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Arcanaville,
Posted on: 2010-01-24 22:08 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
Actually...for once...a very good point GG.
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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Originally Posted by NightshadeLegree
Take a stroll along the streets of Kings Row, where the Skulls bully hapless citizens, Vahzilok body snatchers lurk in every back alley and the Circle of Thorns perform arcane rituals on any hapless citizen that hasn't already been mugged or murdered.
To a right thinking citizen of Praetoria wouldn't Paragon City appear a terrifying and lawless place which could only benefit from coming under the benevolent rule of Emperor Cole? |
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Originally Posted by NightshadeLegree
Take a stroll along the streets of Kings Row, where the Skulls bully hapless citizens, Vahzilok body snatchers lurk in every back alley and the Circle of Thorns perform arcane rituals on any hapless citizen that hasn't already been mugged or murdered.
To a right thinking citizen of Praetoria wouldn't Paragon City appear a terrifying and lawless place which could only benefit from coming under the benevolent rule of Emperor Cole? |
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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Praetoria is terrifying because you give up your free will to be safe, as long as you keep quiet, don't ask questions and get on with your life, probably occasionally give Mother Mayhem a hug and tell her she's pretty, you get to live your life in peace.
Paragon City is terrifying because everyone has free will unfortunately this means the criminal element is also more abundant.
Praetoria is proactive in stopping crime but to a degree which steps on the boundaries of personal freedom.
Paragon City heroes are reactive in stopping crime but as such there are risk that they went be there in time when you get captured by the Circle of Thorns/Carnival of Shadows/Crey agent bent on experiments/Malta agents who like lobotimizing super powered people and putting their brains into giant mechanical titans who gain a particular love for the 'macross missile spam' trope.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
We may have gone there first, but they're the ones that want to actually invade.
We're Stargate Command, they're the Goa'uld.  |
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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
Pretending to not want a position of power is the first step you need to take in order gain the trust of the fools who will elect you. It's almost like a natural law by now.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
But someone who is loyal to Tyrant wouldn't be classed as a Hero on Primal Earth.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
So disorderly thoughts would be wondering where a superpowered relation of yours had disappeared to? Or why the family of another superpowered person who disappeared also disappeared when they started asking questions about their missing relative?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
So disorderly thoughts would be wondering where a superpowered relation of yours had disappeared to? Or why the family of another superpowered person who disappeared also disappeared when they started asking questions about their missing relative?
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On a side note: It's really easy to slip into RP mode when discussing the ethics and societal structure of Praetoria. 
Personally I like Recluse and his evil-evilness. He reminds me of Dr.Doom. Not every villain can be a morally ambigious "I don't know what is going on" puzzle.
Somedays, I just like my mustache twirling.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Most citizens of Peoria would probably think that.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Most citizens of Peoria would probably think that.
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Originally Posted by Goliath Bird Eater
On a side note: It's really easy to slip into RP mode when discussing the ethics and societal structure of Praetoria.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Tyrant and Recluse both seem to base their promotion system on that "survival of the fittest" idea - so they have some moustache-twirling stuff in common
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In either way, it's pretty clear that when you side with Emperor Cole, you're meant to be a villain. Praetoria is basically "what if 1984's Oceania was ruled by Superman?" right down to the Thought Police/Psychic Friends Network. There's some semblance of moral grey because you're superficially safe in Praetoria, but you don't see people excusing Hitler only because he had some pretty awesome streets built.
In a sense, that makes even the Etoile Isles a safer place than Praetoria. In the infamous City of Villains, there's no need to watch your back because everyone's gonna be too busy to stab you in the front. In Praetoria, you never know when exactly someone's gonna rat you out to the authorities because you wondered why you're not allowed to leave the country.
On the other side, while we don't know much about the Resistance, and while there might be some moral gray going on with them (maybe they're willing to blow up buildings, killing innocent people in the process, just to end Tyrant's rule?), ultimately they'll still be the good guys by virtue of not sending death squads after you for political dissent.
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Originally Posted by Mylia
Recluse yes indeed he forces that on you. Basic animal kingdom rise to the power shtick.
Tyrant, I really do not see that in him with the bio that we given out. He is looking for pure control in a constant state. He does this through (speculation of course) not just brute force but also through charisma which helps him get people behind him. So to the people we see a great figure that rises from the ashes to save the world. On the other spectrum we see a man using all connections, strength and cunning to keep things the way he sees, absolute control, of "peace". |
But they never said that "survival of the fittest" in Praetoria is literal like it is on the Rogue Isles. Again, from what we've seen and heard, it's more like "John is responsible for X. Jim is working underneath John. Jim proves that he'd be more capable than John of being responsible for X. Therefore, Jim replaces John and John finds something else to do." Now, we don't know what "something else" entails for poor John. I know some - like you, for example - would probably like to think that John is killed or something because TYRANT IS AN EVIL MEANIEHEAD. But we don't know. It could be that John takes over Jim's old position (provided that the person below Jim isn't capable of doing a better job of it than John) and that it really is just advancement via better performance with all the usual B.S. stripped away. Or maybe you're right, and Jim plants inflammatory anti-Cole propaganda documents in John's computer and gets John taken away by the authorities. We just don't know.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
At Hero Con, they said that promotion in Praetoria, at least amongst the Praetorian Guard, happens when you're strong enough to remove your boss, and take their place - that sounds a bit "survival-of-the-fittest"
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Originally Posted by Goliath Bird Eater
But they never said that "survival of the fittest" in Praetoria is literal like it is on the Rogue Isles. Again, from what we've seen and heard, it's more like "John is responsible for X. Jim is working underneath John. Jim proves that he'd be more capable than John of being responsible for X. Therefore, Jim replaces John and John finds something else to do." Now, we don't know what "something else" entails for poor John. I know some - like you, for example - would probably like to think that John is killed or something because TYRANT IS AN EVIL MEANIEHEAD. But we don't know. It could be that John takes over Jim's old position (provided that the person below Jim isn't capable of doing a better job of it than John) and that it really is just advancement via better performance with all the usual B.S. stripped away. Or maybe you're right, and Jim plants inflammatory anti-Cole propaganda documents in John's computer and gets John taken away by the authorities. We just don't know.
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Originally Posted by Mylia
So the one note where strength is a must to bring into the field to handle any type of commotion or lawbreaking. From one branch of Praetoria.
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Originally Posted by Goliath Bird Eater
But they never said that "survival of the fittest" in Praetoria is literal like it is on the Rogue Isles. Again, from what we've seen and heard, it's more like "John is responsible for X. Jim is working underneath John. Jim proves that he'd be more capable than John of being responsible for X. Therefore, Jim replaces John and John finds something else to do." Now, we don't know what "something else" entails for poor John. I know some - like you, for example - would probably like to think that John is killed or something because TYRANT IS AN EVIL MEANIEHEAD. But we don't know. It could be that John takes over Jim's old position (provided that the person below Jim isn't capable of doing a better job of it than John) and that it really is just advancement via better performance with all the usual B.S. stripped away. Or maybe you're right, and Jim plants inflammatory anti-Cole propaganda documents in John's computer and gets John taken away by the authorities. We just don't know.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The Praetorian Police department are the "first line of defense against the Resistance" - if you choose them as a career path, you're going to be taking the evil path
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Originally Posted by Goliath Bird Eater
assuming the F&F beta has even begun
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Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
give Mother Mayhem a hug and tell her she's pretty
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, going by the fact that the indoctrination program of the Powers Division having a 90% fatality rate, it does seem like Tyrant doesn't place such a big emphasis on human life
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
All parts of beta testing - including Friends & Family - is done on the Test server. If it's not on Test, it's not in any stage of beta yet.
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Originally Posted by Ms. Mesmer
Not to say that that won't be true with Going Rogue, but City of Villains was tested on an entirely different server, with Test remaining available to everyone the whole time.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
All parts of beta testing - including Friends & Family - is done on the Test server. If it's not on Test, it's not in any stage of beta yet.
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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
I'm not 100% sure but I don't remember hearing "90% fatality", just that 90% of the supers are never seen in Praetoria again. Instead they are presumed to be off fighting the good fight abroad to keep everyone else safe, making the ultimate sacrifice, etc etc.
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