COH2 predicted by Massively
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Alvan,
Posted on: 2008-12-27 20:23 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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however you should recall that the Mac project has actually been in partnership with Transgaming and the impact on NCNC's ongoing work, or any sort, is minimal.
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This intrigues me more relating to necros post regarding the extra staff and his speculations as to what they could be working on other than ironing out i14.
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Right now, I can guarantee that GR is groaning into his coffee and wishing he hadn't posted that... 
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Well all i can say is that on top of speculation topping speculation, he has inadvertantly (or has he?) opened up a veritable can of worms, but I agree tho FFM, I can picture him right now hovering over the "edit" function ...Too late GR ...too late
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lol funniest posts yet. Although it's always nice to see GR sniffing around, and not just pruning 
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Sounds like a conformation to me 
So GR whens it out, Can we transfer our characters, can we transfer our bases, can we transfer our badges, can we transfer our IOs, can we transfer out inf, Is it a single world, is it server less, dose it have power customisation, dose it cars with fins, dose it have bikes with fins, hows about boats with fins, can i have a silver surf board, will we get it before or after the new forums, will mission architect work with it, can i be a villain from the get go, will PvP be open, will it have PvP, Will issue 15 be called the end, will it have animated hare, is there any kittens left after all these wills, why is will always involved, who is will, will will be in the game, is will a hero, will heroes be able to become villains, will there be ATs, will the city change as events happen, will recluse see the error of his ways, will but capes come to a city near us, will there be different environments, I'm running out of wills can i use bills?
Ok that's not really serious just in case you didn't guess i don't imagine GR could answer any of that even if he did know the answer
Rampant Speculation Time!
CoX-2 will NOT be produced in 2009. It will be a fully developed MMO separate to CoX (though possibly with character-portability), with a likely release date of 2012/13 (to cover development time - consider the staff NCNC had until recently: there's no way they could have been working on a new game before this).
What we will see in 2009 is a paid-for expansion to a) get the game back on the shelves and b) expand the game universe hugely (expect other places in the world, and/or a "neutral" faction of some type). It will be released concurrently to Issue 15 or 16.
The expansion will not include "must-have" stuff, and will not be required to play the game as we currently know it, but a whole raft of story arcs and missions, spanning Paragon, the Rogue Isles and possibly other places will become available, allowing a single character to experience the richness of the ENTIRE game world, and their own unique stuff, too.
Expect new Archetypes, powersets, enemy groups, costumes. We'll even get the much-asked-for dual-pistols (for blasters, defenders and corrupters), and a staff set for the effette melee types.
Hmm... now we need a catchy name for it.
World of Heroes.
City of Reckoning.
(Okay, I'm being silly, there)
Of course, something that allows travel to both Paragon and the Rogue Isles is very much like the (hoped, prayed and wished for) Going Rogue feature. With extras.
Please, God, let me be close. Please.
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; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
Interesting comment from NCSoft on a Joystiq article about story-telling:
"It's the same obstacle we've always faced - telling compelling stories to our audience. This isn't going to get easier with new technology or higher res models or more interesting gameplay. Those are merely tools and techniques. Our audience wants to be told a story they care about. They want to believe in the impossible.
It doesn't matter if we're developing on the newest game engine or standing on a table spouting our tale to the masses. Can we do it? Sure, we've done it before, we'll do it again, but it's not going to get any easier. If anything it's going to get harder because our audience expects so much from us."
Of note is "This isn't going to get easier with new technology or higher res models"
Ooooh Higher Res models!
Joystiq link:
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/12/29/te...story-telling/
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Does Rockjaw's post still exist?
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Dagnabbit sorry, I meant blog :P, FFM already [osted the link before IIRC but here it is again;
http://totheblogmobile.com/2009/01/03/predicting-2009/
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Hey! Just 'cos I don't post often doesn't mean you can call me FFM! Not that he isn't a nice bloke, but come on - I gotta be due a lil credit for pulling that nugget in!
Its my best forum contribution in ages!
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Does Rockjaw's post still exist?
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Dagnabbit sorry, I meant blog :P, FFM already [osted the link before IIRC but here it is again;
http://totheblogmobile.com/2009/01/03/predicting-2009/
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Hey! Just 'cos I don't post often doesn't mean you can call me FFM! Not that he isn't a nice bloke, but come on - I gotta be due a lil credit for pulling that nugget in!
Its my best forum contribution in ages!
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Edited and corrected, sorry I was originally referring to his reply to your post, mustve slipped my mind, that or FFM has been bribing me with some of ML's corrupt cookies for more recognition, shame on you FFM...shame
Art of War Co-Leader - Union *Global@Warscythe*
"The box said Windows Vista or better - so I installed Linux"
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Edited and corrected, sorry I was originally referring to his reply to your post, mustve slipped my mind, that or FFM has been bribing me with some of ML's corrupt cookies for more recognition, shame on you FFM...shame
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You seriously think that if I got my hands on some of ML's cookies, that I'd do ANYthing other than scoff the lot? What's my nick again?
@FloatingFatMan
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Oh, and I called something big last year... look!
My timing is a little off so I guess their big unannounced project *cough*engineupdate*cough* is having delays...
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Edited and corrected, sorry I was originally referring to his reply to your post, mustve slipped my mind, that or FFM has been bribing me with some of ML's corrupt cookies for more recognition, shame on you FFM...shame
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You seriously think that if I got my hands on some of ML's cookies, that I'd do ANYthing other than scoff the lot? What's my nick again?
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So you lied to me, I was never going to get those cookies?....*sobs*
Art of War Co-Leader - Union *Global@Warscythe*
"The box said Windows Vista or better - so I installed Linux"
Speaking of cookies, quite a lot of people read my post, so I'd better get baking. Damn.
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Speaking of cookies, quite a lot of people read my post, so I'd better get baking. Damn.
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Damn right
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Can't comment on any of the speculation
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Can't, or don't want to?
@Golden Girl
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Big update wont be CoH2, just will be a brand new forums. [censored] 'invalid form' or timeout stuff we got now..
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Can't comment on any of the speculation
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Can't, or don't want to?
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Big update wont be CoH2, just will be a brand new forums. [censored] 'invalid form' or timeout stuff we got now..
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So putting the last 2 posts together it's obvious that GR can't - he keeps trying to but the forum keeps telling him it's an invalid form he's submitting.
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Can't comment on any of the speculation
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Can't, or don't want to?
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Big update wont be CoH2, just will be a brand new forums. [censored] 'invalid form' or timeout stuff we got now..
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So putting the last 2 posts together it's obvious that GR can't - he keeps trying to but the forum keeps telling him it's an invalid form he's submitting.
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My coke! Damn you!
Necrobond - 50 BS/Inv Scrapper made in I1
Rickar - 50 Bots/FF Mastermind
Anti-Muon - 42 Warshade
Ivory Sicarius - 45 Crab Spider
Aber ja, nat�rlich Hans nass ist, er steht unter einem Wasserfall.
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Can't comment on any of the speculation
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Can't, or don't want to?
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Big update wont be CoH2, just will be a brand new forums. [censored] 'invalid form' or timeout stuff we got now..
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So putting the last 2 posts together it's obvious that GR can't - he keeps trying to but the forum keeps telling him it's an invalid form he's submitting.
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XD It maketh me lol
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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Well, when something big does turn up you can say "I told you so"
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It'd better turn up, I already went to the trouble of putting "I told you so" on gold embossed business cards.
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Can't comment on any of the speculation
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Can't, or don't want to?
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Big update wont be CoH2, just will be a brand new forums. [censored] 'invalid form' or timeout stuff we got now..
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So putting the last 2 posts together it's obvious that GR can't - he keeps trying to but the forum keeps telling him it's an invalid form he's submitting.
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Well, he could PM us then
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
Well, Massively seem to want to stand behind their prediction:
http://www.massively.com/2009/01/10/...s-2/#continued
They still think that COH2 is coming when CO is announced and that this ain't gonna be a purchaseable add-on but a complete new game! Complete with, potentially, fixed PvP amongst other things. While the argument is ok, I'm not convinced. Why on earth would NCSoft alienate the current community with a new game utilising the current properties? Unless you can "Transport" into the new game? Still, something to read, and I'm wondering if there's more going on behind the scenes than anyone is willing to let on, and that includes GR who is obviously bound, gagged and yelling for all his worth in the NCSoft basement.
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Still, something to read, and I'm wondering if there's more going on behind the scenes than anyone is willing to let on, and that includes GR who is obviously bound, gagged and yelling for all his worth in the NCSoft basement.
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Well he's either that, or getting strange looks from everyone else in the office as he sits there giggling at all these predictions which are so far out it's untrue.
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Well, Massively seem to want to stand behind their prediction:
http://www.massively.com/2009/01/10/...s-2/#continued
They still think that COH2 is coming when CO is announced and that this ain't gonna be a purchaseable add-on but a complete new game! Complete with, potentially, fixed PvP amongst other things. While the argument is ok, I'm not convinced. Why on earth would NCSoft alienate the current community with a new game utilising the current properties? Unless you can "Transport" into the new game? Still, something to read, and I'm wondering if there's more going on behind the scenes than anyone is willing to let on, and that includes GR who is obviously bound, gagged and yelling for all his worth in the NCSoft basement.
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Agreed - if they were planning a CoX2, then they would have pretty much decreased the amount of content they put in the game, and, as far as I'm concerned, I13 was just as big as any other issue.
NC are showing no signs of stopping production, CO and DCUO are still a few months away, and NC are realasing a MASSIVE feature. It looks like they're preparing for the realase of DCUO and CO with some big stuff. That's what devs do when they aren't making a sequel.
They prepare for the competition. You don't start afresh until you know that a large percentage of your playerbase is being taken away.
Well, he's on the money about something brewing, but a completely separate and different MMO ain't it. The main thing about CoH that keeps it running is the high amount of subscriber retention. People play CoH a lot longer than any other MMO before moving on, and the subscriber base has floated between 100,000 and 150,000 since launch.
If NCNC offered up a brand new MMO and told you that was the future, then they would be forcing people to give up their existing CoH characters. If you do that, you may as well look at every MMO coming out equally, and if CO or DCO happens to be better, you go there. On the other hand, if this big update accommodates CoH veterans, either by revamping what's already there or transferring characters to the new game somehow, NC get to leverage the biggest strength of CoH - the community. Keep that intact and you start off with a really large boot in the door. Force the community to start over and you make the competition look like a valid choice.
A similar situation occurred in the world of PC hardware, almost three years ago now. AMD was in a position of dominance, and in its hubris, released a new socket that needed a new CPU and RAM, making all old systems obsolete. At the same time, Intel pushed out the AwesomeMcPants Core 2 Duo, which everyone still wants to own to this day. If AMD supported their old platform a bit more, they could have held on to more users, but instead they presented them with the need to completely switch platforms. And if you were going to switch, you wanted the best value, which was the Core 2. This... ritual suicide committed by AMD is a bleeding wound that they still haven't recovered from.
The lesson to learn is this: if a competitor comes swinging at you, don't alienate your fans. While that may be a REALLY horrible way to put the moral, you see my point. The community is the strongest thing about the game, I'd say more than any other MMO even, and NC need to keep it.
... Of course, there's always the deep, dark fear I've nurtured ever since the mission architect was announced. With the ability to create your own content, and with possible attractive PvP features and minigames coming, it's possible that NCNC wish to make CoH a self-sustaining MMO, with the users providing all the new content. They can then focus on CoX 2. Of course, such thoughts really do fill me with dread.
Necrobond - 50 BS/Inv Scrapper made in I1
Rickar - 50 Bots/FF Mastermind
Anti-Muon - 42 Warshade
Ivory Sicarius - 45 Crab Spider
Aber ja, nat�rlich Hans nass ist, er steht unter einem Wasserfall.
Right now, I can guarantee that GR is groaning into his coffee and wishing he hadn't posted that...
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Rage, rage against the dying of the light.