Thread oppposed to lvl 20 epics

Look I'm all for everyone having access to everything. But as rare as some recipes are or pvp drops why the hell are you giving away epics.

Some of us where them as pride as actually accomplishing something. Now they become some tripe reward you can easily get in one double exp day got new toon to 24 and didn't even push or farm.

So what took forever, I remember waiting for arachnos soldiers to hit live. We hurried to finish off a villain toon for a hero buddy that hadn't ran villains before. Well now you can get that for not even getting 1/2 way through game. And since we made those 1st 24 levels so easy to get why not just give everybody the damn things with a paid subscription...

But the rest of the game and coming installment looks great. But wow level 20...

A) Wrong Section
B) It's a game. A fun game, but not worth being prideful over. You dinged the counter when it was bigger, and now people will ding the counter when it's smaller, in the grand scheme, so what?

You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

somehow i think you might find there some sort of data that might say there many player don't get certain hero/villain toon passed level 20, so they might of though it be best to low the lvl requirements and hopeful get people to play the other side abit more. but i could be wrong but this is my opion on the new epic lvl

It might have something to do with the lvl 20 Praetorian stuff,I'm sure an explanation will be in the future.

Besides what has been mentioned, I can only imagine it will do wonders for red-side population.

It only takes one lvl 50 to open the other EAT , it wasn't like the requirement was to have 5 BEFORE you could open those EAT . Sheesh close this whiny tread already

I don't have a problem with this.

A game cannot stay absolutely unchanged for more than 5 years.

Adapting to changing circumstances is part of the human condition.

I've just jumped from EU to US so this is a godsend for me. No need for grinding to 50 (I've been playing 4.5 years on and off and have a grand total of 2 50s, both EU Hero side).

Now I'll be able to try a Crabbie on a well populated server. Yay!

I oppose your opposition.

In fact, you make an excellent point in favour of this change.

"We hurried to finish off a villain toon for a hero buddy that hadn't ran villains before."

Many people say that in this game, unlike many other MMOs, it's the journey that matters, not the destination. This game practically encourages altitis, what with there being a sizable portion of five year or longer vets that even today report hitting 50 for the first time.

Having something unlockable at 50 isn't bad per sé. I like Rikti Raids, and while I'm not as fond of Hami Raids, I understand there's many people who are. You can get purple recipes and many people love pimping their toons with them. But these are things for you to do once you hit 50, things to do with your level 50 toons. Unless you hit that level, you don't really have a reason to care for them. Having unlockable ATs, however, gives you something for the whole range of 1-50. Raids and purple recipes are nice, but these are Epic Archetypes! EPIC! We must have them right now!

As you so brilliantly pointed out, having new ATs unlockable at 50 doesn't give you a reason to have a level 50 toon, it only gives you a reason to rush to 50 and then abandon said toon in order to... play all the content again that you previously rushed through? That's kinda backwards, don't you think?

At worst having unlockable ATs at 50 encourages power-leveling, and at best it encourages just ignoring all the content on your way to 50.

Then there's also the fact that making ATs unlockable at 50 is actually harmful to these ATs. Despite what devs say about Epic meaning "tied to the lore" in this context, to most people Epic translates into powerful. Sure, Kheldians and Soldiers of Arachnos are unique, but they don't overpower the other ATs. In fact, many people are not fond at all of Kheldians simply because they feel so very weak in comparison to other ATs. Kheldians are jack of all trades, and jack of all trades are always masters of none, yet being called Epic Archetypes, being unlockable at 50, gives totally warped expectations, expectations that are very easy to fail. Make them unlockable at 20, and EATs are new ATs with a gimmick, not the super awesome ATs that only cool kids are allowed to play, except they're not as super awesome as expected so they fail.

Then there's also the fact that according to War Witch, the number of 50s and consequently the number of EATs is lower than they anticipated. From their perspective they went through all the effort of designing unique Archetypes, only to have them hardly played? Some players may say that their work is wasted now that EATs are unlockable at 50, but to the devs, it means that their work finally pays off. And make no mistake, only the devs did any work, the players, well, they played.

And while we're on the subject: More Kheldians and more Soldiers of Arachnos are only beneficial to EAT players. With an MMO, you will always have tons of bugs, glitches and most of all balance-issues. We would all love to see all of that fixed immediately, but there's priorities, and a seldomly-picked and played AT is low on that list. What's more important? Seeing to it that the 10 basic ATs that everyone plays are working properly, or seeing to it that four 'rare' ATs are being balanced? More EATs means EATs cannot be ignored when it comes to balance issues and bugs and the like. Why, Arachnos Soldiers may have a Crab and Bane Build without both having the Crab Backpack when actually many people play the AT!

I see no reason not to make the unlockable at 20. Hell, if the devs one day decide to make them unlockable upon subscription, I'd be in favour of that, too! So please, tell me again, what reason is there to keep EATs as unlockables at 50 other than some silly sense of pride? And for the record, I have a Bane Spider at 50 and a Tri-Form Peacebringer at 49, so don't think of insinuating I'm only saying this for my own benefit. Oh sure, I understand there's people that do take pride in their EATs, I understand there's people that considered getting to 50 "work" and EATs as their just reward that they earned, but if the only reason these people had to hit 50 so they can start again at level 1, this says more about how they view those last five or ten levels. But hey, I actually enjoyed the raids and Strike Forces and red-side especially the story arcs that I played, so I never minded hitting 50. If you need a carrot on a stick dangling in front of your face to play because you consider it work you must endure, well, maybe CoH/V just isn't the type of game for you?

Edit: Oh, I also forgot to mention: Some people say reaching 50 "prepares" you for EATs, but even ignoring that several people rush to 50 and therefore have less time to learn the game, playing an AT does not prepare you for another.

For starters, nothing prepares you for the enhancement drought of a Tri-Form Kheldian. Then there's the fact that a Kheldian can fill many roles, so if you REALLY want to prepare for a Kheldian, you need to play a Blaster and Tanker to 50 as well as a Scrapper to 50 for Peacebringers and Controller to 50 for Warshades to be properly prepared for all the stuff a Kheldian can do. The same goes for VEATs, except they're even simpler in that they only respec into a kind-of different AT, and until I played my VEAT, I never respecced before, not to mention that respeccing isn't actually difficult. If you want to learn how to play an AT, the best way is and will always be jumping into the water and getting your feet wet, not getting a driver's liscence so you can start flying helicopters.

I can sum this up even more so than people have already done (rather well, might I add)
And that is;

/jranger

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You think it could have something to do with the devs having admitted that making Epic Archetypes unlock at level 50 was a mistake, and that VEATS only had the level 50 requirement to make it fair?

No, it couldn't be that the devs are fixing what they perceive to be a mistake on their part. That never happens.

So you're pissy because you spent all that time grinding a character to 50 just to unlock Epic ATs.

Trying to care......trying to care.....Hmmm, I just completely failed to give a crap.