Discussion: Live Patch Notes - 4/7/10

Maybe. No official word yet, unless someone has read something I haven't.

There is no way the actual level cap will be raised. Far too many people have far too much invested in their sets of level 50 purples and HO's to allow them to turn red. But *IF* GR includes "higher levels" it will be to give us more slots to use while we all remain at 50. (I would LOVE this, of course. No matter how I build Zube, he is always desperately short three or four slots.)

That would/could work for things like +DEF, -DEF, +RES, -RES, +DMG, -DMG, +ToHit, -ToHit... what about things like -recharge, -speed, or mezzes? You could easily make a Mind/Plant pet that spams confuses and holds while doing no damage. Or knockdowns through Ice Slick. Or an arch-villain that just stands around with Choking Cloud or Oppressive Gloom on.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

I decided to color code your post instead of trying to respond to each falsehood, lie, error, mistake or irrelevant rambling individually. Here's a handy legend:

Red text = Lies.
Orange text = Things you know nothing about.
Blue text = Irrelevant for the discussion in this thread.
White text = More or less blatant insults.
Green text = Actual true statement.

And they will say, never has one used so much, to say that which meant so little to so few.

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Thank you FredrikSvanberg. Nice to see someone else was annoyed with that . . . person. Got to wonder if he figured in the huge economic decline in 2009 to the loss of earnings in MMO's. Something tells me he didn't.

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Kinda funny, I looked back at this post and noticed some REALLY bad Neg Rep Points had been slammed onto it. Again I have to wonder why? Not like my point? Or just flaming me for disagreeing with you? Something tells me the later.

Aas has been pointed out, players who were exploiting are the ones who tend to drag in the term "farming" rather than using the much more accurate term "exploiting" which can muddy up the issue. Whether they are clueless about it, in denial or doing so on purpose is up in the air.

This should be used across the forum. Perhaps add in a few positive colors such as "Black - I agree with this part", "Pink - That was pretty funny", etc. and we could all use "The FredrikSvanberg Code".

I've /bugged this yesterday, Freakshow is abusing this feature. If they died on a ledge or halfway in a wall, they wont play the animation and (if u are melee) hit you before you can even hit them.

I've already been killed twice by a freakshow boss, who rezzed and instantly wacked me.

My guess is, to get feedback. Test server was already occupied or it probably would have been there first. But since they're releasing an issue relatively soon anyway, they might as well toss this out now and see if it works or explodes. That way any new changes can be neatly rolled into I17.

As for the fix, I'd suggest adding a secondary xp-reduction effect to ALL ally-activated support powers (heal, buff, debuff, mez and toggle) in MA. After all, it's not the number of allies you have that's causing the unbalance, it's the number of powers they're using to help you. Since attack powers already cause a 'kill-sharing' style of xp-reduction, they can probably be left as is. The effect would apply either to every player in a certain AoE range or every player in the mission, and would last for the duration of the power that activated it (or a few seconds in the case of instant powers). These effects stack, so the more powers your allies are bringing to bear, the less risk you're facing and thus the less reward you receive for it.

The game already uses somewhat similar effects, such as Gauntlet adding a Taunt to all Tanker attacks, and Defiance stacking damage bonuses for Blasters. You can throw it like a blanket across every MA critter, custom and canon alike, since the only characters earning xp are players anyway.

If "We" res, or use a wakie in the middle of a mob, they sure as heck can select us and start beating. we cant fight back, because that "stunned" doesn't stop them. This seems a bit heavy handed and really needs another look.

do you ever smile?

Are you kidding? Have you really looked at the face on that Avatar? If FredrikSvanberg smiled something might break!

So i assume they changed this against the self-rezzing mobs in AE? Why just not remove the power from AE itself? Less impact then this 'fix'. (im running in Bricks atm, i see Freaks a bit too often atm).

They will figure something out. Guess we will just have to be patient.

The vision needs to be an inclusive one. You may not leave but lots of other people have been.

That was my point, the impact on regular farmers is minimal. The impact on mission creators is large. The developers protestations that the fix will be here soon, is falling on deaf ears. There are very easy fixes that could have been deployed instead of this, or they could simply have waited till soon, and just deployed what they considered the good fix.

Saying that you should have soloed so you could have seen what things were is the opposite of implying soloing. Strange farm teams you played on btw. If you are going to have nothing but blasters and scrappers you might as well solo, its more efficient.


In what way are you using the word worse ?

It's also exceedingly frustrating on Freakshow. When that big tanker gets up you have to wait for him to finish getting up, and he gets to smack you before you can even target him.

Meanwhile, rezzed PCs get whooped on mercilessly. :P Well, depending upon which rez you're using, of course.

Don;t get me wrong, I'm all for stomping on exploits. This is just a little unintended side-effect.

The colorization says much about the man wielding the crayons.

debt nerf, modified XP curve, -1/x8, supersideckick(so you can just sit at the door) and too shiny purples at 50 heavily encouraging PL.....then enter the frayed fantasy-mmo time-$inking endgame model of forever grindfarming boredom to eventually get some purple$ and ultra-rare $tuff

is this their #1 mantra "risk vs reward"? no, this is purely "FARM vs reward", with no exploits allowed of course

Hmm. That does sound bad. However, I think the PCs are still having the rez bug where using certain rez/wakie/power combinations skips the rez animation entirely (toon on floor - rez - toon pops up instantly without "standing up"). Might be related to that since I don't think critter rez results in stunned status.

Come to think of it, this isn't so much of a change. CoT Hordelings did this already with their rez, they would be untargetable as well during their rez. Sounds like it's just an expansion on that idea. Still, if they are attacking before their rez animation is completed (or its coded time to animate is complete), then that sounds like a bug.

From the missions i ran yesterday in a team, the 'not targetable' time is way longer then the rez-animation actualy is (Kzzzzt he stands up, goes combat stance, turns to you, if ranged he already starts an attack.. THEN he is targetable).

So those bosses when i was solo stood up, i was clicking/tabbing like a madman, whoomp, and there goes over 500HP of my health.

Teamfarming can be done pretty much with any setup, a tank, a healer and a trashload of DPS. Solo not every set or AT is as efficient, some also require some serious IO slotting before jumping into a group of 14 +2's (or higher). Worse, if you dont have such character, or in my case, they are on the EU side while im at the US servers.

Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus This entire post should receive some kind of award for being both hysterical and fantastic. Well done.

You've been able to use standard mobs like Council, Hellions, Malta, Arachnos, or Tsoo (and all the others) with full rewards in AE since day one. No change or nerf to the AE has impacted that and made legitimate leveling in AE harder to people who are playing by the rules and creating missions that are on-par with regular content.

There were two things that happened that impacted regular spawn exp a little. One was changing Freakshow exp which impacted AE and non-AE alike -- Freaks have always given a disproportionate amount of exp for their ease. The other was reducing the exp of Com Officers, since they have always been minions that give lieutenant exp.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.