In many ways I agree with this, but before we loose the EU community we should at least merge all 4 server we have on this side of the water. And we all know how that move would be viewed across the MMO community at large.
@Boy Wonder
Quantum Flash - Ill/Kin Controller
Leader of the Legion of Heroes
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Je can sehen a petite problemen with das.
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It's pointless wishing for things like merging the server sets. It's NOT going to happen, and has been explained why many many times. If you want to play on the US servers, you can do the same anyone else can. Buy a copy of the US game, and start from scratch. Not the ideal answer, but the ONLY answer.
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If you've nothing better the add - please stay away from this thread.
I'm sure we all know whats been said in the past. However I and others do believe this is a need for the good of the game. If we stop asking then it won't happen.
Please don't try to shoot people down in flames just because you don't want to see the feature being suggested.
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FFM didn't shoot anyone down in flames, he just repeated what is the current stance on this I'm afraid.
You've no right to tell people not to reply in a thread, especially if its just because they make a point disagreeing with yours.
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So what gives you the right to point that out to me?
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By allowing free (or even chargable) movment of toons from one server to another it increase the chances of evening out the server populations.
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It would only do that if people preferred the less populated server. As people tend to prefer the more populated server, the effect of your suggestion would be entirely the opposite.
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But people are saying that there prefer the less populated servers, i.e. the EU. So why would people move from one less populated server to another?
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It's pointless wishing for things like merging the server sets. It's NOT going to happen, and has been explained why many many times. If you want to play on the US servers, you can do the same anyone else can. Buy a copy of the US game, and start from scratch. Not the ideal answer, but the ONLY answer.
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If you've nothing better the add - please stay away from this thread.
I'm sure we all know whats been said in the past. However I and others do believe this is a need for the good of the game. If we stop asking then it won't happen.
Please don't try to shoot people down in flames just because you don't want to see the feature being suggested.
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FFM didn't shoot anyone down in flames, he just repeated what is the current stance on this I'm afraid.
You've no right to tell people not to reply in a thread, especially if its just because they make a point disagreeing with yours.
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So what gives you the right to point that out to me?
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Note I didn't tell you to leave the thread or accuse you of flaming. That would be the difference.
Great idea all this server merging, cant see it happening though.
Been done to death like the farming threads now aint it.
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Je can sehen a petite problemen with das.
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Hhehhh - I'm all for building bridges with my euro chums 
@Boy Wonder
Quantum Flash - Ill/Kin Controller
Leader of the Legion of Heroes
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But people are saying that there prefer the less populated servers, i.e. the EU. So why would people move from one less populated server to another?
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Ugh. It's too early in the morning for this much poor, incongruous rethoric. Do you, or do you not have a real argument as to how your suggestion would benefit the game?
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Ugh. It's too early in the morning for this much poor, incongruous rethoric. Do you, or do you not have a real argument as to how your suggestion would benefit the game?
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Yes yes I do.
If we were given access to the US servers aswell as our own (Thats one big server list) We could choose to play on densly populated servers, or ghost towns.
Then everyone would be happy would they not?
EU side could still collect our money and sort things for us, and the yanks side could still do the same. All I am asking for is a bit of fibre between the current servers or ....Gee Do I even dare suggest it..... A fortnight of no servers to allow a physical move so they all sited in the same place.
Everyone would benifit from more slots and more choice and there would still be a need for NCNC and EUNC
Thanks
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Yes yes I do.
If we were given access to the US servers aswell as our own (Thats one big server list) We could choose to play on densly populated servers, or ghost towns.
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"Access to both US and EU servers" is a different request from "being able to move an EU account to a US account", though.
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EU side could still collect our money and sort things for us, and the yanks side could still do the same.
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There are so many questions about how the two divisions would divide costs that it's not even funny -- and that's not even taking account of the problems of taxation or legislation.
It's a pointless debate anyway. For business reasons NCSoft and NCSoft Europe are not going to do either. They're in this to make money, and they have every right to organise their business in which way they find best. End of story.
Servers in the US are subject to US law.
Servers in the EU are subject to EU law.
US law =/= EU law
I really should do something about this signature.
That is rubbish.
The organisation I work for has servers in the US and they are certaintly not subject to US law.
If it is a fibre link being used then where does the law stand?
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It's pointless wishing for things like merging the server sets. It's NOT going to happen, and has been explained why many many times. If you want to play on the US servers, you can do the same anyone else can. Buy a copy of the US game, and start from scratch. Not the ideal answer, but the ONLY answer.
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NCSoft has done things like that in the past. So I don't see any compelling reasons for them not to do this again if it is economically viable. In the end it is the money that talks. Thant and the wishes of the server population. The cry keeps getting up for a more condensed player base. It will happen sooner or later.
Until that moment I stick it out because i hate losing the paid for things like vet rewards (time and money spend on this game so far), wedding packs etc. Not to mention some great toons that i would hate abandoning.
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The organisation I work for has servers in the US and they are certaintly not subject to US law.
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They most certainly are -- or do you think they're somehow magically protected from a US state or federal warrant just because the people using the servers aren't around?
More to the point, as you're in the EU, storing data on servers in the US, you have to consider both EU and US laws, as both are purusant to your situation.
Oh, and my opinion, after using a trial account to access the US servers:
1) server population: no advantage unless you play after 10PM GMT
2) Performance: No detectable difference for me.
3) Number of stupid rude people: much higher on US servers
4) Number of pleasent people: much higher on EU servers
I really should do something about this signature.
If those servers are on UK soil in the US they are only viable to UK law. It is a unique case I know but still it is an example of how some people make statements that are not quite true.
I was answering a sweeping statement designed to quash my suggestion rather than come up with ways it could work, which I am sure there could be. Other MMOs only have one global network. Why cant ours?
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Oh, and my opinion, after using a trial account to access the US servers:
1) server population: no advantage unless you play after 10PM GMT
2) Performance: No detectable difference for me.
3) Number of stupid rude people: much higher on US servers
4) Number of pleasent people: much higher on EU servers
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Thus they really would benefit to get us nice friendly people visit them!
Praf,
The population on just one server on the US was more than the combined total of all our servers.
I aggree that some servers may be less than ours but christ there are how many servers over there? 12?
And one persons rude person is another persons friend so that is an invalid point if you ask me.
Performance wise, I know people that see a significant difference when they go on the US servers over the UK. So just because you are lucky enough to have a problem free expierence on the EU server doesnt mean everyone does.
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If those servers are on UK soil in the US they are only viable to UK law. It is a unique case I know but still it is an example of how some people make statements that are not quite true.
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Chances of a server host being on embassy soil, very very slim. 
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I was answering a sweeping statement designed to quash my suggestion rather than come up with ways it could work, which I am sure there could be. Other MMOs only have one global network. Why cant ours?
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The decision was taken before EU launch to split off an EU branch of NC Soft to manage it. This was a business decision they made for a myriad of reasons, only SOME of which were the complexities in data protection laws across borders. Now that they have NCSoft EU in place, the would lose MILLIONS if they reverted everything back to the US branch; and a lot of people would lose their jobs too.
It's NOT going to happen, no matter how much people ask for it. It would be cheaper to just close the EU servers and transfer us to the US ones, just like they did with the Korean servers; and retask the EU community and GM staff to other games.
As for other MMO's doing it, even WoW has EU servers. I'm fairly sure an EU account can't connect to the US ones...
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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If those servers are on UK soil in the US they are only viable to UK law. It is a unique case I know but still it is an example of how some people make statements that are not quite true.
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You're thinking embassies? If it's on UK soil it's not in the US, it's in the UK, legally speaking...just surrounded by US territory.
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If those servers are on UK soil in the US they are only viable to UK law. It is a unique case I know but still it is an example of how some people make statements that are not quite true.
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The difference between "servers located in the US" and "servers located under US jurisdiction" is an exceedingly fine hair to split in this context.
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Other MMOs only have one global network. Why cant ours?
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Because NCSoft has decided to structure their business in another way.
So after deciding between ourselves that there is no way we can have servers moved or anything, I ask again.
Please can I get my account migrated to the US please?
I will gladly buy another code but would like my toons and stuff (vets etc) moved to the US account.
I wont even ask to have a badge for it as that may be pushing my luck.
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1) server population: no advantage unless you play after 10PM GMT
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Not really true, Freedom Villains has more people on it at almost any time than the equivilant time on Union I've found. I was playing both one Sunday morning about 11 and Freedom had more people on (and it was 6am over there). Freedom is the highest population server over there though (which is the primary reason I'm on it).
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2) Performance: No detectable difference for me.
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Yep, both are grand but a bit patchy in places in my case. West coast US servers (like Virtue) are a wee bit laggier though.
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3) Number of stupid rude people: much higher on US servers
4) Number of pleasent people: much higher on EU servers
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Yep, but I think this is partially down to the time difference. Times I play over here is 9pm onwards, lots of older people on. On Freedumb it seems to be the Back from School crowd on at the same time.
I've found a higher proportion of leechers, afkers and leaders who won't move until you have absolutely 8 people on the team on Freedumb.
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Please can I get my account migrated to the US please?
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No.
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By allowing free (or even chargable) movment of toons from one server to another it increase the chances of evening out the server populations.
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It would only do that if people preferred the less populated server. As people tend to prefer the more populated server, the effect of your suggestion would be entirely the opposite.