Calling All 60 Month Vets

The only sense of entitlement being displayed is by the people that are demanding things they didn't earn.


Me personally no, but yes the reason this game is a continued success is the fact that it has so many loyal veteran players. All MMO's are successful because of their loyal veteran players.

I'm merely asking for the chance to potentially earn all rewards someday, after having put in as much time as those currently enjoy those rewards now do. So long as the count of "all rewards" continues to increment at the same pace as the count of "my rewards", this can never happen.

That's not entitlement. That's being asked to have a fair shake at equality.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!

Eight and a quarter years? Nah. 96 months would be better. 8 years even, or the 10 year mark for a nice round anniversary. End it all with a special reward.

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Extra costume slot with a unique non-customizable 10 yr vet costume.

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As do yours. Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, this is pot.

So you don't believe that any benefits that are granted for loyalty are fair... or just (since the word fair is defined using the word just and the word just is defined using the word fair, I think it is both just and fair to say they are synonymous in the objective sense)? Seniority shouldn't count for anything?

And do explain how veteran rewards "grossly disadvantage" new customers. I can't wait to hear this. Keep in mind that the word "grossly" means "flagrant and extreme" based on your usage.

I believe that NCSoft defines the requirements and qualifications of the veteran rewards program very clearly, and they apply them to those who meet those requirements and qualifications. This makes them both fair and just, as there is no prejudice involved in the application of those rewards.

And you may want to be careful what you ask for. If they were to discontinue the veteran rewards program, they may simply stop giving out the rewards all together. That would mean that you would still not attain what you want - having all of extra things earned by people who played the game longer than you have. You would simply be stuck with what you had when the program was halted. I would still have more than you have.

And the difference between the loyalty of a 3 year vet and a 6 year vet is ... well, the 6 year vet has been playing TWICE as long as the 3 year vet. If you were talking 23 years and 26 years, you might have something with the argument that the loyalty proven by both is very similar. I am just not feeling your pain here.

Oh ... one more thing. At this juncture, 60-72 month vets really ARE the reason the game exists... since CoX is just now celebrating it's 6th anniversary, that means that during its infancy, these people paid to play an unproven and, I would imagine, ofttimes rocky and bug-filled game (I've played new games ... no matter how much you test them there are always bugs that come up after release). Without them, the game would have foundered and died through lack of revenue, and not been there for you to play 3 years later. Truth.

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Please show your numbers. How many people refused to play the game because they saw vet rewards? How many people refused to go from trial to full? How many people quit within the first year because of vet rewards?

You don't have those numbers?

Then don't go off spouting that it "grossly disadvantages and, in turn, DISCOURAGES" new customers. Yes, we know your opinion on the 60 month reward, which you seem to think is like giving everyone instant 50s, fully purpled out with three extra power pools not available to anyone else. You're wrong, it's not that big a deal.

The sense of entitlement displayed by you is even more incredible.

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I picked 99 because it's divisible by 3 and the last number before going into triple digits. (It would also be kind of neat if they stopped at 100 months, but I don't want to ask them to redo the reward scheduling code again. )

Also, your "old fart" suggestions made me laugh.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!

I can see why you chose 99, but if they ever do decide to end it I'd prefer they do it on an anniversary number like 7 years, 8 years, 10 years than stop in the middle of a yearly cycle.

End it with a bang. Make a big deal out of the last one. Have fun with it.

I have to say, this is one of the more petty arguments I've ever heard. "I can't 'catch up'!" So what? Why should you be able to? It's time based. Sorry you feel like you "deserve" to catch up, but you don't and you can't. What's "fair" is that everyone follow the same "rules".

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No, it's you asking that the rules be changed so it will favor you. That's entitlement. Plenty of people with more time in that me, too. So what? I'll take the freebies they give me when they give them to me. If people are going to be "discouraged" by the very existence of the Vet Rewards, instead of looking forward to when they get them, that just smacks of immaturity to me.

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It is less of a big deal than I generally present it, and more of a big deal than you generally present it. I'm sure the INTENTION of City Traveller was simply to make getting around the city a little less onerous for veterans by allowing them to have full travel speed at an earlier level. The side-effect of potentially unlocking a power choice was likely unintended. But it's still a side-effect that exists, and that should be acknowledged.

The permanent temp powers also add a considerable change to low-level (and potentially even high-level) game play by rounding out attack chains and allowing some by-pass of built-in limitations, such as the Rage damage crash. While it's easily argued that the unenhancable temp powers are hardly overpowered, they can still be quite game changing.

As far as entitlement goes, I would say the sense of entitlement to eternal unending further rewards for actions taken six years ago is no less than the sense of entitlement to eventually earn all possible rewards.

The difference being that, according the rules set up from day one of the program, they ARE entitled. You want it changed because you are not entitled and wish to be. A sense of entitlement is far different than actually being entitled.

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Considering this is the best vet reward there is, what would be an equally good vet reward? I dunno, 35 bucks? A free hat irl? 24 cans of diet mountain dew? A puppy?

If the devs did this it would be a huge slap in the jaw to anyone under 60 months.

The only FAIR way to make it paid is to take it away from everyone who has it and give them something else, but people don't want fair they want awesome. Fair does not mean equal.

To continue with your atrocious example: you will never catch up with your older sibling and be the same age, will you?
Entirely fair.


In fact, it does not disadvantage anyone and actually encourages new customers.

See what I did there? I can write whatever I want and state that it is fact, just like you did.

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Speaking as an older sibling, this has always struck as exceedingly "UNFAIR" to the older sibling. Yes, that's what happened in my family, my younger siblings got "privileges" at earlier and earlier ages as we went down the line (to the point that the 2 youngest had almost no curfew at all). I hated it then, and I would hate it now. Defnitely unfair to the older sibling, as it would be to the vet in your requests.

But maybe your example would be a better way to look at Vet Rewards. I have privileges (City Traveller, for example) because I'm older than you, much like I was able to stay out later than my next younger sister because I was older than she was. She will never "catch up" - I will always be her older sister, reaching time-based milestones first (able to drink, getting my driver's license, getting the benefits of joining AARP, etc.)

I'm an older sibling too. How is that relevant?

Your analogy, not mine.

Not mine. I was replying to someone else.

Actually you are a little late. This should have been done much sooner.

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It doesn't matter if you were replying to another poster. You said it. You put your own spin on it in an effort to make it fit your point of view. Therefore it is your analogy. Just because it blew up in your face doesn't mean you can pretend it wasn't your argument.

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