Thoughts on resurrecting enemies being untargetable
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Angryellow,
Posted on: 2010-04-13 14:02 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Heh
Sounds like the nerf is working then! This is a good thing.
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w/e hardly play damage toons than dont have pbaoes anymore.
You can still have an attack on auto (targeting on the corpse), so as soon as the enemy resurrects, you'll hit with that attack. You probably can't continue attacking immediately (unless you pulled off a Total Focus or something), but it saves time.
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If the Freakshow are firing off attacks while being untargetable, then that's bugged in the opposite direction (i.e., risk with no possibility of reward) and should be reported. When the rez completes and a mob is able to activate a power, whether it's defensive, like the hordelings, or offensive, like the Freakshow, they should immediately become vulnerable to attack.
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Originally Posted by Frosticus
They also don't seem to attack before they are targetable (iirc), they spend the rezzing time casting their ice armor. Compared to a freak tank rezzing and trying to two shot you before he becomes targetable. Despite it being the same mechanic I think hordlings are working well, but other rezzing npc's not so much.
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That basically kills my strategy for fighting Freakshow. My bread and butter was keeping a downed Freakshow targeted so I could nail him the very millisecond he resurrected. Not the end of the world and certainly not a deal breaker, but come on man. Most pointless, unnecessary tweak in quite some time.
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Originally Posted by Angryellow
That basically kills my strategy for fighting Freakshow. My bread and butter was keeping a downed Freakshow targeted so I could nail him the very millisecond he resurrected. Not the end of the world and certainly not a deal breaker, but come on man. Most pointless, unnecessary tweak in quite some time.
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Luckily my pets keep a lock on them so it hasn't affected me much.
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Doesn't bother me.
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This.
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
Heh
Sounds like the nerf is working then! This is a good thing. |
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Please don't give the devs anymore ideas on what to nerf for future updates.|
Originally Posted by Frosticus
MM's exploit this "no target" issue in both aggressive and defensive mode. Aggressive because pets can still target things and defensive because these npc's aren't bound to the same no targeting rules as we are so they will attack you immediately.
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K, thanks. bye! d;D
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Pets being effected by untargetable rules like players would be a fix not a nerf.
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
Please don't give the devs anymore ideas on what to nerf for future updates.
K, thanks. bye! d;D |
What is even cooler, is that now, resurected enemies can hit you before you can target them, which is lots of fun if you were almost dead when you had them the first time.
I wonder if my Fire tank can still get killed during the RoTP animation.
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It's not a gamebreaker, but it is minorly stupid and annoying. I'm one of the few that thought little of Freakshow to begin with, and this is just another thing I don't like. It's just a few seconds of standing around, but it's the very idea that grates.
I just have to laugh at how it hasn't really hurt farmers at all. Heck of a fix there.
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Pets never targeted dead targets so technicly they have always been affected by this untargetable rule. |
Originally Posted by LISAR
Pets being effected by untargetable rules like players would be a fix not a nerf.
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Placing pets in aggressive mode causes pets to target alive targets. so once the player or NPC is capable of being targeted (if pets are set to aggressive) the pets will attack.
Unless this is "fixed" (which I doubt it will be.) Farmers will still be able to afk farm PvP IOs with MM pets. There are a few other ways around this "fix" that I can think of for afk farmers.
as Mac has stated and other semi-intelligent forumites have stated; these "nerfs" or "fixes" whatever you call them; do little to deter or punish exploiters and farmers because exploiters and farmers tend to be intelligent.
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Oh, so that's what this was targeting. I was quite befuddled.|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
afk farm PvP IOs
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It's not much of a fix, in any case. Damage auras, PBAoEs, and all sorts of pets are unaffected. But even if they weren't, I'd say that AFK farming of PVP IOs is more symptomatic of larger issues than a problem in itself. Not that that's a particular revelation.
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
Pets never targeted dead targets so technicly they have always been affected by this untargetable rule.
Placing pets in aggressive mode causes pets to target alive targets. so once the player or NPC is capable of being targeted (if pets are set to aggressive) the pets will attack. Unless this is "fixed" (which I doubt it will be.) Farmers will still be able to afk farm PvP IOs with MM pets. There are a few other ways around this "fix" that I can think of for afk farmers. as Mac has stated and other semi-intelligent forumites have stated; these "nerfs" or "fixes" whatever you call them; do little to deter or punish exploiters and farmers because exploiters and farmers tend to be intelligent. |
I suppose an "easier" fix then tweaking NPC target rules would to make rez powers give 100% resistance and stun for the length of the animation. Then resurrected beings (NPC and PC) would be virtually immune to early damage and not able to get free shots off.
As for PvP farming...that's virtually unfixable without having greater repercussions on legit PvP earnings. I suppose they could make rezed players not count towards rewards for a tiny amount of time but then the AFK farmers would just need to adjust there effectiveness to make sure they don't kill the auto rezing target too fast. They could also make self rez power unable to be set for autocast...
So when do enemies get fixed so they can't target you while you rez? Because if we can't hit Freaks when they rez, why can they target a player when he pops an Awaken - or during said player's stun following the awaken? Fair is fair.
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Originally Posted by srmalloy
If the Freakshow are firing off attacks while being untargetable, then that's bugged in the opposite direction (i.e., risk with no possibility of reward) and should be reported. When the rez completes and a mob is able to activate a power, whether it's defensive, like the hordelings, or offensive, like the Freakshow, they should immediately become vulnerable to attack.
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Well I'm not 100% sure that foes can actually get a few shots off before you can target them, but I did notice that either my reaction time isn't as good as it used to be OR there is something wonky with the re-targeting mechanism... because I could swear a Freak Tank smacked me at least once before I could even get a lock on him.
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Originally Posted by Demonic_Gerbil
So when do enemies get fixed so they can't target you while you rez? Because if we can't hit Freaks when they rez, why can they target a player when he pops an Awaken - or during said player's stun following the awaken? Fair is fair.
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Yeah, I was kind of wondering the same thing when I first noticed this new "fix" as well. I'd say that's definitely way more risk than there should be and completely unfair to the player. GO DEVS!!!
The stun will always leave you vulnerable but we should be immune to damage while the animation plays as well.
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Originally Posted by macskull
Ironically, as almost every farm build has pets, PBAoEs, or damage auras of some sort, this "fix" affects them far less than normal builds which lack these powers.
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By the way, have I mentioned how much I like your new avatar, mac?
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
A more appropriate fix would be to make them invulnerable but still targetable during the resurrection animation.
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Re-targeting is a PITA.
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
Please don't give the devs anymore ideas on what to nerf for future updates.
K, thanks. bye! d;D |
thx bai!
Last night was my first opportunity to experience this change first hand on a team of 8 versus Freakshow. Here are my thoughts...
Hardly noticeable.
All the grief in this thread makes me smile. Human Grief tastes like happy sugar, hmnyes.
Really, it doesn't bug me *shrug*