Doooooooom! Subscription numbers, erm, UP
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Alphane,
Posted on: 2008-08-13 10:39 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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SWG.
It was just about half decent.
Star Wars has many many more fans than either Batman or Superman (and as for the rest, Green who?).
It flopped worse than FFM when his levitation device was hit by an EMP.
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Praf, what do you think would have happened if there was a game based around rhe Star wars universe but not exactly the same? Star battles? And it had a similar theme to star wars. And players played it because it was the nearest thing to Star wars they could get? And it had a sub of about 130,000.
And then someone announced they were bringing out a game of the actual Star Wars license?
And you could fight along side Luke and Hans and face the Darths etc...
And, as a kicker, the game turned out to be good....?
What was the first game called again?
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Remember, Ultima Online is still going, after how long? And how many games have come after it in the same genre, with stronger IPs behind them?
If an MMO survives it's first 6 months, it's not going to be killed off just because something else in the same genre comes along.
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because they make your arguments look ridiculous
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His arguments look ridiculous all on their own. They really don't need any help 
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because they make your arguments look ridiculous
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His arguments look ridiculous all on their own. They really don't need any help
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True, but now you've probably scared him off and I was really looking forward to what he was going to say next 
The rationale running through those posts was harder to predict than Lost so I was waiting for a big twist ending with even more melodrama 
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So, contrary to history, you think SWG killed Anarchy Online? (Those games couldn't even kill themselves - and the Dev teams of both tried really hard 
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First off, those two comparisons dont gell. But, for the millionth time, I dont think DC online will kill this game. I think that if the devs dont get their fingers out Dc Online will kill the game.
At the moment its still in our (NCs ) court. BUT, I've seen several alarming signals lately and wantto see something positive very soon.
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all that matters is if enough subscribers are left for the MMO to turn a profit and continue development.
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Which is exactly the point I've been making!
I want them to stop making stupid mistakes and start reactivating interest. We agree.
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Come on, you know you want to reply - stop dodging my rebuttals just because they make your arguments look ridiculous
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LOL. What time did you get up this morning?
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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I dont think DC online will kill this game. I think that if the devs dont get their fingers out Dc Online will kill the game.
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Firstly, I trust the wisdom of NC's roadmap when it comes to how they are going to treat the competition a hell of a lot more than I do yours. Whether you like it or not, they are going to stick to that.
Secondly, CoH has had to deal with Age of Conan; an extremely hyped up game that quite a few people from these boards have played, and despite it's gloss and hyped up features which STILL (afaik) not been implemented, a large number of them (myself included) have COME BACK to CoH because it's the better game. Even if CoH does suffer a dent in numbers when players try DCUO and CO, given the history of the companies that are looking after these new upstarts, there's nothing to say that this won't happen with those too. In fact, I'd say the probability was more likely.
Thirdly, for someone who does nothing on these forums but complain, predict doom and constantly go on and on about how bad ED was, the testament to how good CoH is, and how well it's been managed even under the "bad old regime" of Emmert and co is, YOU ARE STILL PLAYING IT.
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Praf, what do you think would have happened if there was a game based around rhe Star wars universe but not exactly the same? Star battles? And it had a similar theme to star wars. And players played it because it was the nearest thing to Star wars they could get? And it had a sub of about 130,000.
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I would expect that other game would be still chugging along with its sub of 130,000 long after SWG had panicked into making ill judged rules changes and managed to alienate the few players they did have.
No licence will sell a duff product. It may get people to try something, but, contrary to what you seem to think, they are not idiots, and will soon recognise bantha poodoo.
And CO isn't even a decient licence.
I really should do something about this signature.
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And you think Bioware's Star Wars Old Republic MMO (or Cryptic's Star Trek Online, for that matter) will probably kill EVE Online?
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I think KOTORO could kill every other MMO in existance.
I really should do something about this signature.
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And you think Bioware's Star Wars Old Republic MMO (or Cryptic's Star Trek Online, for that matter) will probably kill EVE Online?
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I think KOTORO could kill every other MMO in existance.
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Only if they put near naked elf chicks in it
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But, for the millionth time, I dont think DC online will kill this game. I think that if the devs dont get their fingers out Dc Online will kill the game.
At the moment its still in our (NCs ) court. BUT, I've seen several alarming signals lately and wantto see something positive very soon.
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Mate, this is where you keep going wrong. You're just another punter in this game, and as such you're equipped with an almost insignificant amount of knowledge about what is going on behind the scenes at NorCal. But still you extrapolate all sorts of terrible visions of idleness, ignorance and complacency on the part of the devs.
Having some experience in the videogame development world I'll give you this one for free - The CoX devs, right now, with all the competition due within mere months, are not sitting around playing pinball and smoking cigarettes. You can absolutely bet on them figuring the best way to approach the coming challenges and then rising to them. And, unlike you, they are betting their very livelihoods on the outcome. They may succeed, they may fail, but whatever happens it'll all happen based on internal decisions and pressures that you will never be privy to, not now, not ever. And if they do fail, then all that will have happened is one of the best MMOs ever made will have been superceded by something better.
Now, I'm happy to accept that in your field you are extremely good, maybe even some kind of genius, but your field here is just another subscriber to a service whose provider has a lot more riding on its future than a few hours fun each week.
This is the way I see it.
There are few licences out there that will appeal to the mainstream PC owning player that an MMO must convert into subs. Star Wars, really, should have been and possibly should be the MMO to Rule them All. It's got the licence, the history, the geekiness and the mainstream pulling power to do it. The unfortunate thing was Sony messed it up and, possibly, it was developed too soon before people could genuinely feel as if they were in the SW universe with the graphics tech not really being able to do the SW universe justive with it's richly developed lore and artwork from the movies and other sources until quite recently. You could also say it came before widespread broadband access that wasn't at financially crippling levels. If anything Star Wars should have been able to grind WoW into dust along with just about every other MMO out there.
Star Trek is possibly another licence that can try and de-throne WoW. It has the geekiness, the general acceptance of the lore and history. It all depends on how Cryptic do it.
DC Online is another that might have the capability to at least give WoW a run for it's money. I'm still not 100% sure that consoles will be able to handle MMO's and still allow integration at the level PC players expect. This, of course, also applies to ST:O as well.
Champions online will no doubt garner a lot of attention but as a genuinely interesting and catchy hook for brand new players I'm still not 100% convinced. Can an original IP (to most people CO is a brand new licence, it certainly was to me) Super hero game survive alongside another, already established Superhero MMO? I'm not 100% they'll both be successful. I'm sure they'll survive, but success and survival are very different.
It's sure to be an interesting 12-24 months in MMO land. not forgetting Jumpgate, Black Prophecy, Stargate Worlds, APB and all the other interesting MMO's coming soon!
One thing I do thing has been apparent recently is I believe people are getting a bit sick of elves, orcs wizards and tauren. They want something different and the large amount of Sci-Fi MMO's being developed shows that, for once, developers and publishers have got it right. (I hope).
One last thing, I fully expect EA to really jump on the MMO bandwagon in a big way soon. How I'm not sure but there's still rumour and speculation they're aniffing around NCSoft!
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One last thing, I fully expect EA to really jump on the MMO bandwagon in a big way soon.
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*coughWARcough*
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It is a super hero game. It is set in the iconic super hero universe where you can play along Superman and Batman. Think about that. Superman and Batman.
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Play along - not be - that's an important difference
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One last thing, I fully expect EA to really jump on the MMO bandwagon in a big way soon.
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*coughWARcough*
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Aren't EA just publishing WAR? I mean buying out or starting their own Dev studio or something.
Hmmm, it would appear they own Mythic. I guess most large publishers will be looking for space in MMO land. After all, no pay, no play. Piracy isn't an option with most MMO's.
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@Miss Chief
Issue 13 is going to worth the wait, I'm sure - think of all the great stuff we got when the dev team was small, but now there are twice as many people working on it, and it's still going to take a while to release it - I think that gives a pretty big clue that we're going to be very happy with what they're preparing for us.
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City of Heroes comics and artwork
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I am not a comic book fan. I play CoX because I enjoy the gameplay more than the othe MMOs I have tried. As far as I'm conerned, any new MMO is a competetor for CoX, regardless of genre.
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And I'd guess that a much larger portion of CoH playerbase think the same way, rather than being comic book fans.
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One last thing, I fully expect EA to really jump on the MMO bandwagon in a big way soon.
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*coughWARcough*
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Aren't EA just publishing WAR? I mean buying out or starting their own Dev studio or something.
Hmmm, it would appear they own Mythic. I guess most large publishers will be looking for space in MMO land. After all, no pay, no play. Piracy isn't an option with most MMO's.
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And they own Bioware too, so that's KOTORO with them as well. (That's the whole reason FOR the acquisition in the first place!)
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It is a super hero game. It is set in the iconic super hero universe where you can play along Superman and Batman. Think about that. Superman and Batman.
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Play along - not be - that's an important difference
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Thats the main advantage this game has imo, in the longterm they wont be able to add new enemies/new end of the world threat unless it complies with the story of their comics.
Whereas this game can throw in a new threat anytime that they want (coming storm and cimerora for example) without having to wait for it to appear in the comics first.
I more than likely WONT try those other games, made too many friends here and cant see myself enjoying another game so much. Plus i doubt they will have another atlas chill zone and "atlas music"
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It is a super hero game. It is set in the iconic super hero universe where you can play along Superman and Batman. Think about that. Superman and Batman.
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Play along - not be - that's an important difference
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Thats the main advantage this game has imo, in the longterm they wont be able to add new enemies/new end of the world threat unless it complies with the story of their comics.
Whereas this game can throw in a new threat anytime that they want (coming storm and cimerora for example) without having to wait for it to appear in the comics first.
I more than likely WONT try those other games, made too many friends here and cant see myself enjoying another game so much. Plus i doubt they will have another atlas chill zone and "atlas music"
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Also, because our signature Heroes are so low key, we're the stars of the show
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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It is a super hero game. It is set in the iconic super hero universe where you can play along Superman and Batman. Think about that. Superman and Batman.
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Play along - not be - that's an important difference
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Thats the main advantage this game has imo, in the longterm they wont be able to add new enemies/new end of the world threat unless it complies with the story of their comics.
Whereas this game can throw in a new threat anytime that they want (coming storm and cimerora for example) without having to wait for it to appear in the comics first.
I more than likely WONT try those other games, made too many friends here and cant see myself enjoying another game so much. Plus i doubt they will have another atlas chill zone and "atlas music"
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Also, because our signature Heroes are so low key, we're the stars of the show
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You actually have a very good point there. How often do you hear about superman being saved by a brand new hero? We have been brought up to the belief that these signature heroes are almost undefeatable and always end up saving the day.
Now i have to ignore that belief and watch them just stand by helplessly while a newbie hero tries to save the world from certain destruction?
Least in this game our iconic heroes are shown as defeatable (hell each one has been defeated in one timeline or another) and have some form of reason for not being able to help (the level 45 - 50 praetorian arc is a good example).
ALSO (sorry but love this game too much) we have the backstory as to why there are a tons of new heroes appearing and why all the old ones vanished.
Basically this game makes you feel like the superman of the world, while imo the other game will make you feel like supermans sidekick. (or to be more cheesy, this game makes you batman, the other makes you robin)
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One last thing, I fully expect EA to really jump on the MMO bandwagon in a big way soon.
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*coughWARcough*
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Aren't EA just publishing WAR? I mean buying out or starting their own Dev studio or something.
Hmmm, it would appear they own Mythic. I guess most large publishers will be looking for space in MMO land. After all, no pay, no play. Piracy isn't an option with most MMO's.
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no the development studio is EA/Mythic. they are also the perant company of Bioware, who have an MMO in the works.
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because they make your arguments look ridiculous
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His arguments look ridiculous all on their own. They really don't need any help
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Really? Want a list of observations I made that have come true? It's really pretty big you know.
But thats rhetorical. I aint gonna pander to you. You have to be a lot higher on the pecking order to make me spend more than the time it takes me to write a post like this.
Dont insult me to someone else please.I'm on the same forms as you and I dont like it.
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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2 mission arc. Bring friends cause Lord Anarchy means business...
i would love that list. i could do with a laugh.
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Want a list of observations I made that have come true?
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because they make your arguments look ridiculous
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His arguments look ridiculous all on their own. They really don't need any help
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Really? Want a list of observations I made that have come true? It's really pretty big you know.
But thats rhetorical. I aint gonna pander to you. You have to be a lot higher on the pecking order to make me spend more than the time it takes me to write a post like this.
Dont insult me to someone else please.I'm on the same forms as you and I dont like it.
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"A lot higher on the pecking order"?? Just who do you think you are? If you're going to come out with that sort of self important claptrap, is it any wonder you get insulted on a public forum?
The irony is that post of yours proves my point rather nicely.
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Praf, what do you think would have happened if there was a game based around rhe Star wars universe but not exactly the same? Star battles? And it had a similar theme to star wars. And players played it because it was the nearest thing to Star wars they could get? And it had a sub of about 130,000.
And then someone announced they were bringing out a game of the actual Star Wars license?
And you could fight along side Luke and Hans and face the Darths etc...
And, as a kicker, the game turned out to be good....?
What was the first game called again?
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So, contrary to history, you think SWG killed Anarchy Online? (Those games couldn't even kill themselves - and the Dev teams of both tried really hard
And you think Bioware's Star Wars Old Republic MMO (or Cryptic's Star Trek Online, for that matter) will probably kill EVE Online?
I can probably agree that the Bioware MMO will hurt SWG very badly, maybe even kill it, but that would be as close as I'd come to predicting a probable "kill" because they share the same licence (albeit at different points in the timeline) - but then EQ2 didn't kill EQ (and that was only 500 years ahead in the timeline with very similar game mechanics). You have to realise every game has its fans, even SWG, regardless of overriding public opinion or how strong licences are - all that matters is if enough subscribers are left for the MMO to turn a profit and continue development.
Come on, you know you want to reply - stop dodging my rebuttals just because they make your arguments look ridiculous