My Fire/Kin is an endurance eating monster. I cannot imagine trying to run her without stamina.
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RoF + Char + RoF with hotfeet beats SW + Blind anyday
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No it doesn't, when soloing. Ill rad probably kills quicker even after imps, but not after fulcrum
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Depends on what you mean by soling. With Fire/Rad you can take on huge spawns of blues, whites & yellows : Hazard Zones are a must. With Illusion you're better off taking smaller bunches of yellows+ as PAs get a bit distracted with large spawns.
Swings and roundabouts really.
Deceive is a great early tool for Illusion, especially solo. Don't skip it!
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RoF + Char + RoF with hotfeet beats SW + Blind anyday
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No it doesn't, when soloing. Ill rad probably kills quicker even after imps, but not after fulcrum
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Sorry but you can't disagree with that. RoF + Char + RoF with hotfeet running IS higher damage than SW + blind + SW, against one target. Against more than one target, fire does way more damage. Check the numbers (and by that I mean, activation time, recharge, too, not just damage). Try it in game. This isn't even considering the healback portion of SW. 1,5s animation on your main hold and no containment set-up on your main attack really hurts damage.
(Assuming Hasten/AM, or Hasten + 1 SS and everything slotted for damage, at 50)
Over 20s for example, ill will be able to do SW -> Blind -> SW (wait 3s) SW -> Blind -> SW (wait 3s) SW -> Blind -> SW (wait 3s) for a total of (100 + 60 + 160 x 50 + 120 x 2) = 1200 damage.
While Fire can do RoF -> Char -> RoF (wait 2s) RoF -> Char -> RoF (wait 2s) RoF -> Char -> RoF (wait 2s) RoF -> Char -> RoF (wait 2s), while Hotfeet is ticking every 2s, for a total of (65 + 130 x 11 + 30 x 10) = 1795 damage.
This is against one tough target, and not considering the healback portion of SW ; more targets will obviously give more damage to fire, and weaker targets will mean Ill will take more time to set-up containment, and deal less damage, while Fire sets containment with any of its attacks. Fire can also use fire cages while RoF recharges, for a little more damage (and AoE containment if there's more than one enemy, of course).
Now if you want to argue the pets or deceive give Ill a damage advantage (which wasn't the part you quoted), I'd still disagree, because of the random attacks you get from the decoys, the healback, the fact it isn't perma, they can't be buffed, etc.. Phantasm is weaker than even one imp against a single target, because of the long animations times of power bolt and ET compared to imp's brawl. The only thing great about it is ET, being an AoE and all, but it's a poor shadow of contained hotfeet.
In the end... Fire has a fast AoE containment source and hotfeet, add to that fireball, ice storm or psy tornado and its AoE damage is crazy. Ill has... nothing. Unless you want to use Flash + Fireball, IEM + Fireball... like once a year. CC is unreliable (only 50% chance even if it hits, against lieuts) and sucks a lot of end.
Ill is awesome for taking on tough opponent like AV/GM, but it just doesn't cut it in killing speed compared to Fire, IMO. While Fire's DoTs can seem unimpressive, it adds up fast.
Hmm well, due to Lecxe's comments and this video, i've decide to change, to fire/rad. Now, still looking for a build 
Can some one post a nice leveling one? Thanks x
That video, the guy isnt special. I wouldnt even call him a good PvPer. He is fighting people without break free's with simple tactics. You should see what good PvPers can do.
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controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr
What Imag said basically.
Fire/Rad is really awesome and in a lot of cases faster than Ill/Rad but Ill/Rad will perform better and safer seen over all 50 lvls.
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Hmm well, due to Lecxe's comments and this video, i've decide to change, to fire/rad. Now, still looking for a build Can some one post a nice leveling one? Thanks x
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ROFL!!! that vidio is so funny. He fights against peeps without accro and Bfs. Dont get me wrong fire rad is proberly the most over powered set in the game and any noob can do well with it. That guy in the vidio, from Defiant? 
Plus in the 40s AV mission teams will adore you if you're Illusion/Rad. Especially cowardly tanks in the Clockwork King mish 
I got bored of Fire/Rad by level 38 in PvE. There was absolutely no challenge. Just Smoke, RI, Flashfire, cages, EF and run in and hotfeet them to death...
Its the reason I switched to a Grav/TA, keeps me busier.
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You should see what good PvPers can do.
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Yeah, make whole SG's full of Pvpers to super buff the damage dealers and mass gank the squishy people.
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You should see what good PvPers can do.
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Yeah, make whole SG's full of Pvpers to super buff the damage dealers and mass gank the squishy people.
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Can you rephrase it so I can understand it? What I think you said is that the reason we are good is that we have the right toons.
Thats not entirely true dude.
There are two ways to play in the zone and be good at it. Either through gimic or through skill.
Gimics are stuff like defiance blasters, telemining, AS(a good stalker uses all powers and gets alot of kills, a bad one can only use AS), tp foe, only fighting in elude. Basicly people who only gets kills 1 way.
But good players can counter this through skill alone, simply by being alot better at playing the game.
The guy in the video is IMO a gimic fighter and when he shows non gimics its against poor opponents that doesnt give any kind of resistance. His power choices are based on exploiting newbies in the zone, squishies without BFs and acrobatics, not on what is the true best powers if you are fighting good opponents.
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controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr
Yeah cos on your controller you would brawl a granite tanker to death through *skill* =]
Say what?, Ill reply once I understand it.
If you asking if I can take a granite down with my troller, then the answer is yes.
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controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr
Heh switched again! Currently a 4 ill/rad, folowing an build that was made during I6 here, but if things dont look right i wont do them. But if someone wants to post a build for me... (i really have no clue)
Thanks x
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Say what?, Ill reply once I understand it.
If you asking if I can take a granite down with my troller, then the answer is yes.
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i think hes saying that some builds just require no skill to play well.
ps. dont shoot the messenger. 
edit2: i apologise to sheep if what i said above is not actually what you meant.
edit3: added "i think"
edit4: removed edit 1 as it was now uneccesary
Get a real Troller - Go Mind/Emp and team loads! :-)
/emp a real troller? Meh
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/emp a real troller? Meh
[/ QUOTE ]The point in taking /emp is so you can ignore your secondary and take all the mind powers
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Get a real Troller - Go Mind/Emp and team loads! :-)
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[censored]? /emp is the least controller
Real controllers -
Fire/Rad
Earth/Storm
Mind/Trick arrow
As they... control the whole aspect of the mobs your fighting
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/emp a real troller? Meh
[/ QUOTE ]The point in taking /emp is so you can ignore your secondary and take all the mind powers
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Hey that's not fair..... well yes it is. Its hard playing a mind controller without taking all the powers and its hard pushing back the boredom level to play an emp.
But then I'm finding kin dull at the moment, just not enough debuffs.
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Isn't the reason you take a /Emp Troller because you want to be a healer, but rather than just shoot you want to do something differant.
On that I think i'll go make an Ice/Emp and team lots
ill/storm FTW everytime in my book solo's quite easilly
on invicible
Fire-Kin.
Hands down.
i didnt want to make a new post so what would you say is the quickest type of controller to level when in a team?
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i didnt want to make a new post so what would you say is the quickest type of controller to level when in a team?
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Totally depends on you and team, not so much which powersets
Thanks alot guys, im opting for a Ill/Rad now. Could someone post a build please? best leveling build ofc, and when to get slots and such. Thanks!