What can the other secondaries do better than /Shield?
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Yeah, sounds like we AREN'T disagreeing, and merely have different ideas of how much "working as intended" implies. Yes, I'm sure the devs intend that powers and power sets be fun to play, balanced, pretty to look at, and all sort of good things. In that sense, of COURSE that something isn't working as intended is a problem.|
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
I guess I have to ask what your definition of "working as intended" is. It almost sounds like you think it's whatever the heck Castle's whimsy chose upon. When to me, "working as intended" means that it is balanced against the other powers and ATs in the game, which seems to be Castle's intentions from his posts and how most of the game is set up.
Heck, I don't even know if we're really disagreeing, other than defining this concept differently. Because you said Frosticus had valid reasons for supporting the nerf and... those all pretty much stack up to how Shield Charge is not working as intended. To me, anyway. Heh. |
I'm just not assigning any of those characteristics directly to "working as intended". I'm keeping them on a separate list. In which case I guess it means we agree on the meat of the matter, and just disagree on a trivial point of where we pile particular beans as we're counting them.
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Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
Anyway, what to do about Shield Charge hurts my head (which is already dealing with illness). I suppose it's rather sporting of Castle not to change Shield Charge's numbers right away to what they're supposed to be, but maybe he'll find a middle point from those to where they are now after testing? I honestly don't know that there is an overall best solution to this now.
 I guess I'm glad I'm not him, heh. |
Nobody has ever accused me of being particularly sensitive to what my users tell me they WANT, though. I'm a software designer. Part of my JOB is to look much deeper than what users tell me they WANT, and try to figure out what they NEED. Surprisingly often the two are in conflict. If so, I have enough clout that I can often get away with giving them what I think they need instead of what they've asked for. And usually, this works out for the best.
So yeah, if I were Castle, I'd ignore all the ******** and moaning and just work on the facts and what I personally believed was best for the game. I'd swing the nerf bat without hesitation if I thought it would make the game better overall (though keeping in mind that other things being equal, a game with a lot of nerfbat swinging is, overall, worse than one without it), and I'd sleep just fine at night no matter how many forum threads and private messages told me I was a jerk.
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Bosses only generally make like 5% of a mission, though, so... yeah.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Freak
i can tell you this. Aoe has very little impact vs a boss. Its useful against minions and slightly less useful vs Lts. This is from playing the game since I2 with the caveat that i dont fight malta, koa or low level cot and single player.
Sure, 7-8 people throwing a fireball will make a dent in a boss and demolish a spawn , but shouldnt it? that is the value of teamwork. I guarantee that a spawn throwing just basic attacks at one toon will do a number on anything but amrored At's Theres plenty of games out there that DEMAND, not just ask but DEMAND that you take your team against one mobile. This game is the only one ive seen that goes with the idea that 1 player is more or less = to 3 minions. (i played wow and have heard stories, ive seen FF11 played and heard stories, so Cox still is more aoe centric) |
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Saying that SC is 'vastly overpowered' is your opinion, and lucky for you, castle seems to agree with you. However, if it is agreed that SC is 'vastly overpowered' (I don't agree), then that simply adds weight to the complaints that a 'vastly overpowered' power somehow escaped detection by the devs for over a year and a half. |
Originally Posted by TrueMetal
Noone is concerned over the performance of a 'minor subculture' least of all me. That's not even remotely the problem. SC is vastly overpower for everyone.
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| Underplayed powersets because of nerfs? The only one I can think of that even remotly fits that description is Energy Melee, and the problem there is that they changed the feel of the powerset, instead of just the numbers. New players don't notice anything wrong with EM. |
And another set was pointed out numerous times in this thread - fire armor. A good chunk of this thread is made up of posters who want the old burn back (or other various buffs), and seem to have castles ear, despite the fact when FA was nerfed way back when, I'm sure we heard the same arguments about FA being 'vastly overpowered'. If you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it, I guess.
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It's very similar to how the devs reacted to posts that laughed at players who chose powersets other than EM, while ignoring the fact 99% of those posts were NOT in regard to pve and 90 some percent of the game, but were in regard to pvp, where EM was really the only viable melee set in the old version of pvp.
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Originally Posted by Werner
If I were Castle, and did have time to look into this, I'd probably do a quick comparison of Shield Charge as it exists to Shield Charge as I intended to similar powers and any relevant power balancing equations they use. I'd give a quick glance over the other powers in the set to make sure they were all what I intended and were reasonably balanced. Then, assuming my originally-intended version was indeed properly balanced, I'd nerf/bugfix away.
So yeah, if I were Castle, I'd ignore all the ******** and moaning and just work on the facts and what I personally believed was best for the game. I'd swing the nerf bat without hesitation if I thought it would make the game better overall (though keeping in mind that other things being equal, a game with a lot of nerfbat swinging is, overall, worse than one without it), and I'd sleep just fine at night no matter how many forum threads and private messages told me I was a jerk. |
I would agree that it warrants working on sooner rather than later, though. But I guess finding time to test does let Castle show that he got it to where he needs to be... which may feel warranted, after the response in this thread.
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I'll take a stab at this one and why SC bothers me even though I have two Shield toons (dm/shield brute, and bs/shield scrap).
I support the nerf to SC for several reasons. 1. It was never implemented as it was designed by Castle. No idea why that happened, or why it went live like that, but it did. As a result it is considerably better than L-rod in every way which is a no-no because it is a secondary power and L-rod is a primary power. 2. By comparison it makes my Fire armor toons feel inadequate. Yes they are jealous of Shield users, my own included. Teams throw around a lot of defense buffs, which benefit my mildly build shielder more than my FA and because Shield's offense scales better to team buffs (particularly recharge) than fire's offensive powers the disparity becomes larger and larger. 3. My blasters feel invalidated by Shield Charge. The current values of scrapper SC blow every blaster nuke out of the water with the exception of Rain of Arrows. I don't have a single blaster (other than arch) that wouldn't happily trade its t9 for SC. In fact the first time I used SC I said to myself "this is a blaster power" because of the huge radius, higher than any other scrapper power target cap and spammability of the power. 4. I think they are trivializing team content too much. It is sort of "oh watch the shielder decimate entire spawns while we follow and pocket buff him". It detracts from the "fun" and contribution that other toons are there to make. An arch blaster can do similar but at least they usually need heavy support, a shielder with even a little bit of buffing gains "enough" survivability to basically become a tankmage. Additionally, while an arch blaster can wipe entire spawns it is much more subtle, SC is front and center and kabooms the entire screen. Like many things in this game the tangibility of the power plays are large part in how it is perceived. 5. My position on the timing of this nerf and the progression of mistakes that have put us in this situation have been documented in previous posts. Suffice to say, it isn't positive. In fact, I think it should be hotfixed down to the original 133 damage value immediately. At which point if Castle frees up some spare time many months down the road like he said he can rework the power to how it is "intended" to be. That way the reworking won't be nearly as harsh and the current issue of it being ridiculously OP'd is placated. |
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"By comparison it makes my Fire armor toons feel inadequate. Yes they are jealous of Shield users, my own included."
We've all agreed that FA is underperforming and needs a buff after being over-nerfed way back when. Buffing FA is better solution to your problem than busting down SD users.
And what you're experiencing is the vastly imbalanced single target ability vs aoe ability in this game. You can ERASE SD and those imbalances will still be here. I'm sure you've teamed with fire/kins and mm's before. I remember feeling the way you do back when a buddy of mine put together a spine/da and wiped out entire spawns while I struggled to get a kill or two on my scrapper that was mostly single target.
If you're mostly single target, you're just not as valuable on a team as and aoe centric toon. The solution is very simple - build an aoe centric toon, and you have a LOT of choices in at's and combos outside of SD.
"Additionally, while an arch blaster can wipe entire spawns it is much more subtle, SC is front and center and kabooms the entire screen. Like many things in this game the tangibility of the power plays are large part in how it is perceived."
Did you just call for a nerf to how it looks too, lol?
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Originally Posted by Cyber_naut
Saying that SC is 'vastly overpowered' is your opinion, and lucky for you, castle seems to agree with you. However, if it is agreed that SC is 'vastly overpowered' (I don't agree), then that simply adds weight to the complaints that a 'vastly overpowered' power somehow escaped detection by the devs for over a year and a half.
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Secondly, the Devs have stated on numerous occassions (and it only makes sense if you think about it) that they do not have the time to look at EVERY single power every time the game is updated. SC fell through the cracks, it seems. And, it seems to me, that Castle trusted someone else to do something to the power that ended up not being what he expected that person to do. All in all, it looks to be a case of "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" combined with a "while the cat's away the mice will play" sorta scenario here. AKA, SC didn't squeak and the cat wasn't looking when the mouse made his changes. Afterall, who would squeek about a power that is that awesome? (Aside from Arcanaville and others who actually look for that type of thing.)
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Originally Posted by TrueMetal
Yes, you're absolutely right. A mistake like this is "unacceptable", that it took them this long to notice it, despite numerous player comments over time, even more so. And it should get fixed asap, because leaving it in the game for another 6 months will only add insult to injury. My best guess as to why it isn't going to be fixed is that there simply isn't going to be any time to make the change, get it into a patch and on test before the test servers get occupied by the GR beta.
What I wanted to do with my post was to react against all those posters in this nerdrage fuelled threadnaught who seem to throw overboard every last bit of common sense they had and start insulting the devs, call everyone who dissagree with them a 'devpet/fanboy' and then start decrying 'the end of the game' (tm) because of all the nerfage being thrown around. And they do it every single time something like this happens. Just gets on my nerves's all. I'm actually pleasantly surprised to get some decent replies like yours and Werners. I was expecting to log in today and find my rep well in the red with some amusing comments for me to read.  |
I'm very confident the reason you state for the delay is accurate. The problem it is going to create though is that the fallout of when the power is reworked is going to be massive. Probably one of the bigger blowouts we've seen since the AE exploits. Anyone that isn't aware of this thread is going to be hit by a Mack Truck of change and it is going to happen far enough down the road that everyone will have settled in to how the set operates.
There is a fix that can go in immediately (or close to it) and that is to revert it back to how it used to be for everyone (the value brutes still adhere to). We know that the reworked version is likely going to be at about that power level or a bit less. Hit it now while the power is still "young" and then hit it much more softly with a mechanical reworking later down the road to closer follow the vision Castle has for it. Honestly that's the only way I can readily think of that will diffuse most of this bomb. It is still going to explode, that is inevitable, but the difference could be a hand grenade vs a snuke in the snizz (if you watch southpark you'll know how deadly that could be lol).
Anyway, the drama is going to be epic if he sits on this for many months. Maybe he doesn't care as he feels that drama is going to happen either way, may as well just deal with it all at once much later down the road. Who knows.
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We are an elitist group that will accept anyone? Please explain.
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I've already said this at least five or six times and it seems to be to the agreement of most poster that FA is due for some buffs and SC is due for a reduction. Strapping a nuke onto the back of FA to bring it up to the level Shield is operating at just creates two sets that are strongly overperforming.|
Originally Posted by Cyber_naut
You said:
"By comparison it makes my Fire armor toons feel inadequate. Yes they are jealous of Shield users, my own included." We've all agreed that FA is underperforming and needs a buff after being over-nerfed way back when. Buffing FA is better solution to your problem than busting down SD users. |
I've even listed my suggestions for fixing FA in this very thread as have many others. I'm not sure if you are deliberately ignoring things already discussed for the purpose of building a baseless argument, or if you have genuinely forgotten what has already transpired.
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| And what you're experiencing is the vastly imbalanced single target ability vs aoe ability in this game. You can ERASE SD and those imbalances will still be here. I'm sure you've teamed with fire/kins and mm's before. I remember feeling the way you do back when a buddy of mine put together a spine/da and wiped out entire spawns while I struggled to get a kill or two on my scrapper that was mostly single target. |
SC has a very rapid cast time and applies the damage instantaneously. None of the combos you just cited as supporting evidence can do anything like that.
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"Additionally, while an arch blaster can wipe entire spawns it is much more subtle, SC is front and center and kabooms the entire screen. Like many things in this game the tangibility of the power plays are large part in how it is perceived." Did you just call for a nerf to how it looks too, lol? |
Rain of Arrows is not a headline stealer and it actually takes well over 4 seconds to cast with damage execution closer to 6 seconds.It is also subject to issues such as mobs running out of the aoe before the damage is applied and drawing agro while locked in to a very long animation. While the damage from SC is hitting the spawn at about 2.5 seconds. That is a big difference. The difference means that everyone can get a few attacks off before RoA hits. The result may be massive overkill, but everyone has a chance to participate and contribute. At the end of the day everyone is paying to play the game, not watch, but actually participate.
SC on the other hand is one of the faster cast times in the game attached to an AT that fears very little so doesn't need to hesitate to pull the trigger. It is resolved so fast that the spawn can actually be dead before the fireball that a ranged toon cast reaches them. Again big difference.
*What's really sad is that the best analog to SC, a power found in a defensive set, is a blaster tier 9. If that isn't a clear and decisive indication that something is amiss then I'm afraid nothing will.
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Why do you allow yourself and your developer team to let these mistakes "get by" in the first place?
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Wait... Is it that you've been fired from a job for every single mistake you've ever made in your life, and you're bitter about it? How many jobs does that make for you? Thousands?
Or have you never made a single mistake in your life?
I realize I've been just as guilty about posting when I thought devs (or more accurately the marketing team) had "failed beyond all reason," but damn...give 'em a little breathing room, man.
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Hey I know it isnt a scrapper secondary but while we are looking at fiery aura could we look at energy aura?
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Originally Posted by Hazygreys
Hey I know it isnt a scrapper secondary but while we are looking at fiery aura could we look at energy aura?
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Its been a long time since i have found a toon that i LOVE to play... a long time! I have found that toon i love in my SD/Fire tank... I am enjoying the game again and running ALOT of content i havent in a while... the only real thing that has kept me here is the fact i cant find another game that 'jives' well with me.
I have two up coming ones i am gonna try DCUO and SWToR...
AE has been nerfed to hell.... PvP has been destroyed.... XP for Freaks 'fixed'... same for Family... its late, im tired... i am sure there are more examples of fairly recent nerfs...
to me it seems there is alot of resources being used to try to contain AE... So many lil bugs in this game that should have been addressed long ago have lingered... gone away and popped back up... lets address those things first...
Nerfs piss people off... we have enough pissed off people here right now... well some here and others that did indeed move on..
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Several posts in this thread have already explained why Shield is the best scrapper secondary (PvE) and it isn't because of shield charge. It's because of Against All Odds the damage boost to our entire primary CONTINUOUSLY is too big an advantage for any other secondary to overcome. People also get too hung up on being able to cap the defenses. Yes you can but that is late game and with a huge investment of IO's it is fairly squishy the majority of the game.
I can see why Shield Charge does stir up so much animosity it is effectively a Blaster Nuke on a faster recharge than all the blaster's tier9s (except RoA and FA) which is somewhat silly. Shield charge is a novel power which makes the set feel different. So I would go one of two ways with its readjustment:
1) Increase the recharge dramatically to match blaster nukes (Boring but easy fix).
2) Cut the damage dramatically (1/10th current levels) and REDUCE recharge to 1min.
I like option 2 as it keeps the novelty of the power, the fun animation and provides player controlled mitigation in the secondary.
Maybe this has been 29 pages of extremely clever disinformation to keep the Devs from looking at AAO, but I doubt it. Shield Charge is not the problem inbalancing the armor secondaries but it is unbalanced compared to comparable powers across all the archtypes.
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Originally Posted by AshWind
Maybe this has been 29 pages of extremely clever disinformation to keep the Devs from looking at AAO, but I doubt it. Shield Charge is not the problem inbalancing the armor secondaries but it is unbalanced compared to comparable powers across all the archtypes.
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Taking a look it appears to be the second largest perma damage buff available in the game behind fulcrum shift on just SO's. Under high recharge things like soul drain and double rage surpass it. At any rate it is right up there in the top handful of what is available to us.
As for SC it is imbalancing the set, Castle has already supplied the numbers on it and earlier in the thread I supplied numbers on it vs some common comparables like blazing aura+burn. It is currently a lot better than anything else.
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Originally Posted by AshWind
Several posts in this thread have already explained why Shield is the best scrapper secondary (PvE) and it isn't because of shield charge. It's because of Against All Odds the damage boost to our entire primary CONTINUOUSLY is too big an advantage for any other secondary to overcome. People also get too hung up on being able to cap the defenses. Yes you can but that is late game and with a huge investment of IO's it is fairly squishy the majority of the game.
I can see why Shield Charge does stir up so much animosity it is effectively a Blaster Nuke on a faster recharge than all the blaster's tier9s (except RoA and FA) which is somewhat silly. Shield charge is a novel power which makes the set feel different. So I would go one of two ways with its readjustment: 1) Increase the recharge dramatically to match blaster nukes (Boring but easy fix). 2) Cut the damage dramatically (1/10th current levels) and REDUCE recharge to 1min. I like option 2 as it keeps the novelty of the power, the fun animation and provides player controlled mitigation in the secondary. Maybe this has been 29 pages of extremely clever disinformation to keep the Devs from looking at AAO, but I doubt it. Shield Charge is not the problem inbalancing the armor secondaries but it is unbalanced compared to comparable powers across all the archtypes. |
AAO gives about a 1/3 boost to total damage and to get that bonus you have to be surrounded by 10 enemies. I guess you could argue that its to powerful because its a no brainer pick if you want to solo a pylon and for any other situation where you can drag n gray con minions to your target otherwise it just isn't that big a thing.
Edit: And to the cross AT balance concept it just isnt there. You can hardly complain about power sets becoming fotm when entire ATs are in the dustbin. If dual pistols remained insanely popular because of the animations would it need to be nerfed ? (Note the exact opposite is happening its getting buffed and still looks like its popularity is in decline)
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I have every secondary scrapper there is except shield...I've tried making several shields and have not completed any of them but what i do know is I love to play my
Spines/WP
Fire/SR
Katana/Regen
MA/Invuln....first toon I made 6 yrs ago
Spines/Fire
Fire/Fire...a beast till they put in fear from fire now all they do is run from me and i dont have burn
Spines/Dark...this is the only one i dont play anymore
So my answer is Play what you enjoy playing 
Damn I just got my /SD IO'd out. At least give me the ability to put all those IO's on another toon or something like that before I put it on the shelf after the nerf.
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So it's not as good as Fulcrum Shift, only affects you, and is in a primary damage dealers AT (though in it's secondary). And yet, after all these years, even old SOed Fulcrum Shift in Support/Control AT is still working as intended... AAO also has the added bonus of a taunt aura for the pre-high defenses death sentence. Yes, AAO is awesome on an expensive, level 50, defense capped character, I just don't think that is the balance standard this game was all about. But maybe I'm wrong with every build posted on the forums now running 10+ billion inf...
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Originally Posted by Frosticus
Castle has already commented specifically on AAO. He doesn't feel an 81.3% persistent damage buff is "very large".
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Originally Posted by AshWind
2) Cut the damage dramatically (1/10th current levels) and REDUCE recharge to 1min.
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Uh, no.
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I don't think I've spent even 1 billion on any of my toons. Even my fully IOed out widow probably wasn't that much. Other than her, I have an IOed out Elec/Invuln Brute who was pretty cheap, and two Shield toons who do fine without even needing to be soft-capped (they each have around 30% DEF), who I didn't spend much on. I guess I also have IO scraps on my Necro/Dark MM, but I'd be surprised if I even spent 100m on her.|
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But maybe I'm wrong with every build posted on the forums now running 10+ billion inf...
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The rest of my 26 toons just use standard IOs with a random IO scrap here or there.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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"Not balanced against similar powers" is the relevant fact here, even if the two may go hand in hand in this case, as Castle almost certainly intended that Shield Charge be balanced against similar powers based on his reaction. Balance, in general, is to be sought after, as it promotes diversity and decreases power envy. Diversity is good. Avoiding as much power envy as is practical is good, except to the extent that it makes people want to level up new characters ("Hey! That looks FUN!).
See Frosticus for some other valid reasons for supporting a nerf. I still say "oops" is not a valid reason.
Heck, I don't even know if we're really disagreeing, other than defining this concept differently. Because you said Frosticus had valid reasons for supporting the nerf and... those all pretty much stack up to how Shield Charge is not working as intended. To me, anyway. Heh.
Anyway, what to do about Shield Charge hurts my head (which is already dealing with illness). I suppose it's rather sporting of Castle not to change Shield Charge's numbers right away to what they're supposed to be, but maybe he'll find a middle point from those to where they are now after testing? I honestly don't know that there is an overall best solution to this now.
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