Thread oppposed to lvl 20 epics


Adeon Hawkwood

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by CaffeineAddict View Post
Considering players can go from level 1-50 in a day, having an AT that unlocks at 50 means sweet FA.
Well, not legitimately, but it is a good point. The AE exploits did cheapen any "sense of accomplishment" having unlocked the epics with a 50 might have had by a LOT.




Virtue Server
Avatar art by Daggerpoint

 

Posted

I "worked hard" to get a 50 hero and a 50 villain so I could make Peacebringers (sucked), Warshades (sucked but not as much), Soldiers (decent), and Widows (one of my best toons). I still think the decision is a good one. Granted I probably would've done 30 or 35 just because 20 comes so fast, but I still agree with the decision.

The EATs are all solid ATs that people put a lot of time into. They could use some tweaks here and there (HEATs especially), but there are a lot of people missing out on these ATs as an option. I myself have about 7 level 50s, but it still took me about 2.5 years to get my first one. The reason they gave for lowering the level is that there are long-time vets who still don't have a 50.

The point is, stuff gets put into the game for people to experience it. And not enough people are experiencing EATs. The devs have said they regretted the level 50 thing for a long time. And level 50 for our game has never been a goal or an ending point that normal players should reach. With all the people telling everyone on the forums that it's the journey and not the destination, and not to rush to 50, why do we have ATs that you can't play until then? It's a contradiction.

<-- In favor of earlier access EATs


Quote:
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU View Post
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

 

Posted

I too "worked" hard to raise up several heroes and villains to 50, to unlock Epics on all of my accounts.

Peacebringers sucked. Warshades were a bit better. Soldiers are Meh, but my Widow rocks.

Do I give a care about the requirements being dropped to 20? Not at all. I've come to expect it actually. The first set of people to do a task will always work harder than several generations later.

Personally I would've dropped it to 35 to be in line with Cimerora, RWZ (VMs) and just the sheer splidget of challenge 35 takes over 20, but oh well...

Now Get Off My Lawn!!


Comic and Hero/Villain Culture
Saturday January 29th, 2005 (12:37 PM) ~ Monday August 9th, 2010
Those Who Lived It Will Remember Long after your Ban Hammer Crumbles and the servers flicker dead.
We Will Remember This One Moment In Time! ~ Shadow Ravenwolf

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by SinisterDirge View Post
You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.
While I'm familiar with the quote it doesn't quite apply in game design. You can NEVER please all of the people. Ever. No matter what you do, someone will have a problem with it.


 

Posted

Bah! less options = bad!
Just because you don't like lemon-aid, doesn't mean you get to pee in other peoples.


 

Posted

I don't see a big deal about lowering the level requirement.

So there will be even more people to say "meh" about the EATs.


Be well, people of CoH.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by DireAngelus View Post
While I'm familiar with the quote it doesn't quite apply in game design. You can NEVER please all of the people. Ever. No matter what you do, someone will have a problem with it.
Actually, that's pretty much true everywhere. It's the quote that's wrong.




Virtue Server
Avatar art by Daggerpoint

 

Posted

I briefly grumbled (but only to myself) when I first learned of this. However, I am cool with it. I am pleased that I was able to get my Khelds and VEATS (I can't get myself to call Khelds EATS...squids...good EATS?) unlocked the old way.

I am going to speculate that if unlocking epics is no longer going to be a reward for reaching 50, then reaching 50 is going to have a reward that is much much much much better. My advice is to just be patient and wait and see what happens.


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ectomy View Post
Look I'm all for everyone having access to everything. But as rare as some recipes are or pvp drops why the hell are you giving away epics.
I hear ya. And what's up with folks getting the "rest" power at level 2? Back-in-the-day attaining the ability to "rest" was something I could proudly put on my job resumes. Now it means nothing as any yahoo can get it without hardly even trying.


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Willowpaw View Post
I briefly grumbled (but only to myself) when I first learned of this. However, I am cool with it. I am pleased that I was able to get my Khelds and VEATS (I can't get myself to call Khelds EATS...squids...good EATS?) unlocked the old way.

I am going to speculate that if unlocking epics is no longer going to be a reward for reaching 50, then reaching 50 is going to have a reward that is much much much much better. My advice is to just be patient and wait and see what happens.
i don't think it has anything to do with rewards themselves so much as it has to do with the actual fact that the devs have stated themselves that having things unlock at 50 was stupid. we still have some people who have played for the entire life of the game, but because of altitis or other things, do not have a 50.


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oxmyx View Post
I hear ya. And what's up with folks getting the "rest" power at level 2? Back-in-the-day attaining the ability to "rest" was something I could proudly put on my job resumes. Now it means nothing as any yahoo can get it without hardly even trying.
I lol'd


Quote:
Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Photon View Post
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

Posted

I don't index my satisfaction in my accomplishments by what others DON'T have. Certainly not in a game where it costs me nothing is they have something I already have.

I approve of epics at 20. My Khelds and Arachnos characters do too.


My scrapper doesn't need an AoE. She IS an AoE.

 

Posted

Updated truth:

You can please most of the people some of the time and you can please some of the people most of the time, but you cannot please most of the people most of the time.

-Fuegocito


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by DireAngelus View Post
While I'm familiar with the quote it doesn't quite apply in game design. You can NEVER please all of the people. Ever. No matter what you do, someone will have a problem with it.
Not sure if everyone is familiar with the quote, since in the original Lincoln is supposed to have said:

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."

Pleasing them was not in the running.


My scrapper doesn't need an AoE. She IS an AoE.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyger42 View Post
Actually, that's pretty much true everywhere. It's the quote that's wrong.
Actually, it is true. There are things that have made everyone happy. Getting rid of Jack.. introducing Global Chat... it's just that the "all some of the time" is a very rare happening.


Orc&Pie No.53230 There is an orc, and somehow, he got a pie. And you are hungry.
www.repeat-offenders.net

Negaduck: I see you found the crumb. I knew you'd never notice the huge flag.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dispari View Post
I "worked hard" to get a 50 hero and a 50 villain so I could make Peacebringers (sucked), Warshades (sucked but not as much), Soldiers (decent), and Widows (one of my best toons). I still think the decision is a good one. Granted I probably would've done 30 or 35 just because 20 comes so fast, but I still agree with the decision.
Well, you know, if you got a character to 50, what did you accomplish? You got a level 1 Kheldian, or a level 1 SoA.

If you get a Kheldian or an SoA to level 50, though, THEN what have you accomplished? You have a level 50 Kheldian or SoA.

You've still got that second accomplishment to aim for. And personally, I don't think making the first one easier made the second any easier. If anything, it made it that much sooner before you got to realize that no, Kheldians and SoA are NOT uber powerful, and in fact they may suck.

I could have argued in favor of making it 30 or 40 (you get capes at 20 and auras at 30, EATs at 40 does kind of make sense) but if it ties in with Going Rogue, and we even manage to get a new EAT out of it, well, that's fine with me.


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texarkana View Post
Besides what has been mentioned, I can only imagine it will do wonders for red-side population.
Well it convinced me to roll a corruptor. I wanted a DP/Storm character and was debating between defender and corruptor. Access to VEATs at 20 was what tipped the scale (I want to try out a crab).


 

Posted

Oh and for the record, my only real complaint now would be you get nothing at 50. Where's my new costume slot for 50?!


Quote:
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU View Post
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyger42 View Post
Actually, that's pretty much true everywhere. It's the quote that's wrong.
You are right, the quote IS wrong. Replace "please" with "fool". It was Abe Lincoln.


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dispari View Post
Oh and for the record, my only real complaint now would be you get nothing at 50. Where's my new costume slot for 50?!
How about an extra character slot for every 50?


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rajani Isa View Post
Actually, it is true. There are things that have made everyone happy. Getting rid of Jack.. introducing Global Chat... it's just that the "all some of the time" is a very rare happening.
I don't know, I suppose I'm just too much of a cynic. I just can't imagine any change where at least one person wasn't at home all angry or at least discontented with it.

I feel like if they sent us all free donuts someone would be upset they didn't get their favorite flavor.

I'm thrilled with a lot of the new changes but someone somewhere is bent out of shape. Luckily I get to play the game my way whatever they think!


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by DireAngelus View Post
I don't know, I suppose I'm just too much of a cynic. I just can't imagine any change where at least one person wasn't at home all angry or at least discontented with it.

I feel like if they sent us all free donuts someone would be upset they didn't get their favorite flavor.

I'm thrilled with a lot of the new changes but someone somewhere is bent out of shape. Luckily I get to play the game my way whatever they think!
The Devs made me fat by sending me donuts! My lawyer thinks I have a good chance of getting a settlment for my medical bills and insulin shots.


 

Posted

I'm happy that there is less 'need' to grind or PL to 50 just to unlock more character generation choices.

I don't mind that I did it the old fashioned way, and others won't.


I don't suffer from altitis, I enjoy every minute of it.

Thank you Devs & Community people for a great game.

So sad to be ending ):