Mission Architect: 2009 Player Awards! Voting


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Ok here are two more votes from me.

Best Comedy:
Verner von Grun's Extraordinary Extradimensional Excursions #115174 @Igor Blimey
Captain Dynamic, the Great, Faces the Great Face #190069 @Aehaed

Best Short Arc:
Becky's Revenge #60197 @New Age Ronin
Celebrity Kidnapping #1388 @PW


 

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Haven't had time to play all the nominated arcs, unfortunately, but I've played a few, so here goes:

Best SO Level Arc (25 - 40):

1st) Teen Phalanx Forever! (#67335)

Best Serious Arc:

1st) Karmic Exchange (#47550) - at least I know I'll get one vote
2nd) Turg Fiction: Ghost In The Machine Act I (#1013)


 

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Originally Posted by Dalghryn View Post
Fair enough. I was going to abstain, but when in Rome...
Well if everyone else is going to have license to cheat then...

Best use of Mechanics
1st Choice: Macguffin Delivery Service #1567 @Lazarus
2nd Choice: The Beating Heart of Astoria: A Play in Five Acts #170547 @The Cheshire Cat

Best Multi-Part Arc (2+ arcs)
1st Choice: The Consequences of War Part 1 #227331 and Part 2 #241496 @Dalghryn
2nd Choice: The Lost Choir #123675, 136959, 141011 @MrSquid


 

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It's not cheating. It's perfectly fair to consider your own arc better than the other nominees. I feel more along the lines that it's cheating to force someone to vote for someone else's arc and take themselves one step further from winning.


 

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Originally Posted by Bubbawheat View Post
It's not cheating. It's perfectly fair to consider your own arc better than the other nominees. I feel more along the lines that it's cheating to force someone to vote for someone else's arc and take themselves one step further from winning.
It'd make more sense then to require that nominees abstain from voting in the category that they were nominated in, which is what many of us presumed was the case until you said otherwise.


 

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Categories I've finished playing (prequalified and shortlisted) so far:

Serious
1st: The Storyteller: Sabrina's Tale #1237 @Redbone1
2nd: Tales of Croatoa: A Rose By Any Other Name #178774 @Silvers1

Mechanics
1st: Speeding Through Time # 51728 @Geek_Boy
2nd: The Next War on Drugs #245042 @arachnodragon

Comedy
1st: In Poor Taste #259920 @Wrong Number
2nd: Seeking Men #169114 @Fatare

As noted often by others, arcs that missed the shortlists are still 5-star quality! Try: Constantinople Jones' Family Secret #91838 @Hero2 for its ingenious mechanics in a single mission; Aeon's Nemesis #161865 @Darkonne for its exceptional plot, and subtle humour; and LOST DOG #9882 @6x, for spacey, kid-friendly humour. There's lots more I'm forgetting - link to the original nominations post here.

There's another comedy nomination that I recommend very highly too. But I've been taught not to laugh at my own jokes. Don't let it stop you .



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Originally Posted by Lazarus View Post
It'd make more sense then to require that nominees abstain from voting in the category that they were nominated in, which is what many of us presumed was the case until you said otherwise.
That's pretty much what I assumed (Though I haven't played most of the arcs in the categories I'm nominated so I wouldn't have voted until I gave them all a go anyway).

I think the issue with voting for one's self is that it kind of makes nominees feel like they HAVE to vote for themselves to stay competitive - personally I'd feel dirty voting for myself because hell, I might think my arc is the best (And probably do - My arcs are awesome!), but I'm biased so I'm not really the best person to judge that. It's usually best to just remove any conflict of interest involved - there's enough categories that nominees can still put out lots of votes without hitting their own categories.


Astoria in D Minor, a horror arc. Arc ID: 41565 - The Beating Heart of Astoria: A Play in Five Acts. Arc ID: 170547 - Ignition of the Machine, a story with robots. Arc ID: 318983
Captain Skylark Shadowfancy and the Tomorrownauts of Today. Arc ID: 337333 - Signal:Noise, where is everybody? Arc ID: 341194
@The Cheshire Cat - Isn't it enough to know I ruined a pony making a gift for you?

12 second horror stories - a writing experiment.

 

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Originally Posted by The_Cheshire_Cat View Post
I think the issue with voting for one's self is that it kind of makes nominees feel like they HAVE to vote for themselves to stay competitive
Exactly and it's what 99% of people will do anyways when it's allowed.

If you can't vote for the category at all then you don't take anything away from yourself. However if people are allowed to give themselves a free vote then there is little incentive to not do so for yourself.


 

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And so far

Voted for themselves 1st place: 5
Voted for themselves 2nd place: 1 (I plan on voting myself second as well)
Didn't vote for themselves: 1


 

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My vote for best use of mechanics are below. I found this category to be pretty hard to decide, as all the arcs have some pretty cool tricks as well as just being good arcs in general.

The Next War on Drugs #245042 @arachnodragon
The Beating Heart of Astoria: A Play in Five Acts #170547 @The Cheshire Cat


A Penny For Your Thoughts #348691 <- Dev's Choice'd by Dr. Aeon!
Submit your MA arc for review & my arcs thread

 

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Originally Posted by Lazarus View Post
Exactly and it's what 99% of people will do anyways when it's allowed.

If you can't vote for the category at all then you don't take anything away from yourself. However if people are allowed to give themselves a free vote then there is little incentive to not do so for yourself.
If you don't vote yourself and other people in the same category do, you are down 2 points to the ones you don't vote for and 4 points for the one you pick as first and 3 for the one you pick as second.

I hate the idea of voting for myself, but one time in a contest at a convention I lost to the person I voted for who also voted for herself. Had she voted for anyone but herself I would have won. It was annoying and it made me feel like a sucker. Classic nice guys(or girls) finish last.

I prefer the rules were that you can't vote for yourself, but you can.


WN


Check out one of my most recent arcs:
457506 - A Very Special Episode - An abandoned TV, a missing kid's TV show host and more
416951 - The Ms. Manners Task Force - More wacky villains, Wannabes. things in poor taste

or one of my other arcs including two 2010 Player's Choice Winners and an2009 Official AE Awards Nominee for Best Original Story

 

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I know I didn't do myself any favors voting myself second place, but I like anacrhrodragon's better and it won't hurt my feelings to lose. Especially if it's to an arc that I think exemplifies the category in question better than mine does.


 

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I'm not going to weigh in on this because I think the entire argument smacks of rude, since Bubbawheat (and friends) have gone to extraordinary lengths to make these awards special for all of us. Whether or not I agree with that decision, or any of the mechanics behind this contest, I feel owe it to Bubba to be absolutely supportive.

I'm not meaning to be a Pollyanna, or to necessarily be critical of people that have weighed in on it. That's just the perspective I'm coming from.


The SOLUS Foundation - a Liberty and Pinnacle SG

"The Consequences of War" - Arcs # 227331 and 241496

 

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Originally Posted by Dalghryn View Post
I'm not going to weigh in on this because I think the entire argument smacks of rude, since Bubbawheat (and friends) have gone to extraordinary lengths to make these awards special for all of us. Whether or not I agree with that decision, or any of the mechanics behind this contest, I feel owe it to Bubba to be absolutely supportive.

I'm not meaning to be a Pollyanna, or to necessarily be critical of people that have weighed in on it. That's just the perspective I'm coming from.
If you are talking about my post, you are taking my post the wrong way. I am just pointing out how not voting for yourself when it is in the rules will impact your chances of winning.

BTW, I am one of the judges that helped Bubba and totally 100% supportive of the 2009 Player's Choice.


WN


Check out one of my most recent arcs:
457506 - A Very Special Episode - An abandoned TV, a missing kid's TV show host and more
416951 - The Ms. Manners Task Force - More wacky villains, Wannabes. things in poor taste

or one of my other arcs including two 2010 Player's Choice Winners and an2009 Official AE Awards Nominee for Best Original Story

 

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I wasn't pointing any fingers. It's been a very civil discussion. I just don't want to be critical, even constructively, of Bubba and company (that'd include you and everyone else that have helped him). Any argument that says anything along the lines of, "Well, it's wrong that people can vote for their own arc," no matter how well worded, is saying Bubba was wrong. I'm not dissing people that go there, I just don't want to be one of them.


The SOLUS Foundation - a Liberty and Pinnacle SG

"The Consequences of War" - Arcs # 227331 and 241496

 

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Originally Posted by Lazarus View Post
It'd make more sense then to require that nominees abstain from voting in the category that they were nominated in, which is what many of us presumed was the case until you said otherwise.

Lol I must be some kind of ubernaive, I just assumed that nobody would vote for their own out of, er, I don't know, some kind of 'that just wouldn't be cricket, what?' type attitude.

I think The Audition is really excellent in loads of ways, but the reason i haven't voted for the Multi-arc category yet is cos i was torn so much for my second place between Turg Fiction and The Lost Choir.

However, I guess that if i can vote for myself, then their loss is, er, CoW's gain?

MULTI-ARC CATEGORY

First place: The Consequences of War Part 1 #227331 and Part 2 #241496 @Dalghryn

Second Place: The Audition Part 1 #221240 and Part 2 #221241 @MRCaptainMan


See, allowing me to vote for my own arc also lets me sort of use my vote to give an extra bit of oomph to the arc I think is the best in this category. Obviously, picking CoW for first place means I want it to win more than any other arc in the category. By picking my own arc for second place, I'm depriving Turg or MrSquid of a point that could give them the gold over CoW. Which doesn't seem fair, tbh, but I can also justify it by thinking that I wouldn't mind winning either, and giving myself a point can't do any harm there. I guess it depends on the reasoning behind voting. Am I rating based on my opinion of the arcs' quality, or on which arc I want to see awarded?


I'd like this particular rule amended somehow for the 2010 Player Awards. Otherwise, it'll just become a standard that nominees vote for themselves...well, if they want to win, I guess.

Or maybe an alternative rating system could be used! Maybe we could have a fixed number of final arcs, say 4, and every voter HAS to rank all four in order, best to last, 1 to 4. That would be interesting.

It's all very intriguing, I can't wait to see who gets the glory and bunting and parades etc.

Eco.


MArcs:

The Echo, Arc ID 1688 (5mish, easy, drama)
The Audition, Arc ID 221240 (6 mish, complex mech, comedy)
Storming Citadel, Arc ID 379488 (lowbie, 1mish, 10-min timed)

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TO range arc

#1. Nuclear in 90: The Fusionette Task Force (just saying that makes me want an Up-and-Away burger. Darn you Pavlov!)
#2. Mercytown, the one with the fish (loved Krylov and his obsession with super soldiers!)

DO range arc

#1. The Invasion of the Bikini-Clad Samurai Vampiresses from Outer Space! ("Destroy..." "Destroy... (You stole my line, dude!)" .... hilarious!!)
#2. Ctrl + Alt + Reset (I first played this very early on under the "Time Loop" name, played it again recently and it seems much more polished)

SO range arc

abstain (I know the rules allow and even encourage you to vote for your own arc, but my personal sensibilities do not allow for this; I understand this puts me at a disadvantage. I'm OK with it.)

Epic level arc

abstain

Short arc

abstain

Multi-Part arc

#1. The Lost Choir (insanely epic with world-shattering scope)
#2. The Consequences of War (a terrific war drama)

Best use of Mechanics

#1. The Next War on Drugs (forensics mission is very technically impressive)
#2. Macguffin Delivery Service (really like the pawn shop breakin and the fence meet-up)



(Haven't played enough of the Serious/Comedy nominees to have a reasonable opinion yet.)


@PW - Police Woman (50 AR/dev blaster on Liberty)
TALOS - PW war journal - alternate contact tree using MA story arcs
=VICE= "Give me Liberty, or give me debt!"

 

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When I do the results post, I'll be looking at as many statistics as I can. I'm tracking 4 different types of ways to calculate final winners based on two picks (first pick only, first and second pick equal, first pick 2 points - second pick 1 point, first pick 3 points - second pick 2 points) I'll also look at how voting for yourself impacted the vote, and any other things that come to mind between now and then.


 

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My vote for the best SO level arc:

1) Teen Phalanx Forever! #67335 @PW
2) Astoria in D Minor # 41565 @The Cheshire Cat


Jail.Bird

 

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Originally Posted by PoliceWoman View Post
SO range arc
abstain (I know the rules allow and even encourage you to vote for your own arc, but my personal sensibilities do not allow for this; I understand this puts me at a disadvantage. I'm OK with it.)
But you can still vote for someone else in your category. This is a heroic genre after all. I found plenty worth voting for in Comedy.

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Originally Posted by Dalghryn
I'm not meaning to be a Pollyanna, or to necessarily be critical of people that have weighed in on it. That's just the perspective I'm coming from.
Wahh! And I thought you were a guy! The internet can be so deceptive!



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This just keeps getting harder and harder. All the nominated arcs for SO Range (25-40) were fantastic.

Teen Phalanx Forever! #67335 @PW--5/5 Stars. Very good job on the custom characters of the Teen Phalanx team and the Vahzilok Brides. Hard to find something to say that hasn't already been said about this arc which is just so perfect. Still can't believe this one didn't win the Hero Con contest.

Polar Emergence neutral Government User Interface Network (PENGUIN) #29205 @Tubbius--5/5 Stars. Deeply enjoyed all the deadpan silliness. Reminded me a bit of the old Batman tv series for some reason. Love anything involving the Winter Horde and we do not get to see them enough in game.

Astoria in D Minor # 41565 @The Cheshire Cat--5/5 Stars. Freakiest horror type story ever! Gave me chills more than once. Just a brutal story. One person I played it with made the comment that one should never have to lead an escort out without fighting something as happens in one of the earlier missions. Not sure I completely agree with that as I have a similar thing in one of my missions that involves a kidnapping on a small map but you might want to throw in an ambush to go with it if possible. This is another one for which I was shocked when it didn't win its category in the Dev contest.

Escalation #6143 @FemFury--4/5 Stars. A very fun arc. The body jumping idea is a brilliant one and well executed. The bot dialog was excellent and fun to read. It comes so close to my idea of a perfect arc with its extremely challenging minions and an archvillian or hero that requires a real effort to defeat. Not to mention that the AV was just a plain unforgettable character. The last map is truly awesome and I can't believe I never noticed that one in the mission editor! If I had to give one negative criticism it would be that there wasn't more of a variety of different types of minions to fight. Maybe the author could throw in some random villainous looters or something?

Also found this arc impossible to finish with full team of mid to low level toons (Super Sk'ed to 26) because the boss showed up as a +4 AV when the team leader's difficulty was set to +0 and a lot of us were still on TO or DO enhancements. When I later soloed it the final boss was only a +1 EB (which is what my difficulty was set too) and so while very hard was just barely doable for my un-purpled out level 50 PB and I wouldn't want her to be any weaker because of what an enjoyable challenge it was. So I don't know what if anything can be done about this.

Twisted Tongue #1444 @Days--4/5 Stars. Going in I was afraid with only Freakshow to fight that it would be a bit monotonous and also suffer in comparison to OMG! It's Lolbat, the recent guest author arc with a similar plot, which I greatly enjoyed playing but it turned out to be different enough to deserve to be evaluated on its own merits. I really liked the long-winded professor contact and the contact's text throughout the arc.

Nice choice of an unusual map for first mission that the Devs should really expand a bit to have some more room as well as some spawn points on upper floor. The mission entry pop for the 2nd mission is a nice little touch and an excellent example of the high quality of the text present through the whole arc as it establishes that you've been searching for the students for a while with just a couple of lines. Final map is also one of my favorites. Thought I saw an inapropriate X-rated joke in one part of it but who can tell really? Damn the author for actually making me understand Leet speak!

Typo alert: Second mission Contact's still busy text need to be redone as part of it makes no sense. The final description text for the Genius boss should end in a question mark, no?

Now for the impossible choices.

BEST SO LEVEL ARC (25-40)

1st Place--Astoria in D Minor # 41565 @The Cheshire Cat
2nd Place--Polar Emergence neutral Government User Interface Network (PENGUIN) #29205 @Tubbius


 

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This is another tough one for me, all the arcs are extremely well done, but I'm going to have to make my vote for Best Use of Mechanics:

1st: The Next War on Drugs - best non-combat mission I've played, and I have played more than one. Also great chaining throughout the arc.
2nd: MacGuffin Delivery Service - First partly non-combat mission I've played, and also great use of chaining throughout the arc.

I was going to avoid posting my thoughts on the arcs to avoid influencing voters, but I don't think what I say will really influence anyone that much.

Grim Riddles: Excellent concept with a nice hook that follows throughout the arc. Though it's a single mechanic used throughout.
Speeding Through Time: A memorable use of mechanics in mission 3, though the rest are fairly straightforward.
The Beating Heart of Astoria: Very nice use of spawning to chain dialog, and excellent story. My two votes just barely edged this one out. Also, I'm likely going to be voting for Cheshire in his other category.


 

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And another group completed as well: Best DO range arc:

1st: Invasion of the Bikini-clad Vampiresses from Outer Space (Didn't catch the first mission, but it still grabbed my attention enough to win me over, even above my own arc)
2nd: Sibling Rivalry (Fun arc, and also because I can't completely remove it from the fact that it's inspired and partly written by an 8 year old)

I was going to vote for myself, but I decided I'd rather give the inf away than possibly keep it for myself.


 

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Originally Posted by Irresponsible View Post
Also found this arc impossible to finish with full team of mid to low level toons (Super Sk'ed to 26) because the boss showed up as a +4 AV when the team leader's difficulty was set to +0 and a lot of us were still on TO or DO enhancements. When I later soloed it the final boss was only a +1 EB (which is what my difficulty was set too) and so while very hard was just barely doable for my un-purpled out level 50 PB and I wouldn't want her to be any weaker because of what an enjoyable challenge it was. So I don't know what if anything can be done about this.
AVs are spawning at weird levels all over, although this is the first time I've heard of one spawning at +4 for a team set to +0. There's nothing the author can do about it.


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Originally Posted by Bubbawheat View Post
The Beating Heart of Astoria: Very nice use of spawning to chain dialog, and excellent story. My two votes just barely edged this one out. Also, I'm likely going to be voting for Cheshire in his other category.
I think the reason it was nominated was for the escort trick in the end. To be honest, I'm not really sure why, I've never really thought of this as being a "Mechanically complex" arc at all; it's just got the one trick that apparently nobody else did.


Astoria in D Minor, a horror arc. Arc ID: 41565 - The Beating Heart of Astoria: A Play in Five Acts. Arc ID: 170547 - Ignition of the Machine, a story with robots. Arc ID: 318983
Captain Skylark Shadowfancy and the Tomorrownauts of Today. Arc ID: 337333 - Signal:Noise, where is everybody? Arc ID: 341194
@The Cheshire Cat - Isn't it enough to know I ruined a pony making a gift for you?

12 second horror stories - a writing experiment.