New GR Info Up. Calvin Scott and Ghouls
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Posted on: 2010-03-18 11:41 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Judging by the shackles, they were prisoners. I'm willing to bet they were prisoners of the Praetorians, possibly a last ditch effort to get to the Resistance, well.. Last ditch untill whatever plan shall be enacted with Going Rogue. Perhaps one of the Praetorians mucking about with the Banished Pantheon?
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looks like banished pantheon to me...
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Same. Like something went wrong with the Shaman's rituals.
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Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
looks like banished pantheon to me...
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Or some one enslaved the BP and did something to them, then they escaped or were let loose.
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Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
Same. Like something went wrong with the Shaman's rituals.
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Aside from the zombie connection, I don't see why they would relate to the BP. My first thought was of all the supers that go missing... possibly to end up in shackles and the subject of someone's experimentation.
Ghouls - If you question Tyrant and have no worth to him, you become a Ghoul. I'd not be surprised if non-supers (who end up as Praetorian Clockwork or in the PPD depending on their loyalty) get tortured, brain-wiped, then dumped into the Dim where they can at least be of some use to the Emporer in harassing Calvin Scott's Resistance.
That's my view.
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Hmm, so the Ghouls are chained and they seem to be agents of pure mindless chaos...
The Praetorian clockwork are willing slaves that seem to be quite intelligent but are agents of unrelenting order...
Maybe the Ghouls are people who've had their higher souls, their super-egos, ripped out of them and placed into the clockwork. In order to have an ego, a person must also have both an id and super-ego. The desire to be individual and the reasoning capacity to be rational. If you remove the super-ego you have a perfect being of reason and order without any ambition or emotion, and if you can find a way to put it in a mechanical body you have the perfect slave. The Ghouls seem like they're all pure id, but apparently are flesh and bone, so maybe there's some reason they can't be destroyed by the Emporer without ending his precious clockwork...
I'm probably completely wrong, but I think this would be a nice interesting twist on them.
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They dont look new. They look exactly like banished pantheons. BP+Zombie invasion = Ghouls.
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Originally Posted by ketch
Aside from the zombie connection, I don't see why they would relate to the BP. My first thought was of all the supers that go missing... possibly to end up in shackles and the subject of someone's experimentation.
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Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
They dont look new. They look exactly like banished pantheons. BP+Zombie invasion = Ghouls.
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Another enemy group with vengeance?
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They don't look exactly like banished pantheon zombies. Take another look. BP zombies have a glowing insignia on their chests. These Ghouls do not. As for the invasion zombies, they have little to no canonical information about them.
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Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
They dont look new. They look exactly like banished pantheons. BP+Zombie invasion = Ghouls.
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Praetorian Dr. Vhaz up to nasty work underground?
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I like how dark the tunnels are looking - it's going to be an interesting experience when we're used to nighttime here being still pretty bright.
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Admittedly, the only reason I had for equating them with BP was the voodoo like markings on the one in the foreground. Certainly made more sense to me than thinking they were Vahz, since there's no evidence of mechanical augmentation at all.
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Originally Posted by ketch
They don't look exactly like banished pantheon zombies. Take another look. BP zombies have a glowing insignia on their chests. These Ghouls do not. As for the invasion zombies, they have little to no canonical information about them.
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So the one constant to the multiverse is that Calvin Scott, like the playerbase, is gonna get screwed by that universe's Statesman.
There's obviously going to be more to them than generic zombies/cannibals, but this group does not sound very interesting, even if they do have some mysterious origin.
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I think they're more to help make the Resistance areas dangerous for players without having to have the Praetorian Police there.
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Originally Posted by Organica
Another enemy group with vengeance?
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How many do we have? Nemesis is the only one i can think of
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^ It's not exactly the twelth time a similar enemy has been called a Ghoul. It's a common thing in fantasy and sci-fi that has been happening for years.
As for their origins. I have a tendency to think that the person talking about the aspects of the mind may be onto something. Althoyugh I doubt that it's anywhere near as complicated as that as forum theories are notorious for coming up with something that sounds far better - but more complicated - than the result.
The bands do seem to suggest that they are limited from doing certain things and going certain places, which may mean that they are not allowed to go onto the surface or harm regular Praetorian citizens. That may mean that they are indeed another group that has spawned from Tyrant. However, one thing remains to be seen. If we are being given two groups that are supposed to be similarly if not equally morally gray, where is the gray in the Ghouls?
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A being who doesn't care anything at all for good or evil, right or wrong, and just wants to eat could be said to be the ultimate expression of 'morally gray.'
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Originally Posted by BeyondReach
If we are being given two groups that are supposed to be similarly if not equally morally gray, where is the gray in the Ghouls?
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
How many do we have? Nemesis is the only one i can think of
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Well, unlike Nemesis, I don't recall the devs stating that Dr. Vahzilok died a happy toy maker.
I'm sure I've been scooped, but I just saw this up today and thought I'd post it in case anyone missed it.
http://goingrogue.na.cityofheroes.co...esor-foes.html
Looks like great stuff!
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