No...just...no...they aren't called veteran rewards for nothing...otherwise they would just be booster packs...
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*points to his start date* I only have 27 as well, and if I'd stayed subscribed, I'd be at 54 months. And I'm against it, because I understand the meaning of Veteran Rewards. You get them from time subscribed, not money paid, not anything else.
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Originally Posted by BlackBellatrix
I think that Veteran Rewards should be made purchasable. Something along the lines of $1 per month. (So, 3 per reward.)
As a caveat, however, you should only be able to get rewards up to your account purchase date. It would allow people who have had their accounts inactive for periods to make amends and get some of the rewards. Yeah, so my account was started April 18th, 2004 and I only have the 27 month vet reward... wanna fight about it? |
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Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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Originally Posted by BlackBellatrix
I think that Veteran Rewards should be made purchasable. Something along the lines of $1 per month. (So, 3 per reward.)
As a caveat, however, you should only be able to get rewards up to your account purchase date. It would allow people who have had their accounts inactive for periods to make amends and get some of the rewards. Yeah, so my account was started April 18th, 2004 and I only have the 27 month vet reward... wanna fight about it? |
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I still quite like my idea.
Yes the pool option has been bought up before BUT it's limited to a costume set/items only being selected when normally a costume option would be available (so 3, 6, 9, 15, 18, 21, 27, 30, 39 and 51 months) and a power option opening only when a power option would be available (12, 24, 33, 36, 42, 48, 54, 60, 63) all the other months offer a respec, a costume token or the +salvage/recipe slots.
Say a person wanted both the Blackwand AND the Nemesis staff, they'd still have to wait 2 years to get that and in the mean time they would have picked up wings, belly-tees/kilts, Samurai Armour and the Boxing set.
There's still carrots being dangled and that way the devs could simply keep adding stuff to the veteran rewards system without ever needing to stop it since there wouldn't be the complaints of people demanding the latest 'new shiney' because it's got a damn 5 year wait on their hands, they can pick it up at three months if they REALLY want it but that means they're missing out on something else they could want equally as much, it becomes a tough choice.
I honestly don't understand the resistance to this idea, sure some newbie could get wings at 3 months and someone who is a five year vet had to wait 15 months to get them but you know what, you STILL got five years worth of stuff over the newbie.
The second option is to add 'basic' versions of the vet rewards to the character creator (like they did with wings they added the tiny demon/angel wings while the big versions are vet reward only), that way people still have access to shorts and boxing gloves but only the vet reward ones look fancy and only the vet reward people have the championship belt.
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Geeze Red, it's one thing to beat a dead horse but do you have to repeatedly whack him in the pills? Shame on you Red. Shame shame shame.
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I've had to suspend my account due to personal issues; father's passing, mother's surgery, subsequent illnesses, my own surgery, unemployment, you NAME IT.
All in all, I still have my 39 month Vet. Reward. Had I kept it active, I'd have my 60-month by now.
Am I mad? No, because I'm technically 'NOT' a Veteran. I didn't pay for 60 months of time, and shouldn't be able to receive rewards for time not spent playing.
Veteran rewards demonstrate the dedication players have had to this game.
How belittling would it be to every single veteran in this game if the many things they have been given because of their long-standing loyalty are immediately rendered useless?
Unfortunately, I am just coming up on year two of subscribing to CoH (woohoo!). It means that there are many cool things I wish I had that veterans can do. I wish I could have a travel power at 6. I wish I had those little pet things. That extra storage seems nice too. I do envy those players, and I wish I had some of those cool things.
Sure, I'd be happy to throw money at CoH to get those things. But, that leaves the veterans of this game - the very players that ensured the game remained a success this long feeling a little disenfranchised, and that is hardly fair to them.
So, after a long sigh of wishful thinking, I have to agree with a vehement no.
Its funny to see another one of these threads pop up only to be tore to shreds.
Definitely don't want to allow purchase of vet rewards. They definitely need to stop doing more vet rewards because its starting to get to the point where there are certain ones that people probably won't be able to get - Due to the game being fairly old.
I kinda feel bad for the people who just found the game a couple months ago because they weren't around for the previous doses of marketing. But, at the end of the day, you will get the rewards eventually.
Making vet rewards one of the top reasons you play games is going to really disappoint you if you are just now starting to get into any game that has been established for a while - that's the main reasons I hate vet rewards in general.
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Not quite. You've demonstrated your loyalty by paying the company more money over a longer period of time than others. You haven't accomplished anything else but exactly that. If the same amount of money was paid to the company in the form of a catch-up program, then so be it.
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Originally Posted by ArcticFahx
You get them from time subscribed, not money paid, not anything else.
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Ya know if they ever came out with a CoX-2 I wouldn't object if they carried over these vet rewards and gave them to everyone that started the new game as purchase goodies, with a fresh new vet reward system for everyone to start on.
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Originally Posted by EmpireForgotten
Its funny to see another one of these threads pop up only to be tore to shreds.
Definitely don't want to allow purchase of vet rewards. They definitely need to stop doing more vet rewards because its starting to get to the point where there are certain ones that people probably won't be able to get - Due to the game being fairly old. I kinda feel bad for the people who just found the game a couple months ago because they weren't around for the previous doses of marketing. But, at the end of the day, you will get the rewards eventually. Making vet rewards one of the top reasons you play games is going to really disappoint you if you are just now starting to get into any game that has been established for a while - that's the main reasons I hate vet rewards in general. |
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Except that the money gotten over that longer period of time is what has kept the game going until now. THAT is what they are rewarding. Money paid during the time that the company needed it.
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Originally Posted by Thaumator
Not quite. You've demonstrated your loyalty by paying the company more money over a longer period of time than others. You haven't accomplished anything else but exactly that. If the same amount of money was paid to the company in the form of a catch-up program, then so be it.
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Which is exactly what Fahx said. The vets have invested TIME and no amount of money can be measured in TIME. None of the arguments presented in this thread address the issue about the amount of Time vets have invested in the game. The whole issue is that some people think they are unique snowflakes that deserve special treatment. They don't want to wait like everyone else did, they want to cut ahead in line.
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Originally Posted by Thaumator
Not quite. You've demonstrated your loyalty by paying the company more money over a longer period of time than others. You haven't accomplished anything else but exactly that.
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The dev's said no (before the vet program event went live I think).
They don't want money for vet rewards.
Why keep asking?
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
and no amount of money can be measured in TIME
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As a vet of CoX coming up on 5 years, I'm going to make my perspective clear to everyone. If a new player is willing to shell out $14.99 x the number of months in vet rewards that they want, it wouldn't bother me in the least
Knock yourself out, kid... you've got more money and less patience than I do.
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And if that player chooses to pay in advance the vet rewards will unlock every three months just like they did for everyone else.|
Originally Posted by Thaumator
Sure it can. It happens every single day, usually in the form of receiving money for doing your job (paying you for your time, and sometimes... your skills)
As a vet of CoX coming up on 5 years, I'm going to make my perspective clear to everyone. If a new player is willing to shell out $14.99 x the number of months in vet rewards that they want, it wouldn't bother me in the least Knock yourself out, kid... you've got more money and less patience than I do. |
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Not a bad idea - assuming we ever get CoH 2.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Ya know if they ever came out with a CoX-2 I wouldn't object if they carried over these vet rewards and gave them to everyone that started the new game as purchase goodies, with a fresh new vet reward system for everyone to start on.
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I'm still really against the whole idea of tangible rewards for MMOs strictly set on time payed. I would much rather have a system where you get tokens ever 3 months or something that can unlock specific items. They could be in-game related or out of game related. You could possibly redeem them for some CoH gear from the store, or maybe a badge. Maybe you could get a certain power or costume. Every three months, you can start a new concept character. With the system they have now, you might have to wait 3 years to start the concept character you would want.
I can see why people want to buy these vet rewards...but they're just going to have to deal with it. Its not going to happen without pissing a lot of people off. In all honesty, it would probably piss off more people than it would please.
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While I have never liked the idea of having costume pieces as vet rewards, I understand that at the time they created them they didn't have as many options available to offer us, and it seemed like a good idea for fluff items.
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Originally Posted by EmpireForgotten
Not a bad idea - assuming we ever get CoH 2.
I'm still really against the whole idea of tangible rewards for MMOs strictly set on time payed. I would much rather have a system where you get tokens ever 3 months or something that can unlock specific items. They could be in-game related or out of game related. You could possibly redeem them for some CoH gear from the store, or maybe a badge. Maybe you could get a certain power or costume. Every three months, you can start a new concept character. With the system they have now, you might have to wait 3 years to start the concept character you would want. I can see why people want to buy these vet rewards...but they're just going to have to deal with it. Its not going to happen without pissing a lot of people off. In all honesty, it would probably piss off more people than it would please. Just in case anyone whose keeping score can't tell from my posts (If anyone cares what my take on this issue is), you can throw me in the /no crowd. |
Does this thread make anyone else want to yell "I'm a vetrin!"
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Does this thread make anyone else want to yell "I'm a vetrin!"
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Anyway, I totally agree that vet rewards should not be purchased. As others have said it's not about the money it's about the time. The vet rewards at their core are a loyalty program. Loyalty does not equal money loyalty equals continual use of a product. I've said it before in similar threads it's akin to Frequent Flier miles. You can't pay for 25K miles worth of flight time in advance in one lump sum and expect to be elevated to Premier status on your next flight that for all the airline know will be the only flight you ever take with them. Over time that's a loss of money for them. You have to put in the time and actually prove you'll stick it out with them and user their product on a continual basis.
Vet Rewards are the same thing. How does NCSoft know that you won't just drop down the $900 to get all the veteran rewards, play one month, and then never come back? Now pay $900 over 60+ months and obviously you've put in the time and given them the continued business. It is about time and loyalty and in this case you can't put a price tag on that. Leave vet rewards as they are.
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Subscription money is for getting to play this game, and only for that. Vet rewards are not purchased.|
Originally Posted by Thaumator
Not quite. You've demonstrated your loyalty by paying the company more money over a longer period of time than others. You haven't accomplished anything else but exactly that. If the same amount of money was paid to the company in the form of a catch-up program, then so be it.
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Here's a real-life example: To be a veteran eligible for GI Bill benefits, you must serve in the military during a time of conflict. If your time in service was not during a time of conflict, you cannot get the GI Bill benefits anyway by purchasing them.
Some things are not about money. If you DO think everything is about money, you drank the corporate capitalist Kool-Aid.
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Now, if only the matter of purchaseable Veteran's Rewards was so easily negotiable!
To be honest the only thing that has me dragging my heels kicking and screaming is the time factor. I could care less about the money. If someone can come up with a compromise that addresses the issue about the length of time accounts are active that I can agree to, then I'll withdraw my objections.
Edit: And what the hell is it about happy cats, or even the idea of happy catgirl/catpeople that makes me happy? I seriously need to get an IV drip of some Bah Humbug stat.