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And anyway. Healbot/Buffbot; it just means the Empath doesn't do anything other than watch a health/buff bar and that's not an exciting thing to do.
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What? Have you ever actually DONE this? Like, properly?
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And anyway. Healbot/Buffbot; it just means the Empath doesn't do anything other than watch a health/buff bar and that's not an exciting thing to do.
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What? Have you ever actually DONE this? Like, properly?
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Yes. Sux
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And anyway. Healbot/Buffbot; it just means the Empath doesn't do anything other than watch a health/buff bar and that's not an exciting thing to do.
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What? Have you ever actually DONE this? Like, properly?
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Don't you have to avoid the other team too? Avoid getting killed yourself? lol
I think theres more too it than watching health and buffs. I've never been an empath but i've played kinetic and thats not too different. Buff and get chased while humming 'staying alive'.
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What? Have you ever actually DONE this? Like, properly?
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or u just got fed up of watching health bars die and gave up?
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And anyway. Healbot/Buffbot; it just means the Empath doesn't do anything other than watch a health/buff bar and that's not an exciting thing to do.
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What? Have you ever actually DONE this? Like, properly?
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Don't you have to avoid the other team too? Avoid getting killed yourself? lol
I think theres more too it than watching health and buffs. I've never been an empath but i've played kinetic and thats not too different. Buff and get chased while humming 'staying alive'.
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indeed, the trick is to be able to watch the health bars, buff icons and where ur going all at the same time. pvp emping is probably the most fun ive had in pvp. nothing like the adrenalin rush on using AP on sum1 in the red b4 they get hit again 
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Asking someone to come into PvP with you on a Scrapper is opening up for them to be a DAMAGEBOT!!!
You might not like PvP Empathing, but a lot of us do, as I think the other replies have made clear. As has also been made clear, those of us who have an Empath (or other buffing character) probably quite like healing and buffing... because that's what those characters do. (Although, as has also been made clear, there's just a touch more to it than staring at health bars, especially when everyone in the zone wants you dead first and foremost.)
Much like I don't like Scrappers very much, but still recognise hitting things as a valid form of gameplay, the fact that you don't like playing an Empath doesn't mean it's a Bad Thing.
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But "We're just telling you that they can, and they're not." is opinion, not evidence Syn.
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I'm not the one claiming I'm providing evidence though. Do you see how this works?
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(Hold on...didn't MM Pets get nerfed down because they were too powerful...oh yes...)
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When? They've certainly never been reduced since CoV went live. And I'd take my 6 Robots over 1 Heavy any day of the week, -1, 0, and +1 as they are.
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as is often the case in most of CoH; the environment is more powerful than the players; even teamed.
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You need to take a deep breath and look at what you're doing to your sentence structure. After that, you need to take a look at what you're saying and then... not say it. Since when in CoH is the environment more difficult than the players? Is there any part of the game that hasn't been cracked by the playerbase? Simply: what the hell are you even talking about? 
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The name of the game is SuperHero. Super being 'above the norm'. Here we're below the norm.
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You might be, I know I definitely don't feel that way. This might be because I actually spend more time playing the zone than talking about playing the zone, but who knows?
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Xanthus, Stryker, Shaman and Cel (did I ever miss the boat on this one) all managed to get in before me to point out the short-sightedness in that statement and I'm sure there would easily be more to follow, if it needed repeating. Have you ever played an Empath in CoX PvP, or are you just basing your entire knowledge on your EQ Cleric again?
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Now; if, as you've admitted; certain AT's find RV difficult; that sort of kills the end-game for most of us (Which consists of Newspaper Missions (Impossible Bank Raids); RV (Extrememly hard defences) or Hami...)
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I said certain builds might find RV difficult when solo. Lots of things are difficult for certain builds solo, this is why we have the opportunity to team with up to 7 (SEVEN) other people, in order that we might not only make up for our shortcomings but build on our strengths. Hami is being beaten weekly, our VG does weekly RSF runs, and I have no idea why you consider Bank Raids (Mayhem Missions or Bank Raids?) impossible. Are you trying to play without a mouse?
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Heavies are pretty damn squishy, either in being taken out completely or in being rendered effectively useless. That's about as far as you can get from "close to invincible" whilst still being on the same page.
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you're arguing from the same point as I am; just differing sides.
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I'm not going to keep discussing this with you until you take more medicine. One, you need to start making sense. Two, you need to re-read the whole thread with a clear mind if you're under any misapprehension that we're at all arguing the same thing - I've just tried to be as diplomatic as I can be without going all Plight about it and screaming ZOMGLRN2PLAI. 
@Synaesthetix
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"that Syn is that that" - Mothers Love
Fair enough, you have your own view. Possibly taken from your AT.
I find it difficult to play in RV with Heavies/GP's. You seem to be ignoring my opinion in place of your own. That's your perogative.
However, RV is empty a lot of the time; ever considered why? Perhaps, just perhaps, it's the Risk vs. Reward of taking out the environment for XP over taking out skilled players for nothing.
Just as a thought. Name anywhere that gives you an immediate boost of Damage/Defence etc. over everything else.
Risk vs. Reward. That's the Cryptic take on it. You can call me names as much as you wish, still doesn't change the fact that RV is often empty; and that's NOT just due to the lack of challenge there.
It's quite easy to lead an army in there to 'arrest' all newcomers; it's more difficult to achieve when there is no-one in there worth arresting.
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I'm not the one providing an ad hominem argument to preserve the status quo though; you (and your partner) are saying that it's broken; but you don't wish to fix it.
Lower the Environment aspect and boost the Player aspect; that's all we're asking for; and is something, that in a way, you agree with.
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...you (and your partner) are saying that it's broken; but you don't wish to fix it.
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No, I'm certainly not saying that. I'm just saying I don't agree with your suggested 'fix'. Go back, re-read my posts, and you'll see I've reasoned out exactly why I don't agree with your suggestion, and offered my own take on things. I'm not just asking for the status quo to be preserved by any stretch - I just don't want a rather fun element of the zone to vanish when there's no need for it to do so.
I've also never asked for the environment aspect to be lowered, and I'm sure Syn will tell you this himself, but he hasn't either - in fact, we both tend to be pretty big proponents of the idea that if you want pure PvP without PvE interaction, then go to the Arena. When I'm asking for is something to cause more players to actually complete the (PvE) objectives, and also take part in PvP in the course of doing so. Entirely different from asking for things to just be removed, which helps nothing at all.
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However, RV is empty a lot of the time; ever considered why? Perhaps, just perhaps, it's the Risk vs. Reward of taking out the environment for XP over taking out skilled players for nothing.
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Or perhaps there aren't that many level 50 PvPers with builds that they would enjoy using in PvP at that level. Also they might enter RV think no one here and leave. 3 minutes later someone else walks in thinks its empty and leaves. The only times when there has been alot of PvP in RV is when it has been organised. So that all the players that like to PvP in RV are there at the same time.
I don't believe that the people farming pillboxes for xp or badges are exclusive to farming xp/badges either. I've seen people go from PvE to PvP when the enemy shows up and I've done it myself.
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I think if the environment aspect was lowered it would be too easy. If we go by the three teams needed then the level of difficulty is just right for the AVs/Heroes. Making things easier would also detract from the level of heroism/villainy. If Recluse etc. were easy to defeat why are they still in power? I see the zone as being tough and unforgiving as I can't just wade in and take over things solo. I need backup in the form of a heavy or a team.
Another thing is that Heavies reduce the amount of players needed to take over pillboxes or defeat AVs. If they were reduced in effectiveness there would be very little point in them.
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I don't believe that the people farming pillboxes for xp or badges are exclusive to farming xp/badges either. I've seen people go from PvE to PvP when the enemy shows up and I've done it myself.
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Very true. There certainly are people who exclusively farm, but you'd be surprised how many will fight back - and even bring friends in to help fight back - if you go after them. Personally, I go in there and farm turrets until people show up. It gives me something to do while I'm waiting around for people, and I can generally get some decent PvP in any given night if I hang around for a while. If there were nothing PvE-related to do in the zone though, I'd leave out of boredom before I got the chance to fight anyone.
Some really great stuff in this thread, someone really should save it before the mighty bridger comes and deletes it. By great stuff I mean I actually was laughing so hard coffee came out of my mouth.
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Fair enough, you have your own view. Possibly taken from your AT.
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Which AT would this be then? Please illuminate me. I don't just play one AT in RV, I play a number of different ATs - depending on day, mood, prevailing wind and what the old Chinese guy under our staircase advises me - can you say the same?
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I find it difficult to play in RV with Heavies/GP's. You seem to be ignoring my opinion in place of your own. That's your .
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I'm taking the opinion of everyone who's posted in this thread on board - it just so happens that the weight of opinion matches up not only with my own feelings on the subject, but what I've seen in-game. Plus, I can't take you seriously when you're making such asinine comments about "healbots" and PvP in general.
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If you'd read any of my posts, you'd see that I've not only considered it but given some reasoning why. Go back, read it, be happy. \o/
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Anywhere you can buy insps you can get an immediate and direct boost of damage and defence. Teaming with other ATs can get you the same. Hell, some Tier 9 powers boost defence and endurance recovery, and some powers make you completely invulnerable for a period of time... will that do you for now?
Not to mention that Heavies don't give you a boost of defence at all, they just give you a mobile gun platform that's geared towards taking down immobile PvE elements. Throw something that's constantly moving at a Heavy, and it tends not to fare too well.
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Please point out where exactly I've called you "names"? I'm used to you pulling [censored] "facts" and "evidence" from thin air, but please don't try to play the victim card in order to dodge the questions I've asked that you have no answer for, it's just very poor form.
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It's quite easy to lead an army in there to 'arrest' all newcomers; it's more difficult to achieve when there is no-one in there worth arresting.
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Worth is relative. Consider this a caution on trying to switch your position again Weasel - if it's so "easy" to lead an army into RV, why were you trying to argue before that it's so difficult for you to get a team (with or without healbots, the menace of the Western seaboard) in RV? Either it's easy to get a team into RV or it's not. Either it's easy to PvE as a team in RV with or without the presence of heavies, or it's not. Pick a position and for the love of God, try to stick with it longer than the next reply.
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I'm not the one providing an ad hominem argument to preserve the status quo though; you (and your partner) are saying that it's broken; but you don't wish to fix it.
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Now I know you're not reading my posts, otherwise you would have seen the paragraphs I took time to write about what changes I would like to see made to the dynamics of the zone. Cel pretty much covered the rest - I don't agree with your "fix", or the reasons behind it.
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Not all of us are entitled to multiple 40+ characters. SOme of us have to make do with what we got.
What has that got to do with anything?
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Ie. I can't switch to a more suitable character in a given situation in RV.. If theres no one to team with and heavies prevent me from trying 1v1, then its all for nothing and grinders can just continue to grind away in total peace.
Anyway the responses and general demeanor in this thread has made me depressed. Sign me off from PVP until further notice.
This isn't one of those 'mine is bigger than yours' arguments is it? What you do with it counts too
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That isnt what the zone is for anyway. If its 1 v 1 you want then arena is a far better place to try.
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That isnt what the zone is for anyway. If its 1 v 1 you want then arena is a far better place to try.
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I meant to point out that the high rewards in RV exist because the place is supposed to be risky. It sure as hell isnt as it is.
Last post from me for now. Have fun grinding inf there or what the hell you use the zone for anyway.
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I meant to point out that the high rewards in RV exist because the place is supposed to be risky. It sure as hell isnt as it is.
Last post from me for now. Have fun grinding inf there or what the hell you use the zone for anyway.
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I use it for pvp, I dont care about inf.
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I can see his point though. There are some "AT breaking" powers out there that make me think "If only i had another toon that wasnt affected by that. I could switch and play again". I dont think heavies are all that "AT breaking" though, especially since they are available to everyone anyway.
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Anyway the responses and general demeanor in this thread has made me depressed. Sign me off from PVP until further notice.
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(Which consists of Newspaper Missions (Impossible Bank Raids); RV (Extrememly hard defences) or Hami...)
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What's wrong with a challenge?
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