they can do so, without interfering with the alt incentive. |
Unlike the usual AT-respec, the new character actually starts out at L1, rather than remain a L50 (or less).
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Someone with a non-healer wanting to get the heal badges quicker.
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Originally Posted by ChaosExMachina
Can you think of even 1 person who would, under the current system, reroll a main badger, get to the cap, which, by the way, they are doing no faster than they would if they had not rerolled, then decide to quit?
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Doesn't matter. There's no way they will allow a level 1 character to start the game with all the buff accolades and there's no way they could split out the badges that grant accolades and allow all the others to go to the new level 1.|
Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork
Unlike the usual AT-respec, the new character actually starts out at L1, rather than remain a L50 (or less).
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Ain't happening.
Be well, people of CoH.
Delivery of the same old idea doesn't matter. It's like that old saying. You can polish a turd, but it's still a turd.
Something to keep in mind about full AT respecs/delevel 50's to 1 ideas/suggestions. Power customization was something often requested by the players. AT respecs are often requested. Devs never said Power Customization would never happen. Only that it was unlikely and would require a LOT of time. Devs have said AT respecs will never happen.
To summarize, just because an idea comes up time and time and time and time and time again, doesn't mean it's going to happen, no matter how you many times, or how many different ways you try to dress it up to look like something else.
You know, these kinds of responses make me sad for the community. Seriously, guys - haven't the developers done enough to prove they're not soulless, money-grabbing ******** whose only goal in life is to bog you down in meaningless grinds? Don't they keep saying they don't want to reward practices that ruin the fun?
I'm all for this idea, even if I'm never going to use it for the simple fact that I don't do badges.
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There is one and only one way I would be for the idea of a reroll system like this: If the only badges that transferred were the no-longer-obtainable ones the toon had gotten from past special events.
If they wanted you to be able to keep badges they would have to go the SG beacon route.
All badges tied to accolades would have to be altered to have a for show version and for accolade version. Earning the badge gets you both but rerolling looses the one that gives you accolade credit. They would need to edit the accolade system to show you what badges you are missing (that's a good idea and should be done anyways). Also the SG badge system works by assigning the badge to the group not the person (I think) so they would have to rework it so each hero has a hidden ID that gets reset.
For something that's supposed to be the same as a reroll to do something the Devs have no interest that is a lot to ask.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
You know, these kinds of responses make me sad for the community. Seriously, guys - haven't the developers done enough to prove they're not soulless, money-grabbing ******** whose only goal in life is to bog you down in meaningless grinds? Don't they keep saying they don't want to reward practices that ruin the fun?
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Plus, as I've mentioned elsewhere, it may not *be* something that could be changed if they wanted to. Primary, Secondary, AT and Origin are the four things we're told will not be allowed to change. Given how little origin actually does now - but did wayyyyy back in Alpha - their decision could very well be reinforced by "changing any one of these four basic things would break so much it wouldn't be funny."
One-time-only badges should be account-wide. Nothing else need be done.
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Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
One-time-only badges should be account-wide.
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Ok, we've heard of the whole full respec thing before.
This is a proposal to make it actually work.
What I want is essentially a reroll while keeping badges and souvenirs. In other words it is just like the current option (rerolling) but there is no issue with badges deterring you from doing it, and people who want an AT respec can feel like they can do so, without interfering with the alt incentive.
A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!