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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
If you want to purchase shinies, there are the costume packs.
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Originally Posted by Luminara
Translation matrix engaged.
"Dear NCSoft and development team, Despite my failure to keep my subscription active in order to qualify for veteran rewards, and thereby depriving you of between $30 and $45 for each three month period, I believe you should sell me those same rewards for $3, a discount of 90% or more, and allow me to access them immediately. The fact that everyone else has had to pay that $30-45 and wait for up to five and a half years for their veteran rewards should not, in any way, sway your decision. In short, gimme stuff, and thanks for being stupid, gullible and terrible at math and finances. Suckers. Love, BB" Translation matrix disengaged. No. |
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Okay. Let's get a "Veteran Reward Costume Pack" in the store ASAP, then.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
How about "no." For what should be an obvious reason.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
How about "no." For what should be an obvious reason.
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Veterans want their special parts and screw the rest of us?
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Now, what happens if the person who's stuck with the game for five years and gets these thank you bits suddenly sees a new, 0-month player with them? Not much of a thanks.
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| How about the person who buys them - they now no longer have any sort of reward, or "thanks for staying loyal" going for them. They're now self-screwed out of the entire program. |
| Then again, I don't see it as "screwing everyone else" when someone gets, say, a discount for being with the insurance company longer, gets extra days off due to seniority or whatnot. |
Although I stated in another thread on my support for vet costumes to be made earnable in-game through Invention recipe drops and such, I have no desire to allow accounts to buy in, even if they originally sub'd long ago. Vet rewards are to reward constant subscribers, not those players who deactivate subscriptions to spend sub money elsewhere for a time. The system was designed to reward loyal subscribers, not fair-weather fans.
As for the vet costumes - IMPO, earnable in-game as rare recipes? Yes. (Vets can still use them without finding or purchasing recipes and salvage per character, which is still rewarding). Purchasable by fair-weather fans who have the most disposable income? No.
| Veterans want their special parts and screw the rest of us? |
| Veterans get something for free other people pay for. |
| Seriously. Explain to me like I'm a five year old |
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Let's see. A person that has been playing for 5 years will have spent $900. USD playing the game.
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Here's the flaw in your logic. You view Veteran's Rewards as something you paid $900 for. In reality, you paid $900 for access to the game. You get the Veteran's Rewards for free.
If you paid for the Veteran's Rewards, then I or anyone else could pay the same amount and get the Veteran's Rewards. But since I cannot pay for them, then, logically, you have not paid for them either. Veteran's Rewards are not given to you because you paid for them. |
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Here's the flaw in your logic. You view Veteran's Rewards as something you paid $900 for.
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Veterans get something for free other people pay for.
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| Seriously. Explain to me like I'm a five year old: why do VR costume pieces have to remain exclusively VR? |
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Discounts and extra days off are nice veteran rewards. Exclusive costume pieces cannot be compared to discounts and extra days off. They are more akin to exclusive access - executive washrooms and what have you. Veterans only lunch rooms, snack machines, etc. With lunch choices not available to everyone else.
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Here's the flaw in your logic. You view Veteran's Rewards as something you paid $900 for. In reality, you paid $900 for access to the game. You get the Veteran's Rewards for free.
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On the "Let me buy veterans rewards thing:
No. Just no.
On the "Give non-veterans access to veterna costume pieces thing:
Yes! Costume pieces should equally obtainable by all players regardless of if they've been playing 6 months or 6 years.
Switch the vet costume pieces out with some other form of reward, and release all the vet costume pieces free to the player base.
(this is coming from a 57 month vet, so I already HAVE the costume pieces. )
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Originally Posted by BlackBellatrix
As far as I can tell, people don't pay upwards of $45 a month solely for Vet Rewards, they pay to access and play this great game.
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My 2 cents:
I wouldn't mind if they let people buy the veteran reward swag, so long as the veteran reward badges didn't come with it.
Time to drop the 'beating a dead horse' for 'beating your head against a wall'. The Devs appear to be 'dead set' against it; time to move on. I'd produce a Dev post stating such, but that doesnt seem to help when it is done.
Plenty of Vet Rewards I like, want, have, gonna get, and the converse. Patience builds character... and in this day and age of 'gotta have it NOW!'; we could use more characters (slots too!).
Of course, that is the reason my wife and I run "The Entitlements" Super Villain team of Kimmie MOAR and Ivannette NAO on Guardian. Everyone wants MOAR NAO in this game.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
My 2 cents:
I wouldn't mind if they let people buy the veteran reward swag, so long as the veteran reward badges didn't come with it. |
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Originally Posted by Thirty_Seven
Though I too think Luminara's post was priceless...
Would it be okay to have a pool of Vet rewards to pick from at each step? Say a Power Tier that includes all of the Vet Powers, a Costume Tier that includes all of the costume bits, etc. Then, whenever a costume or power is offered as a Vet Reward, one can CHOOSE which of the powers or costumes or whatever they want. That way, they would have the same number of rewards that they qualify for, and the same range of rewards (they wouldn't have all of the good Vet Rewards by 15 months...) but would still not have to wait as long if the only thing they really want is say, the Boxing Outfit. |
How about this solution ...?!
Players may buy Veteran's Rewards. The cost is $45 for whatever comes at each 3-month plateau, and they have to get each plateau in succession.
Thus, it would cost $2700 USD to get the 60-month Veteran's Reward.
Simple solution!
Players are happy because they've secured their swag. NCSoft is happy because they've gotten more money in hand.
By the way, Forbin Project, can I haz katnip kookiez too ... pleez? kthnx
Here's my two-cents.
It's hardly free stuff if you think about it. It's an odd $45 to run the game for three months. So if they did make them a micro transaction both parties would still be paying for the same stuff, but one might end up cheaper, thus slighting the other party.
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Originally Posted by Amerikatt
By the way, Forbin Project, can I haz katnip kookiez too ... pleez? kthnx
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Of course you can . . .
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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
an acceptable compromise, a token system is how i usually put it. have costume tokens happen at a certain level, a power token at another. maybe someone really wants samurai armor but dosent give a hang about trenchcoats, no argument with me. plus, this would free up the ability to add more costume pieces to the vet rewards without putting them in the realm of "are you kidding me" for newer players.
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