A question on Keldians.
When they join with a human, do they produce a new singular personality or do the two still exist separately in the same mind?
A question on Lord Recluse.
Are the eight legs on his back actually spider legs covered in proto-steel or are they just mechanical proto-steel legs?
A question on the 5th Column.
Are they from our world? When did Reichsman declare himself their new leader? Why did Mueller suddenly decide to follow him?
A question on Tyrant.
If Tyrant's powers are derived from the same thing as Statesman - Well of the Furies - how come he is much weaker? I know Praetorians are weaker than their Primal counter-parts, but surely Tyrant has some form of lightning-based powers like Statesman does? (Zeus' Lightning Bolt, Hammer of Justice)
I might have overstepped the limit a bit, but oh well. 
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A question on Lord Recluse.
Are the eight legs on his back actually spider legs covered in proto-steel or are they just mechanical proto-steel legs?
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They are spider legs covered in proto steel. (Revealed in the Web of Arachnos novel)
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what is the lore of COX actually?
there is no line of story anywhere and we're always left with lose ends.
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THat's a little bit unfair, I mean, the lore exists. It just seems to me that instead of being an overlying plot, the lore is simply used to tie together the various missions. I would prefer a larger story to be a part of, though.
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what is the lore of COX actually?
there is no line of story anywhere and we're always left with lose ends.
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Lore isn't just storylines - it can include anything to explain game mechanincs in an in-game way, like the War Walls or Architect Entertainment, and it can also include trivia that isn't neede for storyline or for in-game explainations, but is there just for fun to add more depth - like Ms. Liberty's real name, or why there are no busses in the city, but plenty of bus stops.
But as this thread is just supposed to be for lore questions, perhaps we could go here to actually discuss the lore rather than just ask questions.
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A question on the 5th Column.
Are they from our world? When did Reichsman declare himself their new leader? Why did Mueller suddenly decide to follow him?
A question on Tyrant.
If Tyrant's powers are derived from the same thing as Statesman - Well of the Furies - how come he is much weaker? I know Praetorians are weaker than their Primal counter-parts, but surely Tyrant has some form of lightning-based powers like Statesman does? (Zeus' Lightning Bolt, Hammer of Justice)
I might have overstepped the limit a bit, but oh well.
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First one, I have no idea who Mueller is, but the 5th Column is a villain group that is from our world. At some point in history Arachnos was separated into Arachnos, The Council and 5th Column.
In Reichsman's alternate dimension, the Nazis won the Second World War and so Marcus Cole became a Nazi and because of his power and the Nazi ideals he quickly became it's leader. The ruling government in the Reichsman's dimension might be called the 5th Column, but it's really an entirely different thing, they're just similar.
Tyrant is more powerful than Statesman. In a one on one fight Tyrant would defeat Statesman. The Praetorian counterparts to the Freedom Phalanx are weaker because Tyrant made sure they were kept weaker so they couldn't challenge his authority. The Freedom Phalanx defeated Tyrant's group because OVERALL they were stronger. I believe Tyrant is stronger than Statesman because he strives to always become stronger, while Statesman sees nbo reason to increase his strength seeing as he is already basically the most powerful being on the planet.
And my own question, The Lost are the Rikti right? It is HEAVILY implied, but is never confirmed. When I say The Lost, I mean the mutated homeless refer to their leaders as The Lost, rather than themselves, and these leaders are the Rikti, so-called because they are lost in this world with no way to return?
I'd also appreciate it if you could tell us anything about The Lost we don't already know, even if it's just something small. Oh! For example, why are the Lost still here? If they are the Rikti, surely during the second invasion they would have been able to go home, correct?
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And my own question, The Lost are the Rikti right? It is HEAVILY implied, but is never confirmed. When I say The Lost, I mean the mutated homeless refer to their leaders as The Lost, rather than themselves, and these leaders are the Rikti, so-called because they are lost in this world with no way to return?
I'd also appreciate it if you could tell us anything about The Lost we don't already know, even if it's just something small. Oh! For example, why are the Lost still here? If they are the Rikti, surely during the second invasion they would have been able to go home, correct?
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The Lost, if I remember correctly, are a Rikti-human fusion rather than true Rikti. This is why their transformation can be reversed as evidenced in a certain story-arc.
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The Lost, if I remember correctly, are a Rikti-human fusion rather than true Rikti.
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This makes no sense considering the revelation given during the Dark Watcher storyline in the Rikti Warzone. I'm assuming you've not played it yet... 
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Question on Lord Recluse
What's with the bomber jacket fur on his spider backpack? Is it because it's actually an organic, err, organ? or does he just have good fashion sense?
Also, is Recluse feeling the need to upgrade those rusted, ancient legs on his back? (Even Crab spiders legs look cooler)
ALSO, are we gonna see anything of the guy who started Arachnos? By this i mean, THE WEAVER!!!
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there is no line of story anywhere and we're always left with lose ends.
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THat's a little bit unfair, I mean, the lore exists. It just seems to me that instead of being an overlying plot, the lore is simply used to tie together the various missions. I would prefer a larger story to be a part of, though.
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that's just my point, there is nothing to go by.
your whole reason to be there is to save the world, but because of so many stories at ones, there is nothing you can say "this is the story", it's more like "i could take down some skulls or kill the consuls"
a hero should be rescuing ppl, not taking down some wannabe coverment.
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Also, is Recluse feeling the need to upgrade those rusted, ancient legs on his back? (Even Crab spiders legs look cooler)
ALSO, are we gonna see anything of the guy who started Arachnos? By this i mean, THE WEAVER!!!
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Well those legs are organic limbs covered in proto steel so i cant see them changing mutch unless our good lord decided to further mutate his body
The Weavers dead but some kind of oro taskforce would be cool
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Also, is Recluse feeling the need to upgrade those rusted, ancient legs on his back? (Even Crab spiders legs look cooler)
ALSO, are we gonna see anything of the guy who started Arachnos? By this i mean, THE WEAVER!!!
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Well those legs are organic limbs covered in proto steel so i cant see them changing mutch unless our good lord decided to further mutate his body
The Weavers dead but some kind of oro taskforce would be cool
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So they're organic? The tips look almost too thin to fit anything in there though, and the joints also look very geary.
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actually i may be wrong re-reading this it says "Physical changes also started appearing, with Stefan's eyes progressively beginning to have almost allergic reactions to bright light, and steadily growing red and burning with malevolence, a sign of his status as the evil demigod, Tartarus; his back, through Stefan's focused manipulation of his dark power, began developing a hump which later was used to house eight massive arachnid-like arms. Upon further enhancement, the arms were outfitted with super-strong steel claws, made from an alloy called proto-steel."
so its unclear weather the limbs sprouted from the hump or if they're mechanical appendiges. your right tho they would look cooler if they thickened them up a bit.
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actually i may be wrong re-reading this it says "Physical changes also started appearing, with Stefan's eyes progressively beginning to have almost allergic reactions to bright light, and steadily growing red and burning with malevolence, a sign of his status as the evil demigod, Tartarus; his back, through Stefan's focused manipulation of his dark power, began developing a hump which later was used to house eight massive arachnid-like arms. Upon further enhancement, the arms were outfitted with super-strong steel claws, made from an alloy called proto-steel."
so its unclear weather the limbs sprouted from the hump or if they're mechanical appendiges. your right tho they would look cooler if they thickened them up a bit.
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Bolded a couple of bits for emphasis.
Going off that quote and the events of Web of Arachnos, I think it's pretty safe to say the limbs are organic and then artificially armoured and clawed once they'd fully grown.
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The Lost, if I remember correctly, are a Rikti-human fusion rather than true Rikti.
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This makes no sense considering the revelation given during the Dark Watcher storyline in the Rikti Warzone. I'm assuming you've not played it yet...
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You assume correctly
The lore behind the Lost may well have changed (or more may have been revealed) over the course of my several years long break.
My own questions regard Cimerora:
> Is it part of an alternate earth's timeline or assumed to be part of our gameworld's history?
> Is the cimeroran culture more greek or roman based, as it appears to have aspects of both? For example Daedalus is a direct hint at greek mythology (Father of Icarus and creator of the labyrinth of the minotaur) while the military and ranks/titles are obviously inspired by ancient rome.
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The Lost, if I remember correctly, are a Rikti-human fusion rather than true Rikti.
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This makes no sense considering the revelation given during the Dark Watcher storyline in the Rikti Warzone. I'm assuming you've not played it yet...
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You assume correctly
The lore behind the Lost may well have changed (or more may have been revealed) over the course of my several years long break.
My own questions regard Cimerora:
> Is it part of an alternate earth's timeline or assumed to be part of our gameworld's history?
> Is the cimeroran culture more greek or roman based, as it appears to have aspects of both? For example Daedalus is a direct hint at greek mythology (Father of Icarus and creator of the labyrinth of the minotaur) while the military and ranks/titles are obviously inspired by ancient rome.
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I would like that answered too. as _Damz said in his own lore thread most of us are all mythology geeks (me 
) and when I played through ITF as was thinking; "Wait, why is Daedalus a general in an army?"
I'd like that to be cleared up a bit.
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Can you prove that?
If you are referring to the Comics, the only reason Statesman was defeated by Tyrant is because he was outnumbered.
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First one, I have no idea who Mueller is, but the 5th Column is a villain group that is from our world. At some point in history Arachnos was separated into Arachnos, The Council and 5th Column.
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Have you got a source for this i keep seeing it posted but I've not seen anything in game that suggests that Archnos was part of the 5th/council group.
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In Reichsman's alternate dimension, the Nazis won the Second World War and so Marcus Cole became a Nazi and because of his power and the Nazi ideals he quickly became it's leader. The ruling government in the Reichsman's dimension might be called the 5th Column, but it's really an entirely different thing, they're just similar.
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Reichsmans group was called the storm corps he kept them weaker so they could't oppose him unless this has been changed in the new TFs
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Tyrant is more powerful than Statesman. In a one on one fight Tyrant would defeat Statesman. The Praetorian counterparts to the Freedom Phalanx are weaker because Tyrant made sure they were kept weaker so they couldn't challenge his authority. The Freedom Phalanx defeated Tyrant's group because OVERALL they were stronger. I believe Tyrant is stronger than Statesman because he strives to always become stronger, while Statesman sees nbo reason to increase his strength seeing as he is already basically the most powerful being on the planet.
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I think your getting tyrant and Reichsman kinda mixed up the Praetorian Phalanx aren't weaker than there paragon counterparts and are in some ways stronger as they don't self limit there powers and pull there punches in a fight there prepared to maim and kill to win while our Phalanx isn't.
Tyrant and states are probably on the same power scale as to the lightning powers states displays but tyrant hasn't. I think this is probably due to the fact that states was updated at some point he hasn't always had the hammer of justice power and used to be a strait forward invul and superstrength user. I would expect to see tyrant receive some changes come GR
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And my own question, The Lost are the Rikti right? It is HEAVILY implied, but is never confirmed. When I say The Lost, I mean the mutated homeless refer to their leaders as The Lost, rather than themselves, and these leaders are the Rikti, so-called because they are lost in this world with no way to return?
I'd also appreciate it if you could tell us anything about The Lost we don't already know, even if it's just something small. Oh! For example, why are the Lost still here? If they are the Rikti, surely during the second invasion they would have been able to go home, correct?
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Cant say I've ever seen the lost refer to there leaders as "the lost" the ones in fault line do go on about the return.
im sure im missing bits but what i know of the lost and the rikti is.
The rikti are/were human they come from a alternate dimension where there is no magic (i think they may have killed there gods) they believe in science above all else and changed them selves apparently willingly into what we call the rikti.
At some point nemesis (yes him a again) discovered there dimension and set into motion a plan involving duplicates of paragon heroes invading the rikti world.
rightly [censored] of that they had been invaded by paragon earth (up to this point it would seem the rikti had been relativity peaceful there's even old portal corpse files that suggest that portal corpse had already made brief contact with the rikti and they were open to some form of trade agreement. but any ways they invade paragon earth and the rikti war follows.
after the war there are rikti left on earth I suppose operating as kind of terrorist cells one of there acts was to begin infecting paragon citizens with the virus (or something) that converted the rikti into rikti this virus started the conversion of the humans into rikti.
But not knowing that the rikti was behind it the partially changed humans became labelled the lost by the authorities.
Well that's about all I can remember about the rikti/lost hopefully it fills in some blanks
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I think your getting tyrant and Reichsman kinda mixed up the Praetorian Phalanx aren't weaker than there paragon counterparts and are in some ways stronger as they don't self limit there powers and pull there punches in a fight there prepared to maim and kill to win while our Phalanx isn't.
Tyrant and states are probably on the same power scale as to the lightning powers states displays but tyrant hasn't. I think this is probably due to the fact that states was updated at some point he hasn't always had the hammer of justice power and used to be a strait forward invul and superstrength user. I would expect to see tyrant receive some changes come GR
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I beg to differ. In the Comics, Sister Psyche managed to fend off both Mother Mayhem (her counter-part) and Malaise all by herself. Positron was also shown to be stronger than Anti-Matter. Synapse was shown to have better developed powers than Neuron - his ability to appear in two places at once due to moving so fast. Dominatrix doesn't have the power of the Liberty Belt (as far as I know) and therefore uses a whip to fight. Tyrant showed no other powers other than Super Strength and Invulnerability where as Statesman utilized his lightning powers against Tyrant even stating "Here's a present from Zeus!" (or some such similar quote).
So... in my opinion:
Statesman > Tyrant. 
Statesman = Reichsman.
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your forgetting to apply the hero rule.
The heroes are always going to win unless the story calls for there defeat
Also the mother mayhem thing I'm not entirely sure that is Sister Psyches counter-part at least not directly if you look at a pic of mother
http://cityofheroes.wikia.com/wiki/F..._Mayhem_01.jpg
she bares far more resemblance to Aurota Borealis
http://cityofheroes.wikia.com/wiki/F...a_Borealis.jpg
Now we know that Aurora acted as a host for Sister Psyche which makes me wonder is the mother mayhem we meet in game and that Sister Psyche faced in the comics the real Mother Mayhem or is it just Auroras counterpart being used as a host.
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Now we know that Aurora acted as a host for Sister Psyche which makes me wonder is the mother mayhem we meet in game and that Sister Psyche faced in the comics the real Mother Mayhem or is it just Auroras counterpart being used as a host.
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It's the latter.
On Praetorian Earth, Shalice Tilman's (Mother Mayhem) body was destroyed. How? It has not yet been revealed. Without a body she decided to possess Aurora Borealis, trapping her in her own body, unable to act or fight back.
EDIT: I can see where you are going with that TheMESS, but aren't psychic powers about the mind? If Mother Mayhem was able to transfer her conciousness into Aurora's body, surely she would have retained her psychic powers.
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Ah where's that little tip bit of info from?
I was thinking she may be weaker because her mind was split between her body and her host but now I'm thinking once bitten twice shy why put all her eggs or in this case mind in one basket/host hopefully GR will tell us more.
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The Comics! On one of the Issues where they go to Praetorian Earth, they added something extra at the end. Usually fan art and the like. But instead, it was a section about the Praetorian Archvillains. It went into more depth about their backgrounds than the little bits of info in-game.
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I was thinking she may be weaker because her mind was split between her body and her host but now I'm thinking once bitten twice shy why put all her eggs or in this case mind in one basket/host hopefully GR will tell us more.
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Why? Becuase she has no other host obviously. Well, one hasn't been revealed thus far and if she is able to transfer her conciousness so easily, why wouldn't she shove all her eggs (mind powers) into one basket?
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