Regen isn't about base regen rate - if you think it is you're sorely misinformed and I suggest you go and take a look at the powers. Since the IH change Regen is now all about the heals, and yes, a Regen can get those up very fast now (I know, I have one, it's dumb).
Scrappers aren't exactly damage kings, especially at 50 when squishies have APP shields. Infact, I'm pretty confident I can kill most regens with my controllers (Fire/Rad and Fire/Kin - don't comment on the sets, the whole O HAI FOTM comments are stupid and just betray a poor knowledge of the game imo).
Also, using -Regen to fight a Regen? AHAHAHA WHAT?! Are you serious? Slows. Slows, slows and more slows is probably the easiest and safest way to combat a Regen.
As for Blasters? Damage-vs-Survivability is where it should be at IMO for this AT, infact, it's a bit lower than where it should be, Newfiance is attempting to address that. While I agree that Aid Self combo'd with IO's and something like Powerboost seems daunting, and it can be to new PvP'ers, it's not impossible to counter especially with a Controller.
You seem to be coming from a Controller stand point, well last time I checked rocking 20 BF's in an Arena match leaves you short of ten minutes and - personally - I have no problem stacking over a Break Free (or two... or three maybe) as well as a Tanks Mez Protection. Hell, I've gone over Unyielding and Unstoppable on Test so you can't come crying to me that you have trouble holding a Scrapper unless they've got an entire tray of Strength of Wills which I highly doubt.
I really, honestly don't reply to these things like this, but your entire post screams "<X> BEAT ME SO <X> IS OVERPOWERED PLEASE NERF <X> SO IT WON'T BEAT ME AGAIN". Well you know what, maybe it's not overpowered, maybe you just don't know how to play against it.
In the high levels I have two Controllers, three Blasters, two Scrappers, a Tank, a Brute, a Stalker and a Defender and I can honestly say none of those AT's are an automatic "I win" button.
Go back to the drawing board and try again, and for the love of God can you please work on your sentence structure.
(Oh, and if you don't want to read the entire post - I am trying to be at least reasonably constructive in parts of it, I can summarise the entire thing up with learn2play).
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Considering that controllers were made before PvP was intended, and back then existed as a support character, i'd say they do a tremendous job in PeeWee-land.
If you have such a hard time playing a Controller in PvP either as said before get to know the tactics and combos of the Controller, or roll a more PvP oriented toon, i myself stink as a PvP'er yer COntroller is one of the only classes i can actually "Win" with in PvP and how i do that is easy:
The name of the AT is "Controller" not "Hinder-and-smash-'em-with-assault-secondary", that's what Dominators do, see that your secondary is a support set? Find (or try to find) a teammate go out and hinder the enemy, buff your teammate and see enemies fall like flies.
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I play one of the least offensive troller types and non rad as well and all i can say is you dont know what you are talking about.
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what is up?Nothing.Try one of those against a skilled controller and you are toasted.WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
I wont go analysing since Extremus pretty much summed it up but what i ll tell you is you need to try play some other AT's too in PvP and gain some experience before starting this kind of conclusions.
If you think rad,kin,sonic,empaths etc etc are underpowered in PvP because they cant kill as fast as a blaster you need to learn to play seriously. Controller purpose aint even that in PvP is about control and not killing in god given speeds.And still they manage to do that.
I hear one more breakfee's arguement and inspirations moan and...oh well nvm i know i will anyway...
Everyone is entitled to a wine but... as TG says you should try playing the other AT to see how they actually work before saying that they are overpowered.
Back in the day when the arena 1st came out (seems like an age now) I could not kill my brothers regen scrapper with my blaster every little bit of damage I did he regened it and laughed at my face (and hes my little brother you know how much that sucks!!!) I don't know where this is going...
Anyhow I love my controller / dominator in PVP more than my Scrappers / Mastermind / Blaster - Controllers rock at PVP you should just get your butt in there and start learning your AT, if you ever wanted to PVP some up message me.
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The boost blasters have got isnt just for pvp there other aspects to the game like pve, sorry to say it sounds to me to be another case of "this AT keeps killing me nerf it"
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Wait, what?
Excluding player competence in a) making builds b) playing their builds... Controllers are very good in making mincemeat out of scrappers.
I'm biased to say anything about blasters.
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Why ? Well first of all lets take the controller, they rely on the power of containment but since everyone can have a hold resistent to the roof combined with bf's they can't be held anymore or not long enough so controllers are still powerfull but they are the underdoggs since everyone is getting resistence against there greatest power...
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I bet you have the same opinion about domis too? GL winning omega patient in arena.
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blasters and regens: Overpowered !!!!
I don't like whining but I just got to say this because its bothering me to much. In pvp I find that regens are getting to overpowered and with this whole defiance change its happening to them aswell...
Now since the IO's came out regens got the chance( and they all do it) to make their regen rate so high its not normal anymore combined with dullpain and fast healing they are in my eyes the most overpowered set in all CoH and CoV.
Why ? Well first of all lets take the controller, they rely on the power of containment but since everyone can have a hold resistent to the roof combined with bf's they can't be held anymore or not long enough so controllers are still powerfull but they are the underdoggs since everyone is getting resistence against there greatest power... Scrappers got critical strikes so they got in one hit more damage but I don't see no crits resistence or any of that kind so now I wonder, is it still all that fair. I know holding someone is something powerfull but how can someone get enough damage done unless you are a rad or kin with -regens.... also kins power doesnt even fase regens these days, because of the regen and rec rate....
Same with blasters they shoot out that much damage and now they get a boost ? What the hell is wrong with this game, are we really turning into WoW ?
Most blasters can 2 shot trollers so why the extra boost, in my opinion they got enough damage anyway. Also while i'm at it lets talk about /fire brutes and fire/ tanks double build up O.o ? That must be the reason why everyone is making one these days because it can spam so much damage that its not normal but still the controller gets no boost. But we troller players still got to cope with end problems, stun problems and all that stuff. YES, we can fix most of it with IO's but don't forget other Archtypes can do it aswell so i'm really hate fighting blasters and scrappers these days everyone is getting a boost, but controllers ? No they are to strong well lets see that if you are that squishie with low damage before contaiment kicks in but that power isnt even getting used these days only in PvE, I like to hear other trollers players opinion about this.
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LOL, you are not a whiner just a comedian
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blasters and regens: Overpowered !!!!
I don't like whining but I just got to say this because its bothering me to much. In pvp I find that regens are getting to overpowered and with this whole defiance change its happening to them aswell...
Now since the IO's came out regens got the chance( and they all do it) to make their regen rate so high its not normal anymore combined with dullpain and fast healing they are in my eyes the most overpowered set in all CoH and CoV.
Why ? Well first of all lets take the controller, they rely on the power of containment but since everyone can have a hold resistent to the roof combined with bf's they can't be held anymore or not long enough so controllers are still powerfull but they are the underdoggs since everyone is getting resistence against there greatest power... Scrappers got critical strikes so they got in one hit more damage but I don't see no crits resistence or any of that kind so now I wonder, is it still all that fair. I know holding someone is something powerfull but how can someone get enough damage done unless you are a rad or kin with -regens.... also kins power doesnt even fase regens these days, because of the regen and rec rate....
Same with blasters they shoot out that much damage and now they get a boost ? What the hell is wrong with this game, are we really turning into WoW ?
Most blasters can 2 shot trollers so why the extra boost, in my opinion they got enough damage anyway. Also while i'm at it lets talk about /fire brutes and fire/ tanks double build up O.o ? That must be the reason why everyone is making one these days because it can spam so much damage that its not normal but still the controller gets no boost. But we troller players still got to cope with end problems, stun problems and all that stuff. YES, we can fix most of it with IO's but don't forget other Archtypes can do it aswell so i'm really hate fighting blasters and scrappers these days everyone is getting a boost, but controllers ? No they are to strong well lets see that if you are that squishie with low damage before contaiment kicks in but that power isnt even getting used these days only in PvE, I like to hear other trollers players opinion about this.
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blasters and regens: Overpowered !!!!
I don't like whining but I just got to say this because its bothering me to much. In pvp I find that regens are getting to overpowered and with this whole defiance change its happening to them aswell...
Now since the IO's came out regens got the chance( and they all do it) to make their regen rate so high its not normal anymore combined with dullpain and fast healing they are in my eyes the most overpowered set in all CoH and CoV.
Why ? Well first of all lets take the controller, they rely on the power of containment but since everyone can have a hold resistent to the roof combined with bf's they can't be held anymore or not long enough so controllers are still powerfull but they are the underdoggs since everyone is getting resistence against there greatest power... Scrappers got critical strikes so they got in one hit more damage but I don't see no crits resistence or any of that kind so now I wonder, is it still all that fair. I know holding someone is something powerfull but how can someone get enough damage done unless you are a rad or kin with -regens.... also kins power doesnt even fase regens these days, because of the regen and rec rate....
Same with blasters they shoot out that much damage and now they get a boost ? What the hell is wrong with this game, are we really turning into WoW ?
Most blasters can 2 shot trollers so why the extra boost, in my opinion they got enough damage anyway. Also while i'm at it lets talk about /fire brutes and fire/ tanks double build up O.o ? That must be the reason why everyone is making one these days because it can spam so much damage that its not normal but still the controller gets no boost. But we troller players still got to cope with end problems, stun problems and all that stuff. YES, we can fix most of it with IO's but don't forget other Archtypes can do it aswell so i'm really hate fighting blasters and scrappers these days everyone is getting a boost, but controllers ? No they are to strong well lets see that if you are that squishie with low damage before contaiment kicks in but that power isnt even getting used these days only in PvE, I like to hear other trollers players opinion about this.
I'm not a whiner but I just had to say this !!!!!
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Seriously. Do you have any idea about.. well, anything?
Blasters? Overpowered? REGEN, overpowered!? Controllers- UNDERPOWERED IN PVP!?!?!?
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1) Only people with shields can have high mag resistance
2) Acrobatics is innefective against Controller holds
3) Break Frees aren't that big a deal, my Blaster has no problem holding through them
4) Controllers have unbelievable power, and are probably best in general for most 1v1 fights
5) Having high mez resistance doesn't decrease the time you are mezzed, so "not long enough" is rubbish
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Blasters are the only fully damage class, and should be able to do this to something with such low health. They need to use both Aim and Build up for a two-shot on a Controller, too.
You complain about break frees and your lack of damage. Take a tray or reds.
There is no reason for you to moan so much, roll an Illusion/Storm then try saying Controllers are overpowered. Then, roll an AR/Fire and say Blasters are overpowered (Sorry FG! :P)
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I'd really like to see that. If it was true then I would say blasters are REALLY overpowered, but they cant, ever
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If this was ever close to be true, not anymore. They are the worst AT for team pvp along with scrappers hero side (khelds aside), and after epics nerf, damage input on most of them is as [censored] that its hillarious
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5) Having high mez resistance doesn't decrease the time you are mezzed, so "not long enough" is rubbish
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Blasters are the only fully damage class, and should be able to do this to something with such low health. They need to use both Aim and Build up for a two-shot on a Controller, too.
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There is no reason for you to moan so much, roll an Illusion/Storm then try saying Controllers are overpowered. Then, roll an AR/Fire and say Blasters are overpowered (Sorry FG! :P)
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So, would it be safe to say that the OP wasn't just pwned in pvp, he's been pwned here too? 
I'm not a huge fan of pvp but when I saw 'nerf regen' come up all over again I just groaned and had to read the rest.
My limited experience of pvp with my regen isn't much to go on, but he definitely, positively did not feel overpowered as he was chain held in SC once upon a time.
Well, it beats the usual "Stalker's are overpowered" threads...
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I REALLY want to see some evidence of this, especially in the PvP zones. I'd love to take down Brutes/Dominators/Masterminds some day, well, at least some that know what they're doing 
As for Regens, if they know what they're doing then they are practically invulnerable against anything except for Corruptors/Defenders/Controllers/Masterminds. I've rarely seen anything other than one of those take down a good Regen.
The key thing is though, that only the experienced/veteran PvPers can really take full advantage of their powers. If they don't have the knowledge of how to play a Mastermind or a Regen, they could be taken down easily. So I semi-agree with you in the way that Regens are overpowered, because they are under the right circumstances (non-debuffing char, Regen scrapper that knows what he/she is doing) but Blasters, overpowered? Hehe, right
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Well I can see where you are going on this but MO regen isn't as overpowered as it seems to portray here. i've been playing one for a lng time and still prefer bringing out the trollers for PvP.
Regen is (As mentioned above) a tough nut to crack if played very well - but try fighting effectively with a regen that is hit with slows time & time again - it's tough. All in all the AT's & Sets have weaknesses all over - if one type beats you alot vary your play style or find something to counter it.
Blasters overpowered - yes they have that heroic moment of burst damage - but catch them out of aim and BU (hide behind a wall or quickly leap away) and they won't seem that threatening - practice and play mor in the zones in different teams and you'll soon find the weaknesses to both of these.
I say bring back toggle IH then I'll agree to Overpowered regen
blasters and regens: Overpowered !!!!
I don't like whining but I just got to say this because its bothering me to much. In pvp I find that regens are getting to overpowered and with this whole defiance change its happening to them aswell...
Now since the IO's came out regens got the chance( and they all do it) to make their regen rate so high its not normal anymore combined with dullpain and fast healing they are in my eyes the most overpowered set in all CoH and CoV.
Why ? Well first of all lets take the controller, they rely on the power of containment but since everyone can have a hold resistent to the roof combined with bf's they can't be held anymore or not long enough so controllers are still powerfull but they are the underdoggs since everyone is getting resistence against there greatest power... Scrappers got critical strikes so they got in one hit more damage but I don't see no crits resistence or any of that kind so now I wonder, is it still all that fair. I know holding someone is something powerfull but how can someone get enough damage done unless you are a rad or kin with -regens.... also kins power doesnt even fase regens these days, because of the regen and rec rate....
Same with blasters they shoot out that much damage and now they get a boost ? What the hell is wrong with this game, are we really turning into WoW ?
Most blasters can 2 shot trollers so why the extra boost, in my opinion they got enough damage anyway. Also while i'm at it lets talk about /fire brutes and fire/ tanks double build up O.o ? That must be the reason why everyone is making one these days because it can spam so much damage that its not normal but still the controller gets no boost. But we troller players still got to cope with end problems, stun problems and all that stuff. YES, we can fix most of it with IO's but don't forget other Archtypes can do it aswell so i'm really hate fighting blasters and scrappers these days everyone is getting a boost, but controllers ? No they are to strong well lets see that if you are that squishie with low damage before contaiment kicks in but that power isnt even getting used these days only in PvE, I like to hear other trollers players opinion about this.
I'm not a whiner but I just had to say this !!!!!