Super Booster Pack V


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Hope that'd doesn't turn into another fad like City Of Neo (when trenchcoats came out).

...otherwise my morning commute is going to look like this....

That would be quite the Ood commute.

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Will you level to 50 only on custom AE arcs with nothing but Snakes?
Now that you mention it, i would definitely give it a try myself, but using a different spin on the Rikki Tikki Tavi name.


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Recently there was a tweet by Posi that said something about animated tails..if tails become animalted in SUpper Booster V, I might pass unless there is a power like Ninja Run or costumes like the magic set.

I highly doubt well get anything that breaks the models for the playable characters, I would love more beast like options or fish fins, gills.

On a side note: What is the Argus face based on?


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Recently there was a tweet by Posi that said something about animated tails.
Actually, it was BAB, and he said nothing about animated tails - just that he was working on separating tales from belts, that's all


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Actulally, it was BAB, and he said nothing about animated tails - just that he was working on separating tales from belts, that's all
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Oh, ok. I was up late when I read it. I still dont feel like SBPV will be that amazing
Many people don't feel that the Super Booster Pack 5 will be that amazing because... they don't know anything about it right now, other than the Origin it might be themed around.


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On a side note: What is the Argus face based on?
I have to assume it was something they did concept art for which never materialized.

Might have been for a space alien storyline.


 

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I have to assume it was something they did concept art for which never materialized.

Might have been for a space alien storyline.
i thought it might be related to the Arachnoids...


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After that would be magic. Last time we mostly got wizardy type things. Next time I'd like to see more of an undead theme, with see through skeletal pieces. Maybe a long robe that covers your feet, and the travel power could be a version of sprint that makes it look like you're hovering just off the ground as you move, like a ghost. Oh, right, not robes. Well, other ghostly looking stuff anyhow.
Creepy Mu/Ghost hover sprint Nice idea. I want.


 

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I'd just like to say, if a Mutant super booster pack ever includes weasel/ferret/mongoose animalistic parts, I totally call dibs on making a Claws/Willpower Scrapper called Rikti Tikki Tavi.
Considering the original name of the Rikti came out of (I don't remember names) of of the developers asking another one of them to make something out of "Rikki Tikki Tavi," you're on to something.


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That's a good point.

Science heroes like Superman and the Fantastic Four fight primarily against foes of science origin.
I would consider Superman to be natural. All his race had those powers.

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Actually, it was BAB, and he said nothing about animated tails - just that he was working on separating tales from belts, that's all
I think it was because it was BAB talking about tails that it was assumed they were animated.


 

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I'd just like to say, if a Mutant super booster pack ever includes weasel/ferret/mongoose animalistic parts, I totally call dibs on making a Claws/Willpower Scrapper called Rikti Tikki Tavi.
I can't recall off the top of my head which one it is, but one of the monstrous heads makes a pretty good rodent, I've made a handful of "rat" characters with it. Maybe you should give that a shot.


 

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Here's the description: [...]

So it covers your powers manifesting after birth, but you were still born with the genes for them.
Passing thought, but--I wonder where that leaves the people who mutate WITHOUT having been born with mutated genes. For example, the Science origin says this:

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You received your powers either through purposeful scientific inquiry or some accident gone awry. You have since learned to harness your new-found abilities, becoming a powerful force in the world.
This seems to imply that Science-origin heroes either gain their powers from a purposeful scientific experiment, or through an accident when a scientific experiment goes out of control (like Spider-Man did in his original origin story).

But wouldn't there be cases of people whose genes/bodies are mutated by circumstances outside of a scientific experiment, purposeful or awry? For example, one scientist in the Rogue Isles claims that there are is no evidence of Mutation-origin heroes from before the development of nuclear weapons.

If someone is exposed to a mutagenic substance and wasn't directly involved in a scientific experiment concerning that substance--like, say, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, whose origin story usually involves careless disposal of a mutagen--wouldn't that qualify them as part of the Mutant origin, rather than Science?

More blurred lines, I suppose ...

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Will you level to 50 only on custom AE arcs with nothing but Snakes?
I was thinking more of taking on the Rikti given the pun, but that's a good idea! It took me a while to realize that was possible through AE, since I kept thinking "but Snakes only show up in the Rogue Isles ..."

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Now that you mention it, i would definitely give it a try myself, but using a different spin on the Rikki Tikki Tavi name.
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Considering the original name of the Rikti came out of (I don't remember names) of of the developers asking another one of them to make something out of "Rikki Tikki Tavi," you're on to something.
Huh. I didn't know that!

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I can't recall off the top of my head which one it is, but one of the monstrous heads makes a pretty good rodent, I've made a handful of "rat" characters with it. Maybe you should give that a shot.
Hmm! I'll give it a poke and see what I come up with. I'd be missing a good mongoose-style tail, though ...


 

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Hmm! I'll give it a poke and see what I come up with. I'd be missing a good mongoose-style tail, though ...
There are pretty much no good tail options, we have to make-do with what we have or skip it entirely (altho the cat one doubles decently as a rat's tail). I'm really hoping tails get some love sometime soon...
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Passing thought, but--I wonder where that leaves the people who mutate WITHOUT having been born with mutated genes. For example, the Science origin says this:

This seems to imply that Science-origin heroes either gain their powers from a purposeful scientific experiment, or through an accident when a scientific experiment goes out of control (like Spider-Man did in his original origin story).

But wouldn't there be cases of people whose genes/bodies are mutated by circumstances outside of a scientific experiment, purposeful or awry? For example, one scientist in the Rogue Isles claims that there are is no evidence of Mutation-origin heroes from before the development of nuclear weapons.

If someone is exposed to a mutagenic substance and wasn't directly involved in a scientific experiment concerning that substance--like, say, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, whose origin story usually involves careless disposal of a mutagen--wouldn't that qualify them as part of the Mutant origin, rather than Science?
It's a fair point and I think it's something that everyone is going to have a different opinion on. My personal take on it (which I fully expect some people will disagree with) is that if you were mutated by an outside source then it is either Science or Magic. If the supernatural is involved then it's Magic, else it's Science even if there is no overt experiment involved.

For example: Steven Ulysses Perhero is exploring the surface of an alien world when he finds some green goo which exists naturally on that world. He touches it and BAM! his genes change giving him super powers. Now you could select all sorts of origins for him but per my discription above I would class him as Science. Partly because he doesn't really fit elsewhere but mostly because there was a scientific experiment performed in an attempt to answer the question "I wonder what will happen if I touch that green goo?"


 

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It's a fair point and I think it's something that everyone is going to have a different opinion on. My personal take on it (which I fully expect some people will disagree with) is that if you were mutated by an outside source then it is either Science or Magic.

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Now you could select all sorts of origins for him but per my discription above I would class him as Science. Partly because he doesn't really fit elsewhere but mostly because there was a scientific experiment performed in an attempt to answer the question "I wonder what will happen if I touch that green goo?"
Maybe this is why we have Dual-Origin enhancements, given that Mutation can share DOs with Science or Magic; the lines between origins can be blurred, and elements of a second origin can influence the primary one.

Still, I don't know. What if he didn't ask that question? What if he had an accident, fell into the green goo? If he didn't think about touching it or didn't WANT to touch it but did anyway due to events out of his control, that doesn't seem so much like a scientific experiment to me. Especially since this isn't a laboratory setting or prepared experimentation.


 

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Maybe this is why we have Dual-Origin enhancements, given that Mutation can share DOs with Science or Magic; the lines between origins can be blurred, and elements of a second origin can influence the primary one.

Still, I don't know. What if he didn't ask that question? What if he had an accident, fell into the green goo? If he didn't think about touching it or didn't WANT to touch it but did anyway due to events out of his control, that doesn't seem so much like a scientific experiment to me. Especially since this isn't a laboratory setting or prepared experimentation.
I was always under the impressio that the Science in Science origin is more about Scientific Processes(as opposed to Magic Processes) occuring post birth as opposed to pre-birth, which would be Mutation.
So, regardless of intent or not, Something sciency happened to you, instead of something magical.


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I want an actual natural pack, not a ninja one.
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I was always under the impressio that the Science in Science origin is more about Scientific Processes(as opposed to Magic Processes) occuring post birth as opposed to pre-birth, which would be Mutation.
So, regardless of intent or not, Something sciency happened to you, instead of something magical.
This is a pretty good basic description.

Spiderman's origin is science - but he was never part of a deliberate experiment.


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Mmm, here's how I see it.

Natural = Your birth, growth and development have followed the norms of your species. You have no severe genetic abnormalities. You were never altered in any way from the way you were born. Any powers or abilities you developed are considered within the acceptable range of normality for your species.


Mutant = You have deviated from the norm of your species by random act of evolution. This change might manifest later in life, but it was inside you from the moment you born. You were never altered in anyway. Never experimented on. You just were born different.


Science = You were altered from whatever you were born as by the powers of SCIENCE.


Ok, that last one is a little weak. Let me go with an example. The Rikti. People here debated what Origin the Rikti are. Mutant or Science. I would also propose "Natural" as an option here. Now, here me out. This all hinges on what defines a species. As I recall, it's the ability to breed amongst themselves. The Rikti's origin depends on how they reproduce then.

If they are born human and then altered in the womb/giant floaty tubes by the Lost mutagen. Then they are Science.

If they are natrual born Rikti. As in, Mommy Rikti + daddy Rikti = Baby Rikti. Then they're Natural.

And... I don't really know how you'd consider them Mutants. Mutants in this game rely on a quark of genetics to spark your powers. But that can't account for an entire RACE. Unless everyone of them had human parents and then developed identical mutations.

Yes, they WERE altered humans. But that was generations ago. At some point, you have to consider them their own species. You're not really a mutated human if your great-great-great-grandparents were the same as you. All the way down.

Now, of course. If we're going by where they get their POWERS from. Same deal. If radiation/psychic powers are within the norm for the species. It's natural. If we're only seeing the "heroes" of their world that developed mutations that caused their normal powers to go WAY beyond the norm. Well, that's Mutant. And lastly, if they're being altered to be faster/stronger/more psychic/etc. Then it's science.

It's really up the Manticore to deliver on some lore.


It should be noted however. According to CoH lore. There was no mutants before the atom was split. Apparently the act of a sentient being spiting an atom(Note, dogs and cats didn't develop powers(much)) And there's atoms being split all the time even inside the core of the Earth or in the upper-atmosphere. It was the act of a HUMAN splitting an atom that did something.

I doubt their point was that it caused world-wide genetic damage from radiation poisoning. More like... it upset some fundamental law of probability.

Under that reasoning, I don't consider it to have much of an impact on the lore of characters. At least until they friggin' explain themselves more.


 

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I wonder about the veracity about the claims of no mutants before atomic science. Like, maybe there were bucket loads of mutants, they just stayed in hiding due to the "World that fears and hates them" thing.
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Anyway, don't the Rikti Undergo a forceful Mutation thing as part of their cultural norms? Would'nt that make them science? or did I misunderstand that.


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