Where Is Everyone?!

"Points", what points?

The heavy handed response to players using AE for normal leveling, not exploits, threw a wet blanket on most of the enthusiasm over the feature, which led to subscribers loosing interest after re-subbing and empty AE buildings.

And that's thought of as a success by the likes of MB and most of the FC types, who beat the hell out of the topic when it was fresh.



They're not good for an mmo because they're a minority who cannot play as they wish, they must also try and force their preferences on others by demonising another players choices.

Have a level 50 that hasn't left AE from 1-50 and you want to reference it on these boards, lol god be with you.


The number of threads over the years where subscribers have been harangued and belittled by a lot of the forum cartel types on this topic would fill the library of congress.

They're not good for the game.

Yes, yes, blah blah blah.
You make it sound like some vocal minority decided to nerf AE. Guess what, it was the Devs that made that decision.

At the moment, I'm guessing that everyone who has access to the closed beta is on the Test Server checking out Dual Pistols. The closed beta started TODAY.

Wait... are you telling me that Devs might want to curtail PLing for any reason *other* than pleasing a small minority on the forums?

Inconceivable!

Funny, I don't see him saying anything. Haven't for a long time. Doesn't sound like he's started posting anything worth reading yet, either.

Edit: Yep. From the quote, still posting his usual nonsense.

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You keep using that word, but I don't think you know what it means.

I was on Champion an hour ago. Lots of people in Pocket D getting together teams for the spring fling missions. Check there if you want to see people.

Cryptic has recanted, their new expansion is now free.

Yeah, I noticed. I'm hoping this means that people will finally shut the hell up about it, but I doubt it.

I took a break (to play CO and Dragon Age) but came back; like I always do.

It does seem more vacant than usual though. Even high population servers like Virtue and Freedom seem quieter than usual.

The developers didn't nerf AE because of discussions on these boards.

People didn't quit in mass because of discussions on these boards.

Memphis Bill and the other members of the Forum Cartel have no real influence.

I'm pretty sure that 'Forum Cartel' is just a label applied to people who have a certain large number of posts. I don't think it is an actual organization. I think I'm labeled 'rookie' because of my low post count, though I've been playing for 6 years.

I don't know why, but for some reason I find this post the funniest thing I've seen today. Thanks for the laugh!

Oh yeah, the population is down. Fewer people at all the public watering holes. I suspect it is because of Champions Online, Aion, Dragon Age, and other new games under the ol' Christmas Tree this year.

Game is 6 years old almost. New shiny beats old shiny. I took off for three months this summer to try out WoW. That was fun at first, got old fast. Tried Champions, liked the character graphics, didn't like the animations as well. Some cool stuff like throwing cars.

Personally I like instanced missions. I don't care much for competing for spawns with others. City of Heroes doesn't disappoint.

A couple things... first... it's LOSING... that extra "o" would be necessary if you were
coming up with an insult for a "your mama" joke. Sorry, I'm normally a grammar and spelling nazi anyway but for some reason those words (lose vs loose) I find most annoying.

Second... you've made the same claim twice... that Bill and some other "FC types" are responsible for the AE nerfs and that CoX lost subscribers as a consequence. Where's your proof?

Making a claim is worthless and a waste of time if you don't (I'm guessing you can't) provide facts to back it up.

It's like veal. They're so much tastier and tender when you catch 'em young.

*BURP!*

Clicking on the linked image above will take you off the City of Heroes site. However, the guides will be linked back here.

Fix't.

You're fired.

The use of logic and reasoning has no place on these forums.

Pack up your keyboard and mouse and leave the premises immediately.

Global channels are probably the best answer to the original question of where is everyone. If all you're looking at is broadcast for the zone you happen to be in, the game can easily appear to be deserted. Meanwhile, chat is very active in various global channels.

Ad Hominem is not innately a logical fallacy, nor is it a logical fallacy when it is relevant to the topic at hand.

I think Tank Washington is WRONG though. The AE needed nerfing because EVERYONE was doing it. (Everyone in your game PLing = death to a MMORPG.) The sheer amount of level 50s being generated was insane, as was the intense inflation of the value of influence/infamy in a post-AE game. Inflation that we are still feeling the affect of now.

The top end of players can still go from 1-50 in a couple days so they weren't affected. All the nerfs did was stop regular players from being able to achieve things more dedicated players are able to. I think everyone would agree (lol I used Argumentum ad populum) that regular players and hardcore powergamers should have different rewards.

However, I think Tank Washington is right about the vocal forum minority being bad for the game. Obviously the Developers are aware that the majority of the game's players don't read the boards, and that the views expressed on the forums are just that, views. My first instinct is to think that a video game company worth MILLIONS with CR specialists/marketing specialists/MMORPG specialists/Game Designers would know how forums work in relation to a MMORPG far better than anyone in this thread...

...that said, there have been instances in the past where incessant forum whining has led to bad game-wide changes. (PVP anyone?) But I think in the main part, the Developement team take the forums with a big bag of salt.