Posi on Abusing Mission Architect
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2wabbits,
Posted on: 2009-05-05 13:14 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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ok ive played ma quite a bit, and i have loved all of it, and i can tell you i have been here since 2005 and before that in the US, so i have the passport badge, and if i get one toon banned i will not look back i will be gone no question 
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Playing MA is fine - it's what you play in it that can cause problems 
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so now you are saying that you post so much you do not know what you are posting ?
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I'm not quite sure how you got that from me saying "playing MA is fine - it's what you play in it that can cause problems"...
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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Again farming comm officers is NOT an exploit.
I wrote several petitions in beta how easy those mobs can be farmed for xp.....they knew it.
If the devs thought of comm officers to be an exploit they could have removed them 1 week after I14 went live and it became obvious... they didnt.
But they did remove other mobs like prisoners in one day without much trouble.
They knew it, they could have removed the comm officers from MA in one day... they didnt.. so they have no right to blame players now.
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God.mmit! You're my hero, my idol! I think I love you, but not in - that - way! 
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Soooo if i understand correctly.
You see a wallet on the table next to you. You tell the person whoms wallet it is, that a thief could grab it. He replies politely but the wallet stay on the table. It ends when you steal the wallet from the table and run away.
After all you did WARN him that there are thieves and that they could steal his wallet right?
So that means that you are NOT a thief right?
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One simple response: Comparison invalid: Useless!
Edit: Explanation apparently required: Noone got robbed!
funny two mins ago you had no idea that you had posted it
what you typed there was at best sarcasm and at worst a blatent accusation, if you can't see that then im sorry for you.
like i said if it was a joke then i have gone way over the top.
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Again farming comm officers is NOT an exploit.
I wrote several petitions in beta how easy those mobs can be farmed for xp.....they knew it.
If the devs thought of comm officers to be an exploit they could have removed them 1 week after I14 went live and it became obvious... they didnt.
But they did remove other mobs like prisoners in one day without much trouble.
They knew it, they could have removed the comm officers from MA in one day... they didnt.. so they have no right to blame players now.
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God.mmit! You're my hero, my idol! I think I love you, but not in - that - way!
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Soooo if i understand correctly.
You see a wallet on the table next to you. You tell the person whoms wallet it is, that a thief could grab it. He replies politely but the wallet stay on the table. It ends when you steal the wallet from the table and run away.
After all you did WARN him that there are thieves and that they could steal his wallet right?
So that means that you are NOT a thief right?
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One simple response: Comparison invalid: Useless!
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Wrong
Exploiting is illegal (in this game)
Stealing is illegal
stealing after warning is illegal
exploiting after warning is illegal
Comparison is very valid.
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I'm in with the "I love it" camp I'm afraid.
And for all you lovely people who say "they can't do this". Actually, it's their game, and they can do what they hell they like.
I'm glad to see Posi finally growing a set and coming down on what has been the blight of this game for far too long. Sure there'll be a fair few farmers who quit because of it, and good riddance. I'd imagine that there'll also be people who are prepared to play the game how it was intended to be played, absolutely delighted and coming right on back. Me being one of them.
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This
I've got to say I'm very saddened (but not terribly surpised) by the vituperative comments made by the pro-farming lobby, but I'd reiterate what many have said; that the EULA is there for a reason and the Devs may take whatever measures they seem appropriate to address a given issue.
For those who are concerned my best guess is this: The Devs will not wield their banhammer without caution - the casual player won't likely notice a thing, and if you got a 50 in an evening, well done. But if you find another exploit and do it again, beware.
The Devs know that heavy handed behaviour will hurt the bank balance - but farming will hurt it much more so. It's no secret that I'm not a fan of Positron, but in this I think he's very right - and they are taking pro-active action. More importantly, we have been warned. We now know the collective score.
Nuff said.
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Amen.
The only thing that really frightens me is the image of a banbot indiscriminately kicking everyone based on some draconian criteria, w/o appeals. But, let us be honest, no one in dev team is THAT stupid.
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funny two mins ago you had no idea that you had posted it
what you typed there was at best sarcasm and at worst a blatent accusation, if you can't see that then im sorry for you.
like i said if it was a joke then i have gone way over the top.
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Well I can't really say if you've been naughty or not, unless you tell us what you've done in the MA.
If you've played normal MA missions, then you should be fine.
But if you've gotten a 50 in a few hours, then you might be hit by the wrath of the devs
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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Do they expect me to log onto the game now and have FUN?!?!!? Are they mad?!?!
[as a side note, im slowly getting things in motion to video record MArcs and post them up, feel free to ask for yours!]
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Again farming comm officers is NOT an exploit.
I wrote several petitions in beta how easy those mobs can be farmed for xp.....they knew it.
If the devs thought of comm officers to be an exploit they could have removed them 1 week after I14 went live and it became obvious... they didnt.
But they did remove other mobs like prisoners in one day without much trouble.
They knew it, they could have removed the comm officers from MA in one day... they didnt.. so they have no right to blame players now.
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God.mmit! You're my hero, my idol! I think I love you, but not in - that - way!
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Soooo if i understand correctly.
You see a wallet on the table next to you. You tell the person whoms wallet it is, that a thief could grab it. He replies politely but the wallet stay on the table. It ends when you steal the wallet from the table and run away.
After all you did WARN him that there are thieves and that they could steal his wallet right?
So that means that you are NOT a thief right?
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One simple response: Comparison invalid: Useless!
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Wrong
Exploiting is illegal (in this game)
Stealing is illegal
stealing after warning is illegal
exploiting after warning is illegal
Comparison is very valid.
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Stealing an apple is illegal!
Killing 12 million people illegal!
Do you wanna compare those two?
Comparison rediculously invalid! NOONE got hurt IN ANY WAY by what the farmers did. Sure, I don't care what happens to them, besides the important point: How does it affect the game. It will affect the game badly whatever they end up doing now:
1. Do nothing, or very little: Loose credibility
2. Smack down hard: People leave: game dead!
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Again farming comm officers is NOT an exploit.
I wrote several petitions in beta how easy those mobs can be farmed for xp.....they knew it.
If the devs thought of comm officers to be an exploit they could have removed them 1 week after I14 went live and it became obvious... they didnt.
But they did remove other mobs like prisoners in one day without much trouble.
They knew it, they could have removed the comm officers from MA in one day... they didnt.. so they have no right to blame players now.
If they start to punish players now subsequently for things they didnt even warn the players abput, you have to be afraid to play at all, since they can decide everything to be an exploit or not working as intended and delete your chars.
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Hahah priceless how can the Devs now say its wrong when it was reported in beta
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funny two mins ago you had no idea that you had posted it
what you typed there was at best sarcasm and at worst a blatent accusation, if you can't see that then im sorry for you.
like i said if it was a joke then i have gone way over the top.
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Well I can't really say if you've been naughty or not, unless you tell us what you've done in the MA.
If you've played normal MA missions, then you should be fine.
But if you've gotten a 50 in a few hours, then you might be hit by the wrath of the devs
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so again you insult me
no i havent gotten any 50's from the ma.
i have enough already.
you need to stop making assumptions that have no basis in fact
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ok, all of you that didn't like the farms:
How many of you used that red little button, complaining about it?
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Me. Every time I came across a thinly disguised farming arc.
My wife. Every time she came across a thinly disguised farming arc.
And the developers' response is... this.
Result, I say.
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise.
; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise 
; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
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If the devs thought of comm officers to be an exploit they could have removed them 1 week after I14 went live and it became obvious... they didnt.
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Again farming comm officers is NOT an exploit.
I wrote several petitions in beta how easy those mobs can be farmed for xp.....they knew it.
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And in beta I /bugged many typos that are still in the MA tutorial. Does it mean that they are not typos because they are still there?
Simply not addressing a problem that has been reported does not mean that it's been condoned as acceptable behaviour.
EDIT: Although it was poor IMO that exploits had been reported many days before I14 went live but it still went live 1-2 weeks too early...
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The thing is there's a pretty big difference between a few text errors that i bet most people don't even notice and a something that's now almost a month after launch been declared a massive exploit.
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Again farming comm officers is NOT an exploit.
I wrote several petitions in beta how easy those mobs can be farmed for xp.....they knew it.
If the devs thought of comm officers to be an exploit they could have removed them 1 week after I14 went live and it became obvious... they didnt.
But they did remove other mobs like prisoners in one day without much trouble.
They knew it, they could have removed the comm officers from MA in one day... they didnt.. so they have no right to blame players now.
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God.mmit! You're my hero, my idol! I think I love you, but not in - that - way!
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Soooo if i understand correctly.
You see a wallet on the table next to you. You tell the person whoms wallet it is, that a thief could grab it. He replies politely but the wallet stay on the table. It ends when you steal the wallet from the table and run away.
After all you did WARN him that there are thieves and that they could steal his wallet right?
So that means that you are NOT a thief right?
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One simple response: Comparison invalid: Useless!
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Wrong
Exploiting is illegal (in this game)
Stealing is illegal
stealing after warning is illegal
exploiting after warning is illegal
Comparison is very valid.
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Stealing an apple is illegal!
Killing 12 million people illegal!
Do you wanna compare those two?
Comparison rediculously invalid! NOONE got hurt IN ANY WAY by what the farmers did. Sure, I don't care what happens to them, besides the important point: How does it affect the game. It will affect the game badly whatever they end up doing now:
1. Do nothing, or very little: Loose credibility
2. Smack down hard: People leave: game dead!
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This is not a hard smack - the statement from Positron is deliberately vague - there's a threat of smacks for the very naughty, but no promise - and certainly no definition of what counts as very naughty.
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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This is not a hard smack - the statement from Positron is deliberately vague - there's a threat of smacks for the very naughty, but no promise - and certainly no definition of what counts as very naughty.
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GG is right. Get some perspective.
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Or didn't you talk about that retroactive punishment?
For the record.
Proactive punishment is the less common variant of punishing somebody. Normally you punish somebody for things already done. Therefore is not every punishment a retroactive one?
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Usually you warn someone that he/she will get punished for doing something.
If a boss tells an employee to NOT read a letter and the employee does anyway he can be punished.
If the boss didnt warn the employee before he cant punish him/her retroctively cause the emplyoee didnt know he will get punished for it.
Thats how its handled in the "normal" world aynway, otherwise you can just change the rules and fire people for doing something that wasnt "forbidden" before.
Farming was never punished before and its been around since release, so they cant just say : " Oh well we decided its forbidden now and therefore we delete all chars that ever farmed, be it swarms in Creys Folly 4 years in the past, the hero freak map or certain villain maps.
Its complete arbitrariness and if they start to do that now you cant be sure if they "punish" you in the future for something they didnt warn you about and.
They are afraid they loose subs if people powerlvl all the toons and get bored, i suppose they will loose more subs in deleting toons.
...and I'd be ok with posi saying he'll go hard on people continuing to explicitly try to exploit the system repeatedly. That's good bussiness!
But going back kicking on the people that "abused" the system while it was there. That's bad bussiness!
Edit: Imho you'd better go back and nerf any heroes that used Dreck, or villains that farmed the TV mission. Do you seriously suggest that? Anyone?
Yes, this was bad, and a harder stance against "abuse" is probably a good idea. But omg they're bad at PR and bussiness...
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Do they expect me to log onto the game now and have FUN?!?!!? Are they mad?!?!
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Do they expect people who have farmed a level or two (or fifty) to log in and play on their characters now?
No point in going back to normal-levelling a toon you've farmed up a few levels because they might nerf you.
No point in starting a new toon, either, because there's no-one to group with outside of the MA, which is of course verboten. It's still going on, of course, as the average CoHer doesn't read the forums and is still 'LFF' in Atlas.
Nice one, Shadow of Almighty Positron, you're really encouraging us, here.
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no i havent gotten any 50's from the ma.
i have enough already.
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In that case you're fine - your soul is not in peril
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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Do they expect me to log onto the game now and have FUN?!?!!? Are they mad?!?!
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Do they expect people who have farmed a level or two (or fifty) to log in and play on their characters now?
No point in going back to normal-levelling a toon you've farmed up a few levels because they might nerf you.
No point in starting a new toon, either, because there's no-one to group with outside of the MA, which is of course verboten. It's still going on, of course, as the average CoHer doesn't read the forums and is still 'LFF' in Atlas.
Nice one, Shadow of Almighty Positron, you're really encouraging us, here.
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Yeah, don't do anything because we might consider it an exploit and smack you for it, just being good in a good team, getting insane xp because you have a good mix in a team of really good players is just soo wrong, isn't it.
Being vague was how Bush messed up the US totally and made it an undemocratic semi-fascist country (imho). "There's a threat, we can't say anymore, but be afraid and let us torture anyone we want. Trust us, we just cheated our way to the white house, but we really care". Ok, that was perhaps a bit over the top, but I'm off for the day, so I had to end with a totally over the top statement! 
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Do they expect me to log onto the game now and have FUN?!?!!? Are they mad?!?!
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Do they expect people who have farmed a level or two (or fifty) to log in and play on their characters now?
No point in going back to normal-levelling a toon you've farmed up a few levels because they might nerf you.
No point in starting a new toon, either, because there's no-one to group with outside of the MA, which is of course verboten. It's still going on, of course, as the average CoHer doesn't read the forums and is still 'LFF' in Atlas.
Nice one, Shadow of Almighty Positron, you're really encouraging us, here.
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Stopping people playing their toons is a tad OTT i'll admit but HOPEFULLY with the threat of it, it'll stop FUTURE toons being PL'd to 50 in a day.
I doubt anybody with a 1 - 50 in a day toon currently will be affected by this, it'll be ones after the announcement that are affected. So therefore it is the players fault now, they have been warned not to abuse the system and therefore know the consequences if they do so.
@Damz Find me on the global channel Union Chat. One of the best "chat channels" ingame!
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no i havent gotten any 50's from the ma.
i have enough already.
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In that case you're fine - your soul is not in peril
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nice apology not
from now on any chance of you thinking before you post stupid comments ?
And im sorry if i sound harsh (people that know me wont recognise me) but im sick of people telling me how it is
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Again farming comm officers is NOT an exploit.
I wrote several petitions in beta how easy those mobs can be farmed for xp.....they knew it.
If the devs thought of comm officers to be an exploit they could have removed them 1 week after I14 went live and it became obvious... they didnt.
But they did remove other mobs like prisoners in one day without much trouble.
They knew it, they could have removed the comm officers from MA in one day... they didnt.. so they have no right to blame players now.
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God.mmit! You're my hero, my idol! I think I love you, but not in - that - way!
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Soooo if i understand correctly.
You see a wallet on the table next to you. You tell the person whoms wallet it is, that a thief could grab it. He replies politely but the wallet stay on the table. It ends when you steal the wallet from the table and run away.
After all you did WARN him that there are thieves and that they could steal his wallet right?
So that means that you are NOT a thief right?
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One simple response: Comparison invalid: Useless!
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Wrong
Exploiting is illegal (in this game)
Stealing is illegal
stealing after warning is illegal
exploiting after warning is illegal
Comparison is very valid.
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Stealing an apple is illegal!
Killing 12 million people illegal!
Do you wanna compare those two?
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Yes, they are both illegal. Claiming they are not is incorrect.
So the comparison stands. It is not important HOW illegal it is, it is only important if it is illegal or not. Since the OP claimed that he had done nothing wrong when he clearly did.
I am not talking about punishments. Just about morals.
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Farming was never punished before and its been around since release, so they cant just say : " Oh well we decided its forbidden now and therefore we delete all chars that ever farmed, be it swarms in Creys Folly 4 years in the past, the hero freak map or certain villain maps.
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But there's farming, and then there's farming - and I think people hititng 50 in less than a day crosses the line of what the devs are prepared to allow.
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
Ok, here's some more "great" suggestions:
Get rid of Freaks totally, they're so farmable
Get rid of the LK/SK system, because you can team with 7 ice/kin corruptors that nuke the living daylight out of anything
Get rid of ouroboros totally, it just has to go
Get rid of all the players because any team is clearly an exploit
get rid of inventions to stop interest in farming
..and the market of course, and inf, just let us chose whatever DO/SO we want whenever.
come to think of it there's so much to get rid of we'd better just get rid of the whole game!
oh, forgot, that IS Posi's plan!