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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
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I'm not even awake by tehn, dangnabit... And if I was back at Uni, I couldn't play anyway, due to the firewal -_- |
Same here. i'm rarely awake before 12 and if i am its for uni.
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not everyone has the same work shedule, i popped on as it was a morning off, just posting to say that is how bad the population is.... maybee this is why other people have left the game if they log in when the servers are actually that dead why would they saty its meant to be a MMO so yes it is shocking
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Originally Posted by Blue Rabbit
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Yes, shocking! How very dare they, not playing on the morning of a weekday when most people are working! The nerve! /sarcasm |
Or perhaps those people know they'll have better luck if they log in later?
These aren't global servers, you will have population downtimes.
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I'm fairly sure that's why BR used the word "most"
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The slight problem is that even if we did a server list merge, I doubt we'd play along-side many NA subscribers.
Since by the time most of them have finished work, assuming east coast, it'll be 22:00PM - in the UK - or later. Which is even past my bedtime. Morning-wise in the UK at 10:00AM it'll still be 02:00AM in the morning for them. These aren't exactly accurate, I can't remember the precise time changes but we are forgetting the rather large time-scale difference.
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Three hour difference for the west coast though....
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Other than the odd week which differs by an hour (due to switching to/from summer time on differnt dates) it's East coast is UK-5, West Coast is UK-8.|
Originally Posted by Wondering_Fury
The slight problem is that even if we did a server list merge, I doubt we'd play along-side many NA subscribers.
Since by the time most of them have finished work, assuming east coast, it'll be 22:00PM - in the UK - or later. Which is even past my bedtime. Morning-wise in the UK at 10:00AM it'll still be 02:00AM in the morning for them. These aren't exactly accurate, I can't remember the precise time changes but we are forgetting the rather large time-scale difference. Fury |
Ok we won't be sync'd up whatever we do, but...
- What about weekends? By lunchtime in Europe the early birds in the US should be playing.
- What about the players on both sides of the pond who play at unusual hours for their locale?
Oh ok - strictly speaking it could leave the player-pool the same, if the play times of all players in the US list have absolutely no intersection with the playtimes of EU-server players... But wattatheoddzonthat???
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
You're making several unwarranted assumptions here.
We do not NEED a server list merge - what the EU community needs for its long-term health and stability is more players logging in to play. A "better" community is not simply a more populous one - the community itself needs to function well to be effective and both English speaking servers definitely have that. War Witch has stated that things are afoot so let's see what they are - give her a chance to respond before we jump any guns. There are three fundamental problems with the EU servers: 1) low population 2) lack of character slots compared to NA players 3) inability to team with the wider community. If the last 2 items could be addressed in some manner, then we'd go a long way to fixing the first. |
1) cross-server teaming + server LIST merge will help against low population
2) server LIST merge will give everyone 15 servers to enjoy
3) cross-server teaming + server LIST merge will help against inability to team with the wider community
then one single global channel for TFs, one for badgehunting!
Thank You War Witch for "bringing people together", I appreciate it so much.
I'll be able to make characters again that i dont have to build so that it can solo 
Have said before, that was one of the main plusses when i went over there before. I was able to actually create any character i wanted and not be stuck with the mindset that i'll have to build it to solo too.
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I am already happy that someone at NC realized the EU side is dying and wants to do something about it.
Instead of "It isnt real", "It will fix itself" or "We dont care". Its good to know.
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Originally Posted by Rent_
Loads of chat after WW.. TL;DR.
If you don't merge the server lists, no matter what new system you're planning, then the EU side won't last for much longer. Sure, GR will bring some old and new faces back but after a few months, the servers will be back to how they are now. Save your selfs some money (Assuming less development time) and just merge the server lists. Do it with GR and positively promote the merge. It's a good thing, not bad. Give out free transfers again for a fortnight or so and jobs a good 'un. You have a happy EU player base. Hopefully happy enough for another 5 years. |
I'd even advise everybody that starts the game to get the US version.
More servers, more players per server, more character slots, even slightly less pay (15$ < 13(?) ).
Why would anybody that is new to the game and has a credit card (to pay in the US) want the European version? Unless something like a merge of the two games is done, the EU side dies, and leaves sad veterans that dont want to start from scrap and people without credit card behind.
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Originally Posted by Wondering_Fury
The slight problem is that even if we did a server list merge, I doubt we'd play along-side many NA subscribers.
Since by the time most of them have finished work, assuming east coast, it'll be 22:00PM - in the UK - or later. Which is even past my bedtime. Morning-wise in the UK at 10:00AM it'll still be 02:00AM in the morning for them. These aren't exactly accurate, I can't remember the precise time changes but we are forgetting the rather large time-scale difference. Fury |
Blue side is like 2.5 to 3 times that much.
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Have you actually tried it? I've been on Virtue on a weekday at 11:00am GMT and there was still over 250 people on it. At 9pm, when I'm usually on there's something between 500 and 600+ on usually (450 yesterday when I started). It's rarely difficult to get a team. Virtue is an exception compared to most of the US servers, but it's still there.|
Originally Posted by Wondering_Fury
The slight problem is that even if we did a server list merge, I doubt we'd play along-side many NA subscribers.
Since by the time most of them have finished work, assuming east coast, it'll be 22:00PM - in the UK - or later. Which is even past my bedtime. Morning-wise in the UK at 10:00AM it'll still be 02:00AM in the morning for them. These aren't exactly accurate, I can't remember the precise time changes but we are forgetting the rather large time-scale difference. Fury |
Only issue I've really had in the last week is that there's a bit of a midweek slump Red Side on Virtue and there tends to be a high after-school quota on at my "peak" times, which can work out horribly sometimes (not always by any means, but occasionally...)
If we had a Server List Merge I could play whichever server suited the character I was playing at the time better. As Damz says for the last 6 months of being EU side I just played Brutes and Scrappers solo because at least they could solo at a good tilt (hurrah for new diff settings). After getting 3 straight Brutes and a Scrapper into the 40s though you get bored of the grind and start yearning for some good old fashioned Teaming chaos.
still think we DO! need a list merge yeah cross server teaming minght be great but what about the good times under atlas statue when everyone just chats, costume comps just generall community this wont last much longer if we dwindle anymore yeah they minght impliment the cross server teaming makin tf raids more popular! but the servers will still be dead and the community spirit will die slowly after GR fades into being 'old' and then the EU servers WILL die
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Originally Posted by fatalnova
still think we DO! need a list merge yeah cross server teaming minght be great but what about the good times under atlas statue when everyone just chats, costume comps just generall community this wont last much longer if we dwindle anymore yeah they minght impliment the cross server teaming makin tf raids more popular! but the servers will still be dead and the community spirit will die slowly after GR fades into being 'old' and then the EU servers WILL die
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Originally Posted by The_Thorny_Devil
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Your usual team of 2 with whats her name does not constitute a busy server.
Wake up mate, dead is dead, 140 people at peak time is dead, dead!
Merge the servers already.
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Because his post wasn't in the least constructive? He's basically whining and shouting the same thing that has been said and asked for over and over again. Not going to do anything is it? I also think a server LIST merge is needed, but I'm not going say that and repeat and agree with people over and over. As out point has been made enough times to be heard, and WW already knows what we want.|
Originally Posted by Londoner
What you /facepalming for?
Your usual team of 2 with whats her name does not constitute a busy server. Wake up mate, dead is dead, 140 people at peak time is dead, dead! Merge the servers already. |
Also, dead means no life. I wish people would stop using that term. 1 person isn't dead. 0 people is dead.
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Originally Posted by fatalnova
still think we DO! need a list merge yeah cross server teaming minght be great but what about the good times under atlas statue when everyone just chats, costume comps just generall community this wont last much longer if we dwindle anymore yeah they minght impliment the cross server teaming makin tf raids more popular! but the servers will still be dead and the community spirit will die slowly after GR fades into being 'old' and then the EU servers WILL die
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I don't have a problem getting a team if I want one, but I know some people do, so I'd support anything that made teaming easier for people on the Euro servers.
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I know i stopped doing nonstop random competitions because it was turning in to an actual task just to get a decent turnout 
Dont mind giving out a ton of influence but i did gave up doing things like costume contests since you do have to advertise nonstop on all the popular channels ages in advance just for a CHANCE of a decent turnout.
Again, know thats the case on SOME of the US servers but still
Side note: Im taking part in MSRs on a weekly basis now and i wanted to create a character purely for them [dark/rad defender]. Got him to level 4 and then put him on the shelf for now, would just take too long to solo.
Most of my characters are ones that can solo with ease
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You know that I'm not saying that all's fine but:
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
I'll be able to make characters again that i dont have to build so that it can solo
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Side note: Im taking part in MSRs on a weekly basis now and i wanted to create a character purely for them [dark/rad defender]. Got him to level 4 and then put him on the shelf for now, would just take too long to solo.
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Even an empath defender should be ok if one build is built for soloing. Of course they won't level as quickly as the self-sufficient scrapper or brute, but they won't be unable to solo.
And as for the dark/rad... get them to 10 and run TFs. That should see some pretty quick levelling... (admittedly that should be easier when new Posi arrives - but even as it is Posi isn't that bad).
Or even stick a shout out for a regular super team...
i.e. the biggest problem is having a team build and then having to rely on getting PuGs. If the population was reasonable then it shouldn't be a problem, but just now it is - but there are ways to plan around that.
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Originally Posted by Vanex_NA
We definitely and utterly DO NEED a server LIST merge, here are your answers:
1) cross-server teaming + server LIST merge will help against low population 2) server LIST merge will give everyone 15 servers to enjoy 3) cross-server teaming + server LIST merge will help against inability to team with the wider community then one single global channel for TFs, one for badgehunting! Thank You War Witch for "bringing people together", I appreciate it so much. |
Well whether you believe this or not (and I don't necessarily agree that a list merge will solve much, it'll just kill off the EU servers for good) it ain't gonna happen!
So the only way for the EU community to thrive is with an influx of new blood.
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Originally Posted by Blue Rabbit
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Thanks for the red rep vote whomever you were! Your rage is like warm ambrosia I happily om nom nomed. You're still wrong though. |
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You have a signature and a username. Stop signing off in the posts themselves.
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Anyway.. I must admit Carni' I haven't been on NA servers to confirm my hypothesis, I just assumed the time differences alone would have been enough to qualify the thought. I completely agree with you now, having said that I wonder if our EU servers would populate quickly if we did have a server list merge. It's merely out of curiosity, after all even here us 'Onions' are loyal to Union, and 'Defiant' to Defiant server. I would relish a merge list having said that though, it's just saddening to log on into 'Atlas Park' with a small pop'.
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I don't see why it would kill off the servers. As Fury said, a lot of people are loyal to their EU servers, including yourself according to your sig. I wouldn't leave defiant. I'd prob move a few old 50s to another server and keep playing on Defiant. That's where my SG and VG is, that's where all my friends are. And players NA side will visit our servers due to curiosity and for the extra slots, I have read on these forums that fact myself. (I can't remember where, I think it was one of the many 'merge the server' threads).
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
Well whether you believe this or not (and I don't necessarily agree that a list merge will solve much, it'll just kill off the EU servers for good) it ain't gonna happen!
So the only way for the EU community to thrive is with an influx of new blood. |
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Originally Posted by The_Thorny_Devil
I don't see why it would kill off the servers.
[snip] And players NA side will visit our servers due to curiosity and for the extra slots, I have read on these forums that fact myself. (I can't remember where, I think it was one of the many 'merge the server' threads). |
In the past haven't they restricted transfers to the 2 most populous NA servers? If so, and they did this again in the event of a list merge, it certainly wouldn't be a case of all EU players transferring to them.
Of course I'd fully expect some long-term fallout (of current EU players) and a short-term disaster as I'd expect players to disperse throughout the bigger NA servers upon a list merge in order to see what they're like. The worst scenario (regarding any EU 'community') would be if a dispersal happened like this and a signifiant proportion of players decided not to return to their old servers... but that would be individual choice.
Heck if we wanted to try out the US servers upon a merge it'd maybe be better if we tried to do soen masse to one or two agreed servers.
A list merge only kills off the Union/Defiant servers if their player base doesn't feel it's worth saving and lets it die.
(Not forgetting Zukunft/Vigilance - but I wouldn't presume to have any real idea of what their players would prefer to do).
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These are pretty much my thoughts as well.
In the past haven't they restricted transfers to the 2 most populous NA servers? If so, and they did this again in the event of a list merge, it certainly wouldn't be a case of all EU players transferring to them. Of course I'd fully expect some long-term fallout (of current EU players) and a short-term disaster as I'd expect players to disperse throughout the bigger NA servers upon a list merge in order to see what they're like. The worst scenario (regarding any EU 'community') would be if a dispersal happened like this and a signifiant proportion of players decided not to return to their old servers... but that would be individual choice. Heck if we wanted to try out the US servers upon a merge it'd maybe be better if we tried to do soen masse to one or two agreed servers. A list merge only kills off the Union/Defiant servers if their player base doesn't feel it's worth saving and lets it die. (Not forgetting Zukunft/Vigilance - but I wouldn't presume to have any real idea of what their players would prefer to do). |
I know i would make some new alts on some of the other servers but i would still play my union characters too though.
One thing is for certain though, i would keep any EU chat channels constantly open
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if you read this post war witch is there any reason they wont do a server LIST merge???
everytime this question gets asked we always get the same reply just there are no plans blah blah blah but they never give a reason why?
there are a lot of loyal players here in the EU community yet it seems the only way we can join a better community is if we pack up and move to eu servers manually losing all toons vet rewards etc and thats just not fair! were only gonna be kept quite a little longer many players have left for the US already so any hope of them returning when GR launches isnt gonna happen
can we get more insight into this in game development that you guys think is gonna help us out? the leaving it secret isnt keeping us on edge if anything its Pi***ng us off still not knowing the fate of the EU future.... were still pumping money into the game that we could be using to start an US account if the final answer is gonna be were closing eu servers not enough interest move to us servers or stop playing!?!?!?
You're making several unwarranted assumptions here.
We do not NEED a server list merge - what the EU community needs for its long-term health and stability is more players logging in to play.
A "better" community is not simply a more populous one - the community itself needs to function well to be effective and both English speaking servers definitely have that.
War Witch has stated that things are afoot so let's see what they are - give her a chance to respond before we jump any guns.
There are three fundamental problems with the EU servers:
1) low population
2) lack of character slots compared to NA players
3) inability to team with the wider community.
If the last 2 items could be addressed in some manner, then we'd go a long way to fixing the first.
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