I really hope the set includes alternative 'plain' animations that don't look so "we-tried-way-too-hard-to-make-it-flashy"
Sometimes a gunslinger is just a guy who pulls the trigger, not an enthusiastic ballerina
Looks very nice. I share some of the same concerns as other posters like cast times, and having a "plain" option that isn't so flashy....but over all it looks great.
I'm still hoping Blasters get a new secondary to go along with Dual Pistols. I plan on rolling a evil DP blaster when GR goes live, but I wish their was a Blaster secondary that gave a little more survivability instead of more damage. Even just a martial arts secondary would be great, but what if there was a natural secondary that just boosted your speed, accuracy, total HP, defense, and resistance...but the kicker is the defense and resistance toggles would have a damage debuff component to keep balance. The more toggles you have on to improve your survivability, the less damage your attacks do. Just an idea...seems like it would be fun to play with and use differently in different situations.
Anyways...DP looks very nice.
I talked to the devs quite a bit about it. Dual pistols has a lot of very speedy attacks. The pbaoe is it's tier 9, no it does not have an end crash, similar to rain of and fullauto.
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I talked to the devs quite a bit about it. Dual pistols has a lot of very speedy attacks. The pbaoe is it's tier 9, no it does not have an end crash, similar to rain of and fullauto.
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Judging also by how often it was used, it'll be the lowest damaging "mini-nuke" but also the fastest recharging. Seems like Dual Pistols might be exactly what I expected: "the Claws of ranged sets: Fast, cheap attacks that recharge quickly."
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
Maybe I missed it but where or when was it said you could switch ammo on the fly? The only thing regarding the ammo I saw in the video said you choose your ammo type upon character creation. Did they say something about a "Switch ammo" button? If that is so, how would the secondary effects be handled? Would you be able to slot for the -def effect (if it exists for the lethal rounds)? And what about the defense debuff procs or any other procs/IOs for other secondary effects like the cryo round's slow. |
Sure it sucks if you have an effect you'd like to bump up, but it also prevents people from wasting slots for enhancements they only get use from some of the time.
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Interesting. I thought as much.
Judging also by how often it was used, it'll be the lowest damaging "mini-nuke" but also the fastest recharging. Seems like Dual Pistols might be exactly what I expected: "the Claws of ranged sets: Fast, cheap attacks that recharge quickly." |
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Man, it never fails, does it? We see six attacks from a new powerset, and immediately there are people who say it'll suck and people who say it'll be an exploit. People. We have nothing to go on other than what we saw, and we didn't see any numbers at all.
The set looks cool. What more do you expect to learn from a tech demo?
Well, other than it apparently has Aim in it, which is good.
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Well, other than it apparently has Aim in it, which is good.
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Pistol nuke the haters!!!!
With a gun, its all about looking cool! I did NOT want another standard AR animation set which you just stand there and shoot!
Im already planning on doing an /e backflip followed by some of the attacks on that video.
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Oh, so that was the t9 power. I kind of assumed it'd be the equivalent of typhoon's edge for dual blades. All is well with me, then. I'm thinking pistols/kinetics corrupter would be pretty satisfying.
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I'm a bit curious about the recharge on it myself. It seems unlikely that it has a 60second base recharge like RoA or FA, since the gap between it's first two uses was only ~24seconds (there was a gap of 27seconds between activations, with about 3seconds being the power's animation), and Hasten was not used by the character. There's no way to know what the power's slotting was though, or what, if any, set bonuses the character had, so it might still be.|
Originally Posted by Enamel_32
Oh, so that was the t9 power. I kind of assumed it'd be the equivalent of typhoon's edge for dual blades. All is well with me, then. I'm thinking pistols/kinetics corrupter would be pretty satisfying.
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Edit: Also, totally going with a DP/Traps Corruptor fighting for the resistance (then going to hero side).
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Oh, so that was the t9 power. I kind of assumed it'd be the equivalent of typhoon's edge for dual blades. All is well with me, then. I'm thinking pistols/kinetics corrupter would be pretty satisfying.
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Only if we can change fulcrum shift to something like "trained focus".
Now if there was ONLY a power to slow down time . . . . .
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Or the same super powers that he used to change the day/night cycle also give his powers 0 recharge (debug mode).
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I'm a bit curious about the recharge on it myself. It seems unlikely that it has a 60second base recharge like RoA or FA, since the gap between it's first two uses was only ~24seconds (there was a gap of 27seconds between activations, with about 3seconds being the power's animation), and Hasten was not used by the character. There's no way to know what the power's slotting was though, or what, if any, set bonuses the character had, so it might still be.
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It does?
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Or the same super powers that he used to change the day/night cycle also give his powers 0 recharge (debug mode).
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Indeed. I think that's what leads some people in the audience to shout out "Punch it!" at the very end (right before he finishes off the last clockwork).
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Originally Posted by Oliin
Possible, but I doubt it somewhat. You can hear that little noise the game makes when you try and use a power that's not recharged rather a bit when you listen to the demo. Especially towards the end there.
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Who knows, it's certainly not one of the buffs they fired off in the demo though.
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So if somebody's got information that DP does have Aim, it'd be new news. For now though, I'm currently going on the assumption that Change Ammo is replacing Aim in the set.
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Not keen on an aim-less blast set. Though it is really pretty.
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Yeah. I pointed that out in the Hero-Con thread.
So if somebody's got information that DP does have Aim, it'd be new news. For now though, I'm currently going on the assumption that Change Ammo is replacing Aim in the set. |
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After seeing Dual Pistols in action, all I can say is when the heck is Going Rogue going to come out!?
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Regardless of dev mode or not, it could also simply be that since this was a demo version of the game, they just tweaked the recharge numbers down such that it's just short but not immediate.|
Originally Posted by Oliin
Who knows, it's certainly not one of the buffs they fired off in the demo though.
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Or even more likely, the recharge numbers are "regular" and they simply have a power that automagically refreshes all powers' cooldown timers to usable.
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Originally Posted by Failsight
Or even more likely, the recharge numbers are "regular" and they simply have a power that automagically refreshes all powers' cooldown timers to usable.
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What folks saw in the video may or may-not be what we end up with though. I'd guess most likely not ... darn tweaking and testing.
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Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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Wow. Impressive to say the least.
Dual Pistols, you had me at tier 9. You had me at tier 9.\
welp, time to figure out what to pair it with. Or, I just make a DP/Kin corr.
I don't think I have a corr. It's been a while. No wait, yes I do. An Ice/Kin Corr. Forgot all about her. Way to many chars, I don't remember em once they hit 50 and the shelf.
Well, I can say, it would be a set I would play as a blaster and Corr.
And Demon Summoning, have to have the MMs. I love my MMs.
I love them all.
Except Defenders. Defenders I don't. Useless creatures those defenders.
And don't get your panties in a bunch... yes you... you reading this right now with your panties wadding up as you're reading...
I was just kidding. Sheesh.
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Maybe I missed it but where or when was it said you could switch ammo on the fly? The only thing regarding the ammo I saw in the video said you choose your ammo type upon character creation. Did they say something about a "Switch ammo" button? If that is so, how would the secondary effects be handled? Would you be able to slot for the -def effect (if it exists for the lethal rounds)? And what about the defense debuff procs or any other procs/IOs for other secondary effects like the cryo round's slow.