Soooooooo, Ninjas are the next costume pack??
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Posted on: 2009-10-27 18:11 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Echonis
No doubt there would be a lot of bikes riding around... at least for a while. But the bike speed doesn't need to be much faster than run speed. Just like prestige sprints (which I seldom see used) it's just a different animation for run. More of a roleplaying bit than a useful power. Kind of like doing the robot dance
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Originally Posted by Tyger42
There's more to it than just a different animation. Making it work with all the body types, sizes, costume pieces, etc, etc without horrible clipping issues would be a huge undertaking. As has been shown in the past, just because it works on NPCs with limited numbers of scripted animations doesn't mean it'll work on PCs with a far wider range to be concerned with. The Bruiser summon is just a brief, scripted animation...
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True that. If Ghost Rider can make it work, I'm sure plenty here can.
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Originally Posted by Echonis
Ah, but by in large (speaking as a non-programer) I think the bikes themselves would be scaleable objects based on the body size of the toon. We see examples of that already in emotes and costume pieces. Obviously, we would want the front wheel to turn with our hands still on the handle bars. And of course, you have to be able to pop a wheely and maybe burnout. The booster packs are money makers though. I can't speak for everyone, but I have more than a couple natural and tech origin toons that could use a bike to improve their persona. $10.00 would be nothing to pay, especially if they gave us a handful of bikes to choose from. I suppose the only origin that a bike doesn't fit is magic, but even then... someone could probably come up with a story that works.
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You could bind the soul of a dead bike riding villain to their bike and gain their powers by using it.
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Originally Posted by StagnantSun
True that. If Ghost Rider can make it work, I'm sure plenty here can.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
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I'm not saying that nobody in the game does any of those things on the list. In fact I'm saying there ARE people that do ALL those things on the list, but the percent is so small that it's not worth doomsaying about and saying we shouldn't implement X because that's all anyone will do anymore.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
Actually, these three did happen, though it could be argued that the third one un-happened with Issue 16.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
Actually, these three did happen, though it could be argued that the third one un-happened with Issue 16.
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There are people who pay the monthly subscription fee to use the dance emotes?
The rest I understand, but just dancing....
What a world.
/em robotdance was a very very good part of the cyborg pack. I've made great use of the costume parts and would have bought it for them, but the dance definitely sold it for me. I do a lot of other stuff in game, but if a situation calls for dancing, The Ro-bot is pretty high up the list of choices.
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Go hang out under the Atlas Statue on Virtue Server. It's a popular RP spot, sure, but you'll typically see at least a few people just standing around using emotes without interacting with anyone (in or out of character).
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Originally Posted by wei yau
wait...what?
There are people who pay the monthly subscription fee to use the dance emotes? The rest I understand, but just dancing.... What a world. |
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I picked up the Valkyrie and the Magic packs, but I passed on the cyborg and science packs because I thought their offerings and bonus powers weren't useful enough. There is so much more that could have been done with science, in particular. Focusing it on mad scientists was an error, in my view. I would have preferred to see a greater emphasis upon sci-fi elements.
Similarly, while I'm happy to see more martial arts / ninja stuff coming available, I'd also like to see more costume support for other types of natural toons, like soldiers, cowboys, pirates, and barbaric / native toons.
Yes, we already have certain things available, but there are always some good things that are missing. Like a 5th Column (Nazi-style) helmet. Or a spiked Kaiser type helmet (or at least the option to add a spike to an existing helmet). And there's conquistador and gladiator helmets, etc.
As for barbaric / native styles, we don't have much (aside from the African-ish shield and some horns/helmets), and could benefit from looting the BP artwork. A few choices for loin cloth would be good, for example. Maybe a wolf's head helmet? More bracelet / bracer / arm cuff options would be good. Earrings could be added to ear models. A couple different models of fur cape would be nice (pelt, fur trim, different fur type textures, etc.). Maybe a fur vest. Some pieces of modern or retro Native American wear would also be great, like adding fringe to leather pants and jackets, leather moccasins, etc. (If fringe can be added to anything other than capes.) Some sort of backpack, quiver, scabbard, etc. could be good as well.
I don't think we have a shotgun model for AR yet, or other antique guns (cowboy pistol, flintlock pistol, arquebus, WW1 rifle, etc.), which - if nothing else - would be nice to be able to plug into MA for NPC use.
As for the ninja "stand-still stealth" power some have mentioned as being part of the booster ... it's hard for me to see a use for it. In PvE we're almost always advancing on stationary foes, so you can't use it there. And outside of a wandering patrol, moving foes will normally be aggroed and see you, or hit you with aoes and expose you. And even if you used stealth to stand near a moving patrol and their perception failed to detect you ... what advantage does this power give aside from being able to let them pass by?
So if we do get the "stand-still stealth," I have to assume it is just intended as an emote, basically a variation on the alakazamreact.
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If we can get a dance with the natural booster, I vote for an Irish jig.|
Originally Posted by craggy
/em robotdance was a very very good part of the cyborg pack. I've made great use of the costume parts and would have bought it for them, but the dance definitely sold it for me. I do a lot of other stuff in game, but if a situation calls for dancing, The Ro-bot is pretty high up the list of choices.
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Then we can line up in Atlas and do a "Riverdance."
Ninja MMs vs Pirate themed Ill Controllers.
GO GO GO!!!!
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You can't see it but I'm flipping you off right now. |
Originally Posted by Dispari
What kinda gang signs can you make while wearing mittens?
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Hopefully we'll get the double sword backpiece that the jounin mm pets get. Then my Katana stalker's back won't be sore anymore from storing his sword in his back as he evidently does right now lol.
Ninjas? I suppose it could be worse.
I was kinda hoping for SWAT or Army items.
Can't wait to see what mutant brings either. Because I have no clue what that will even bring.
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If they could just do a little love for naturals re: travel powers with this pack, that'd be AWESOME.
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Originally Posted by Echonis
 And I was so hoping for something like this. Similar in function to the prestige sprints, but a motorcycle or some vehicle that a 'natural' hero would be likely to use. I guess a motorcycle could be ninja in a Spike Lee sort of way. I also thought the in-game temp power flight and jump packs would be cool for a natural booster pack. Strictly as a costume piece of course. A lot I could do with a raptor pack or Goldbricker pack. Oh well. |
To: all the people promoting the idea of motorcycles:
How's it gonna handle jumping?
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It would jump as high as you can jump - so if you have Hurdle, you'll go a bit higher |
Originally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
To: all the people promoting the idea of motorcycles:
How's it gonna handle jumping? |
But Super Jump won't count
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Someone's never seen stunt bikers, have they?|
Originally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
To: all the people promoting the idea of motorcycles:
How's it gonna handle jumping? |
My motorcyclist toon will jump the shark.
I would also want an "Instant Death, even to yourself" proc IO to slot into a damage aura so I can have a light cycle!
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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Sooo.... stunt bikers can jump straight into the air without any sort of outside momentum?
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Someone's never seen stunt bikers, have they?
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id be more interested in how it strafes straight to the left or right, never saw a motorcycle do that. in other words, dont bet on it.
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That's one of the problems when these things come up. People think "Bike!" and assume that forward run is all you'll ever do, but if it can't strafe and turn on a dime, it'd be a pretty crappy travel power, and if it CAN, it'd be a very SILLY travel power. Bikes and other vehicles need an entire new subsystem to handle them. You can't just plop down a bike and expect regular in-game running to handle that.
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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
id be more interested in how it strafes straight to the left or right, never saw a motorcycle do that. in other words, dont bet on it.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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if we keep bikes out (still!) because of the absurdity of them simply being a replacement for running (which I don't think we should, I wouldn't mind it too much) then how about adding in a Unicycle? surely that'd work ok?
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If we get unicycles I want balloon weapons!
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Originally Posted by craggy
if we keep bikes out (still!) because of the absurdity of them simply being a replacement for running (which I don't think we should, I wouldn't mind it too much) then how about adding in a Unicycle? surely that'd work ok?
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