Notes on new team difficulty settings

Either this thing is truly random or that's a good start for getting to the bottom of it.

Ouro has yielded the same gawd-awful results for me as "real-time" missions.


Grasping at straws here...

-What "add-on's" do you have on that account?
Science pack? Magic pack? Good-Evil? etc.

-Are you earning xp?
-Do you have the Chronologist dayjob badge (the one for a Mission Complete recipe bonus)?
-Does your toon "wear" a badge title? (e.g., Gearsmasher, Hero of the City, etc.)

>-What "add-on's" do you have on that account?

DVD edition, Good vs. Evil Edition, Wedding Pack. That's it I think.

>-Are you earning xp?

...at level 50?

>-Do you have the Chronologist dayjob badge (the one for a Mission Complete recipe bonus)?

The badge? Yes. The actual power? No.

>-Does your toon "wear" a badge title? (e.g., Gearsmasher, Hero of the City, etc.)[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but I don't remember which one on that particular character. I'm leaving for the next four hours, I can check then.

Unai's Freaks map 0/8/n/n, SG mode, Saved Mission

Script didn't recognize that Bosses were Lts and it should have given 1209 minion equivalents instead of 1358, but even with that drop rate is still lower than expected

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Archie Gremlin's Drop Stats v0.3.1
http://www.glasspaw.com/dropstats/
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Type   DropRate Drops Expected  Mobs
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Pool A    1.10%    15    26-50  1358 minion equivalents
Salvage   5.71%    68   78-115  1192 minion equivalents
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(Table excludes mobs of unknown rank and their drops.)
(1 in 20 runs will be outside the expected range.)
784 rewarding mobs defeated
  149 bosses and elite bosses
  276 lieutenants
  359 minions
  0 pets and 5 greys
784 inf/debt rewards
  1413202 inf
19249 prestige
15 Pool A recipes (Mob Defeats)
  2 uncommon and rare recipes
    Crushing Impact: Acc/Dam/Rech (Recipe)
    Perfect Zinger: Taunt (Recipe)
  13 common recipes
68 salvage
  4 rare
  9 uncommon
  55 common
11 single origin enhancements
1 inspirations (0 tier 3, 0 tier 2, 1 tier 1, 0 special)

I ran Demon ship from Tavish Bell twice. Settings 0/8/n/n, SG mode, Saved Mission
1st run: 5 recipes, 28 salvage, 4 SOs
2nd run: 10 recipes, 17 salvage, 2 SOs

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Archie Gremlin's Drop Stats v0.3.1
http://www.glasspaw.com/dropstats/
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INFORMATION - Couldn't identify the rank of any mobs. Skipping drop rates.
412 rewarding mobs defeated
  0 bosses and elite bosses
  0 lieutenants
  0 minions
  412 rewarding mobs of unknown rank
    Burn Protector (38)
    Possessed Scientist (374) failed heuristic rank check
418 inf/debt rewards
  906186 inf
12008 prestige
15 Pool A recipes (Mob Defeats)
  3 uncommon and rare recipes
    Extreme Measures: Dam/Int/Rech (Recipe)
    Kinetic Crash : Recharge/Endurance (Recipe)
    Nightmare: Acc/Fear/Rech (Recipe)
  12 common recipes
45 salvage
  0 rare
  9 uncommon
  36 common
6 single origin enhancements
64 inspirations (0 tier 3, 21 tier 2, 43 tier 1, 0 special)

Good stuff...and I expect you to post some data before you head home for the evening.

Now, Kitteh.... be reasonable... he can post after he gets home...

Seriously, Synapse, thanks much for your continued efforts on this, it's truly appreciated, even if we don't say so often enough.

Given the massive scope of the product, the relative lack of major problems is quite the accomplishment, keep up the good work.

Harvey's Demon farm, 2 runs, 0/8/n/n, SG mode, Saved Mission

1st run: 4 recipes, 36 salvage, 8 SOs
2nd run: 11 recipes, 32 salvage, 8 SOs

besides Temp Power recipe, no other uncommon drops >.<

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Archie Gremlin's Drop Stats v0.3.1
http://www.glasspaw.com/dropstats/
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INFORMATION - Couldn't identify the rank of any mobs. Skipping drop rates.
858 rewarding mobs defeated
  0 bosses and elite bosses
  0 lieutenants
  0 minions
  858 rewarding mobs of unknown rank
    Demon (531)
    Demon Lord (244)
    Demon Overlord (83)
858 inf/debt rewards
  1607208 inf
  44000 debt
21291 prestige
15 Pool A recipes (Mob Defeats)
  1 uncommon and rare recipes
    Temporary Power: Power Analyzer Mk III
  14 common recipes
68 salvage
  2 rare
  11 uncommon
  55 common
16 single origin enhancements
26 inspirations (0 tier 3, 8 tier 2, 18 tier 1, 0 special)

thanks for another response, Synapse.

Good work folks in digging deeper into this!

Made two runs to compare TF mode vs. no TF mode. Settings are +1/8/yes/no. SG mode off.
No kill numbers, sorry, but here's what dropped:

1st mission was from the contact Unai Kemen: "Close the dimensional ruptures" (the Banished Pantheon outdoor map).
4,087,375 inf
8 SO enhancements
47 Salvage (3 rare, 8 uncommon, 36 common)
2 Recipes (1 Damage, 1 Costume Piece)

2nd mission was from Ouroborus to get into TF mode. I choose the first mission from the Unai Kemen arc: "Find two scientists" (the Hydra outdooor map) (Note: this map is cosiderably smaller than the map in my first run).
1,543,511 inf
6 SO enhancements
40 Salvage (1 rare, 9 uncommon, 30 common)
6 Recipes (all common IOs)

What I got isn't great, but it seems that TF mode gives better results.
I'll do more testing tomorrow.

Is there still anyone looking into the "did your toon zone to get to the mission" theory?

Last night my friends and I all zoomed over to PI to run some radio missions and I got one, possibly two recipe drops over 5 or 6 missions -- +4/x8, 4 and 5 person team. (I saw the one recipe "drop" but when I looked in inventory at the end of the run, there were two. "Did I have that before we started? Umm. Don't know for sure.") During the missions, another player brought up that zoning and drops had been addressed in another thread somewhere. Just for fun, I logged off, logged back in a while later, and have done the same radio mission five times without clicking the glowie:

"Get the Ultrascope!" Beating up Council with my DB/WP scrapper, in Warehouse_30_Layout_01_03

Solo:
220 defeats, 3 recipes
219 defeats, 4 recipes
(“Doh! Maybe I should count TOTAL drops, too!”)
220 defeats, 30 drops, 4 recipes
220 defeats, 21 drops, 3 recipes
Dualboxing with another toon I'd logged off in PI:
Player one: 220 defeats, 20 drops, 3 recipes
Player two: 220 defeats, 7 drops, 2 recipes

I know, I know. Five runs isn't statistically significant, so hopefully more later. And I'm counting "stuff" by using Word 2007's "replace" feature to count "defeated's", "received's", and "recipe's." I've saved my "data" from the System and Rewards channels if someone else wants to run them through Drop Stats for a more meaningful breakdown.

Overall, though, that's more "stuff" than I've gotten in A LONG TIME soloing OR teaming, so seems like something's going on.

I was in supergroup mode for both toons, logged off between missions to reset. "Main" account for soloing and "Player one" above has pretty much every add-on except Cyborg and Science Pack; second account has Cyborg and I think that's all.

I think it will be a waste of time trying to check in TF mode.

I have the same low drops on Task Force, Radio Missions, Farming the wall in Cim. ( I tried the wall after i16 a bunch of times, because it used to be a good source for getting purples)

Setting my difficulty in many different ways has not had any affect on the drop rate.

I just wanted to let you know you can probably stop recording data, a fix for this should be making its way to the training room fairly soon. Your drop analysis there, when this patch hits the training room, would be very useful. Thanks for everyone's diligence, and believe it or not the bug had nothing to do with team size, what map you were on, whether you were in taskforce mode or not or anything else mentioned in this thread.

Regards,
Synapse