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1) End diaspora and share server list with Euro and USA players.
2) Strongly consider merging of Defiant and Union servers in Europe.
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Originally Posted by Zorn
1) End diaspora and share server list with Euro and USA players.
2) Strongly consider merging of Defiant and Union servers in Europe. |
to 2: Big NO. Server merging is bad. (But server list merge is GOOD and ethical as every customer gets access to the same community and the same amount of servers for the same amount of money they pay).
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The only problem with a server list merge I see, is it would only give most of us TWO more servers to play on, not four.
Unless of course you happen to speak fluent German and French, in which case you do get four.
The Europeans would benefit a lot more from it. Which is fine by me.
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I believe the term "Server List Merge" means nothing more than putting all the servers into one list so that Europeans can roll characters on Virtue and the rest of us can roll characters on Union.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
The only problem with a server list merge I see, is it would only give most of us TWO more servers to play on, not four.
Unless of course you happen to speak fluent German and French, in which case you do get four. The Europeans would benefit a lot more from it. Which is fine by me. |
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I don't see that as a problem. I've run across a couple of SG's on the NA servers whose members speak Spanish. My inability to speak more than one language hasn't interfered with their enjoyment of the game and I know it didn't interfere with mine. A simple no habla espanol and we parted on civil terms.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
The only problem with a server list merge I see, is it would only give most of us TWO more servers to play on, not four.
Unless of course you happen to speak fluent German and French, in which case you do get four. The Europeans would benefit a lot more from it. Which is fine by me. |
So if I can peacefully coexist with our South American brethren the I have no reason to fear the occasional angry frog or sauerkraut I might encounter on the French and German servers.
Hell it might even be fun to start new multi-server SG called "Gone to the Americans".
Who am I kidding. That's too funny to not have been done already.
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No, what I mean is: EVERYTHING is in German and French. Contacts, clues, mission dialog, everything. If you don't speak those languages you won't have any idea what the hell is going on in the game. You and I could probably stumble through it because we've been through the game multiple times already. What about a new player that happens to choose Vigilance....and doesn't speak French? They'd be completely lost. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I don't see that as a problem. I've run across a couple of SG's on the NA servers whose members speak Spanish. My inability to speak more than one language hasn't interfered with their enjoyment of the game and I know it didn't interfere with mine. A simple no habla espanol and we parted on civil terms.
So if I can peacefully coexist with our South American brethren the I have no reason to fear the occasional angry frog or sauerkraut I might encounter on the French and German servers. Hell it might even be fun to start new multi-server SG called "Gone to the Americans". Who am I kidding. That's too funny to not have been done already. |
The fact that you can't understand the people playing pales in comparison when you can't understand the game itself.
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PC_guy wants to know: why do people think this is a good idea? |
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
No, what I mean is: EVERYTHING is in German and French. Contacts, clues, mission dialog, everything. If you don't speak those languages you won't have any idea what the hell is going on in the game. You and I could probably stumble through it because we've been through the game multiple times already. What about a new player that happens to choose Vigilance....and doesn't speak French? They'd be completely lost.
The fact that you can't understand the people playing pales in comparison when you can't understand the game itself. |
Though I find it extremely interesting the thought of getting to brush up on my French and German on those servers. I recall before the split stumbling through some German on one of the (now) North American servers.
But even if I never used those servers I still think it is really important to get the EU people some access to the more populated NA servers. They seem to truly be in a bad spot.
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But even if I never used those servers I still think it is really important to get the EU people some access to the more populated NA servers. They seem to truly be in a bad spot. |
All I was saying is that a server list merge would benefit the EU players much more than the NA players. I wasn't begrudging them that at all.
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I agree completely.
All I was saying is that a server list merge would benefit the EU players much more than the NA players. I wasn't begrudging them that at all. |
I hope NC has something already on their schedule for them because if they wait too long EU could be dead by attrition.
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
This is why you should have taken advantage of the free character transfers and such. I got all my toons that I wanted to keep off the dead servers and moved them to where they actually have a realistic chance of being on a team without having to wait 5+ hours. Some folks like dead servers but I dont. Eventually what I see happening is a serverless system they talked about a few years back. This in of it self would fix things so much in this game making TF/SFs happen way more often and it would be healthier for the markets in the long run.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
No, what I mean is: EVERYTHING is in German and French. Contacts, clues, mission dialog, everything. If you don't speak those languages you won't have any idea what the hell is going on in the game. You and I could probably stumble through it because we've been through the game multiple times already. What about a new player that happens to choose Vigilance....and doesn't speak French? They'd be completely lost.
The fact that you can't understand the people playing pales in comparison when you can't understand the game itself. |
Please understand I'm not trying to upset you but let's be honest. How many times have you run across a newer player and realized that they never once took any time to read anything in this game. They speak english and they're on english servers and they don't have a frackin clue about what's going on.
At least on a French server the only people they'd be able to irritate are the French. Now the Germans are an efficient bunch. They'd either ignore them or design something that caused their computers to explode.
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Its not as easy as you make it out to be. There is so much politics involved with it that most of the time I just dont bother. Being the leader is such a headache because of that. For the most part the only teams I will form will be TF/SF teams because then I dont have to worry about filling the slot for that person that just left that said "SG calling" but dont have a SG to begin with.
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Serverless system? The only thing I ever saw the devs say about a serverless system was that if this game were ever to implement one that they wouldn't be refunding any money for server transfers.
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Eventually what I see happening is a serverless system they talked about a few years back.
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Its not as easy as you make it out to be.
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Serverless system? The only thing I ever saw the devs say about a serverless system was that if this game were ever to implement one that they wouldn't be refunding any money for server transfers.
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Weirdly I'm of the opinion that a truly serverless system is rather intimidating and unfriendly and doesn't help in terms of fostering a community spirit.*
I much prefer the concept of server set-ups but allowing people to jump between servers easily. In CoH terms I'd implement it as a Portal Corp portal which transfers you to a parallel reality for a brief time, equal to a play-session or when you come back manually.
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To be fair, starting out they had no where near the server capcity they needed for Aion at launch. Maybe had they done that more people would not have ragequit from the retardedly long queues we had back then. As it is now there isnt a line to do anything in Aion.
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A friend who tried Aion described in hushed tones of horror people piling up, camping to get one particular low-level spawn that was a necessary gateway for other content. The problem got to be so bad that, spontaneously, the players formed a line and waited their turns.
While that's admirably fair-minded, it means you were standing in line to play your game. *Shudder* |
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To be fair, starting out they had no where near the server capcity they needed for Aion at launch. Maybe had they done that more people would not have ragequit from the retardedly long queues we had back then. As it is now there isnt a line to do anything in Aion.
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They speak english and they're on english servers and they don't have a frackin clue about what's going on.
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What about the player who WANTS to read things and learn about the game, but can't because everything is in a foreign language?
If you don't want to read stuff, that's your choice. If you want to but can't, that isn't your fault.
I wasn't suggesting this as a reason not to merge the lists, just pointing out that there will be two servers that are in a different language.
Zukunft is pretty obvious. But Vigilance doesn't indicate that it's in French by the name.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
True, but that's THEIR fault.
What about the player who WANTS to read things and learn about the game, but can't because everything is in a foreign language? If you don't want to read stuff, that's your choice. If you want to but can't, that isn't your fault. I wasn't suggesting this as a reason not to merge the lists, just pointing out that there will be two servers that are in a different language. Zukunft is pretty obvious. But Vigilance doesn't indicate that it's in French by the name. |
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
True, but that's THEIR fault.
What about the player who WANTS to read things and learn about the game, but can't because everything is in a foreign language? If you don't want to read stuff, that's your choice. If you want to but can't, that isn't your fault. I wasn't suggesting this as a reason not to merge the lists, just pointing out that there will be two servers that are in a different language. Zukunft is pretty obvious. But Vigilance doesn't indicate that it's in French by the name. |
I'm assuming that the devs would merge Freedom with Froggyland so 90% of all the obnoxious players would be on the same server.
And merging those two would require a name change so they can give it an appropriately frenchy name like Escargot or something.
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To be fair overall Aion had alot of other issues aside from the bots that caused many to quit. The botting issue is pretty much resolved. I cant think of the last time I seen a bot on live servers, surprisingly they have moved to the Test server, the one place where its just not needed due to the increase kinah gain. CoX has its botting issues but its worse because you hardly see them now since we dont get spammed for filling a team anymore. Essentially our devs gave them a license to print all the inf they want.|
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I'm not sure how big of an impact that was. I *was* playing during that time (and I'm not a current subscriber, but for things that had nothing to do with bots/RMT - waiting for 1.9 and some in-game adjustments.)
It's hard to compare RMT there with RMT here. We don't have anything close to the issue they had, even at our worst. And the methods - well, some got cracked down on here (email, reporting, and how fast the bans come in) and some just don't exist here (Player "stores" with RMT sites as their "sign" in the middle of busy hallways, for instance.) RMT was (IMHO, again having been through the worst of it *here*) move visible and harder to avoid there - but then again, that game, you *need* in-game money to advance. Sure, here you need enhancements, but they drop. You're not held up in getting new levels or powers or finishing missions because you don't have the gold. There, you are. Raise a skill? Pay money. Get a new ability? Pay. Pay for items to finish quests (or pay, after paying to raise, say, your Alchemy skill, to create whatever it is.) And of course, pay for gear, then pay more for new gear, etc, etc, etc. My point in bringing them up, however, were that Aion's servers were *visibly* busy (as in, everyone running around, lag from people gathered around teleport sites and stores, having to wait for groups to finish boss spawns, active PVP, etc) and people were STILL calling for server merges there. (There's the side issue with merges, in that game, that you can only have one "side" of characters on your account. If you had Elyos on Lumiel, you could not make any Asmodeans there without deleting all your Elyos - well, barring buying another account. Which adds another wrinkle of problems to merges - one that we don't have to worry about adding to the list here.) Think I touch on part of that with the "Signal that the game is dying." Last NC server merge I can think of, right offhand, was Auto Assault (IIRC.) If I'm thinking of trying out or coming back to an MMO, and I hear "well, they just shut down/merged 1/3 - half - X number of their servers," my reaction is "Oh, they're in the process of shutting down, then." Also, here, people get very attached to their character names. We have very individual characters. (Most other MMOs I've run across, you end up looking like Fighter #98425, Soldier #0985, Orc#6981209, Mage #98609283 or some such.) Merging would play havoc with those characters and drive *current* players away. Which would also not help the people who insist they can't find a team. |
Aion has open world pvp. That simply doesnt work good if you dont have controls in place to stop ganking that actual work. The pvp issues they have are with the level mods being added in addition to the higher player having more skills, mana/health, better gear, and enchantments. If they took away the level mods players would at least stand a chance to fight back. What they are doing in the 1.9 and 2.0 updates is addressing the ganking but I feel it wont be enough to get folks to come back because they still havent taken away the level mods.
I feel all the crying about server mergers is unjustified, I always see people leveling alts and doing content, where as in CoX many of the servers are dead. If there is a problem in Aion currently its because the way they do grouping. It has a huge xp penalty and there is a big shortage of clerics and templars. I think the shortage is due to everyone else wanting to play other classes. If clerics and/or templars were so required for most of the group stuff in that game people would be able to get quests and such knocked out easier.
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