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The word gay isn't censored here - the opening post just thought it was.
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Originally Posted by Scarlet_Shocker
Personally I find it quite sad
It seems odd to me that people who wish to express their sexuality a certain way are pilloried and mocked for attempting to do so in what is ultimately a social environment. It's exacerbated by the idiocy of the moderation policy here. The word "G-A-Y" is perfectly acceptable in the English language and still has connotations of happiness associated with it - added to which to call somebody that is not necessarily insulting. If we could all be a little more tolerant of other peoples proclivities the world might just be a nicer place. |
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So you do it for Inf then - same thing |
Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
I have not, and never have had, a purple IO or IO recipe.
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Actually it was censored untill the bored merge at which point its become un-censored
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Originally Posted by Golden_Girl_EU
The word gay isn't censored here - the opening post just thought it was.
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Which just goes to show, that when it comes to fairness in matters of fabulously female-free fun, America leads the world!
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Originally Posted by TheMESS
Actually it was censored untill the bored merge at which point its become un-censored
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The rules do not say anything about discussion of "threats from mods"... but they do include the interesting proviso that using the forum to discuss a decision made by a moderator of the boards is against the forum rules. Which is what you have done.|
Originally Posted by deathkitten_EU
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If it helps: Here are the rules. Pay particular attention to rule number 4.
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise.
; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise 
; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.* I am still wondering if Fayth has found a gay sg on their servers? Or maybe if because of this topic some new gay sgs have formed which would be nice that something new could grow from this. I still am not sure if any sgs have been announced in this thread for Fayth but i have seen some from victory server and both of mine are in victory as well.
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Originally Posted by Golden_Girl_EU
So you do it for Inf then - same thing
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I think maybe we need another forum independent of the company where people can talk more freely when you aren't even allowed to tell people what was said when you get threatened by the "moderators" and discussion gets vanished, it's all very secret police...|
Originally Posted by shadowe_EU
The rules do not say anything about discussion of "threats from mods"... but they do include the interesting proviso that using the forum to discuss a decision made by a moderator of the boards is against the forum rules. Which is what you have done.
If it helps: Here are the rules. Pay particular attention to rule number 4. |
As for the "rules", I mentioned earlier I actually LOOKED in the announcements forum but couldn't find anything, I notice that thread appears to be there, but it isn't on the thread list ... I assume it must be hidden several pages back, is it really expected that every new person is going to dig through and read several pages of announcements before seeing the rules? I'm surprised it's not stickied...
I had noted that you had mentioned you'd looked for them - in fact, I only found them by performing a search for "Message Board Rules and Guidelines" which I can only assume became un-stickied during the forum merge, since it used to be stickied at the top of every section of the EU forums.
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise.
; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
I just had all my private messages suddenly go to unread except the 4 most recent ones (which I'm presuming were marked as read manually by the moderator snooping to try cover their tracks, without realising that I had about 13 old PMs that still stayed marked as "unread" making me immediately check my box for why I suddenly had so many new PMs)... I think I know one of the reasons they switched to vBulletin now - I knew of the notoriety of those things already from running forums myself...
(yes, I realise for personally it might have been better to keep it quiet so that I would know in future when I was being snooped on and I realise now they will probably be fixing the "bug" but I thought it was more important to warn everyone else really)
EU board and their crazy gay supergroup threads...
gay is not censored by the way
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Originally Posted by deathkitten_EU
I just had all my private messages suddenly go to unread except the 4 most recent ones (which I'm presuming were marked as read manually by the moderator snooping to try cover their tracks, without realising that I had about 13 old PMs that still stayed marked as "unread" making me immediately check my box for why I suddenly had so many new PMs)...
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Moderators cannot view a user's "PM mailbox" contents in vBulletin.
The best thing you can do for yourself at this point is take a deep breath and relax.
That is NOT TRUE at all, did you not even click the link to the mod?
Actually, you did didn't you? I notice you deleted it from your quote. Lame attempt at disinformation there...
MODERATORS CAN AND DO READ PRIVATE MESSAGES ON VBULLETIN FORUMS this is happens all the time:
There are tonnes of different plugin mods like that on the vbulletin websites, and if you google vbulletin private messages you'll find loads of discussion about it on forums both by people outraged and inept amoral administrators using them looking for help...
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Why is this a problem? I always assumed that was the case anyway...|
Originally Posted by deathkitten_EU
That is NOT TRUE at all, did you not even click the link to the mod?
Actually, you did didn't you? I notice you deleted it from your quote. Lame attempt at disinformation there... MODERATORS CAN AND DO READ PRIVATE MESSAGES ON VBULLETIN FORUMS this is happens all the time: There are tonnes of different plugin mods like that on the vbulletin websites, and if you google vbulletin private messages you'll find loads of discussion about it on forums both by people outraged and inept amoral administrators using them looking for help... |
Do they state anywhere that they do, or don't, or are or are not allowed to read our private messages? I assumed that 'private' meant private from other forumgoers, not from the admins.
I'm not saying it's good or bad, i just didnt realise there was a privacy issue here.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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Rather hypocritical though when they get all uppity about their PMs being posted ...
I've not posted to this thread for a while now, but i have been folowing it and would like to say 2 things.
First, the beginning of this tread seems to be sooo long ago now that all the people who have said "there is no discrimination against LGBT players on the euro servers need to re-read some of those old post... it exists, has been atested to by a fair few people. it may not be frequent, but it does exist.
Second, the whole "stright acting" debate has completely boggled my mind. it is just another example of people reading things into word that simply are not there. Some people, GLBT too it seems, seem to think that all LGBT people act the same, or at least should. not true. they seem to think that if a LGBT person is described in such a way is repressing their natural urges to act in a mostly incorrect stereotypical maner... not true. the perpose as used here, and as i have only ever heard it used, it to mean "Not behaving in a sterotypical maner". so with what has been said by the people who have been opposed to this phase have said then shannon's sentance of...
"I've got friends who are L, G and B in RL and they're all straight acting so that you wouldn't know unless ya ask them."
would have to read...
"I've got friends who are L, G and B in RL and they do not behave in the sterotypical maner that the majority of the population believe all L, G and B people to behave in so that you wouldn't know unless ya ask them."
Rediculous huh? It's like bin men (refuse collector to our US cousins) being called Excess waste managment and disposal agents. using too many words to describe a simple concept that can be done in just a few. And i do say this from a position on the LGBT spectrum, as anyone who have read the earlier posts in this thread will realise. I Act in a way that is concidered the way that only straight people act, because that is who i am, i would act this way wether i was G, B, T or S (not L as i am male). I feel no need to act in a certain way to overtly express my sexual orientation because anyone, no mater what thier sexual orientation is, thinks i should act. I am not repressing anything as i have no desire to act that way. I know people that do, and am fine with it, but that isn't me, and i find it more deflamatory for a G person to put down someone whom people concider as to be "Straight acting" Than anyone one saying a G person is "Straight acting".
So from reading this thread i am now thinking of changing my stance on not wanting to join a LGBT SG, and if anyone decides to form an SG or VG on union (My defiant slot are all fulll right now and can't bring meself to delete any) please let me know as i already have come up with a tank or brute that i could join with!
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Then it's time for them to get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.
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I've been looking through the old announcements for it and I still haven't found it so I'm sorry about that. But anyway, I recall an LGBT event that occurs yearly... Pink and Somethingorother Ball...? I think?
Anyway, sure it get's griefed, nothing worse than the Hami raids of old though. And it's a huge event. I know it was Ex Libris that posted about it before she left us for greener pastures, but damned if I can find it.
Seems like it'd be really cool if (as in another thread) they opened the server lists to everyone so y'all could go too. Or at least, allow the global channels to cross, then y'all that'd like to could join the existing channels like 'Pride'.
Whether someone's "straight acting" or "masculine," "feminine" or "effeminate" doesn't matter. How they choose to self-identify (good or bad) is their choice; how others choose to identify them *could* be problematic - and that's where the dangers of labeling/stereotyping come into play.
Although LGBT folks are a minority, we're an invisible minority because our differences aren't as immediately apparent/visibile to the naked eye as race and ethnicity (unless we talk about perceived behaviours and body language), so we compensate by coming out and saying "I'm gay." That statement right there says a lot more about a person than second-guessing whether someone is masculine, feminine, effeminate or straight acting - because those perceptions don't always indicate a person's sexual orientation.
My observation was to stop employing labels - period. Unless someone say they're gay or straight or bi or whatever, don't go making your own assumptions about their sexuality based on how they act/present themselves (and don't appear judgemental against them as a result either). No one should feel the need to distinguish themselves as being more masculine or feminine, better or worse, than anyone else just to feel better about themselves or be perceived by others as "normal" or "more accepted." Again, that's symptomatic of poor self confidence whatever your sexuality.
Of course, not everyone's comfortable with saying (or hearing) the words "I'm gay" for various reasons. But for those that do, at least try to be respectful (if not supportive) of their existence and acknowledge their courage in coming out and stepping forward as an invisible minority.
Just be yourself, feel secure in your beliefs and your own sexuality, accept (not tolerate) your fellow LGBT players for who they are, and live on. 
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Originally Posted by deathkitten_EU
I think I know one of the reasons they switched to vBulletin now
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Besides, if you have run a forum before then you'll know why moderation decisions can't be discussed in public - it leads to martyrs declaring themselves as wronged, posting one sided snippets of conservation.
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Originally Posted by deathkitten_EU
MODERATORS CAN AND DO READ PRIVATE MESSAGES ON VBULLETIN FORUMS this is happens all the time:
There are tonnes of different plugin mods like that on the vbulletin websites, and if you google vbulletin private messages you'll find loads of discussion about it on forums both by people outraged and inept amoral administrators using them looking for help... |
Just to clarify:
I said "moderators" can't do it - the plugin mods you're talking about on vbulletin.org are for "super admin" privileges. In vBulletin, there's different tiers of administrative group permissions (and custom user groups can be added/deleted at any time) - these mods are meant to be restricted to the highest administrator setting (aka "superadmin") and used sparingly in cases where members are using vBulletin's PM system to spam/harrass other members. That alone is a valid use of the plugin - if installed.
That said, keep in mind the following:
1) This plugin is not a standard ability packaged into the vBulletin's retail software product.
2) As this is not a licensed plugin, its unlikely NCsoft would incorporate it in their business products (its not impossible but definitely unlikely as it might affect site stability issues or potentially open up a new "back door" hack depending on how the plugin was scripted).
3) Moderator 8 (and others) have better things to do than read your PMs.
Hope this helps.
And sending out creepy stalker like PMs to people you don't know about it doesn't really help you.
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Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan_NA
Why is this a problem? I always assumed that was the case anyway...
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I'm pretty sure they can read them, and search a list of them, espeically to check if closed beta info is being passed around
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I am very tempted to form a hero SG called the 'The Bear Necessities' Neo - a little referrence to go with my new avatar!|
Originally Posted by St_Angelius
So from reading this thread i am now thinking of changing my stance on not wanting to join a LGBT SG, and if anyone decides to form an SG or VG on union (My defiant slot are all fulll right now and can't bring meself to delete any) please let me know as i already have come up with a tank or brute that i could join with!
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I have a lot of thoughts about whats been said.
The whole thing about whether sexually orientation belongs in a game is a very grey area. What constitutes sexual orientation?? Does referrence to having a husband, wife, girlfriend, boyfriend, civil partner etc etc count?? In my opinion they do, if ever so subtly.
Having spent a big portion of my younger life teaching myself to use abiguous nouns such as them, they're, partner because there is a chance (however small) that someone could attack you if you're a he and you say he! Its something that isn't easily broken and for some (not saying anyone here, just being generalised) who haven't had to do this they take it for granted that they don't have to think about this. And as this is social game, there is a chance this will come into it.
And the issue of having characters that identify as LGBT is mixture of normalising and having visible role models. For a community that (as it has been said) was criminalised until 40 years ago in England (and even less in other countries) it is still important to have these in the public light just being ordinary people.
And homophobia does happen in this game, both blatant (see Night Hornet's post near the start) and just being ignorant (people calling things 'gay' when they dont like it).
And although a lot of the main characters are not identified as any orientation there are still a lot of referrences to hetero sexual relationships in the game. If you just do search on paragon wiki for 'wife' you get a lot of entries saying looking for 'his wife'.
Although it is not CoXs responsibility to push forward the normalisation of the community in the public light it would be nice if they had the odd contact or radio mission where Miss so and so's girl friend has been kidnapped or can you go save Mr whats his face and his boyfriend. Subtle but present at the same time.
Now, to the issue about having LGBT only groups (and SGs) is so that people of that community don't have to worry about it in those settings. Having worked for an LGBT counselling service and helpline I understand how important these can be for some people.
So do I agree with LGBT only SGs? I say yes and no. I personally would love us all just be able to get along as one big happy family and that is why I love the SG I'm in. But at the same time some people just aren't comfortible with that because in some ways the game is a reflection of the world because it is an MMO, and thats where they are with it all.
Anyway! Waffle over
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