Things that make people leave PVP (social side)

I guess that just cleaned it up for me a bit then. The reason the worst of it is around, seems to be because so many people (some regulars included) either ignore it completely, encourage it, or take part in it. Feels kinda lonely, being the only one who seems to shiv a git about that stuff. xP

Disillusion GET!

The world would be a much better place if it wasn't always the victims who had to change their ways.

"They insulted me."
"Grow a spine!"

Sadly, it isn't. Though, it is easier and faster to just ignore them all...it's not right, but it saves a lot of time and hassle.

I don't advise you to suck it up and get on with your life. I do advise you to understand that you're better than them. This is all based on the assumed fact that your "tormentors" weren't in the habit of upsetting others/ruining the gaming experience. If they were, a whole other course of action should be taken, but by the mods/GMs, not you.

True, most PvPers like to spice things up with a bit of harmless smacktalk - that's what makes PvP so enjoyable! And these people don't mean to hurt you, or anyone else...but they also don't know if you're going to take offence or not. All of this can be solved with either a removal of the tab, /ignore or a polite tell.

To quote a slightly maladjusted friend, "Your blood tastes good as I lick it off my spines," could be incredibly insulting to someone, but it's not meant that way. Just a bit of fun. Personal opinion: You can usually tell if someone's smacktalking or harrassing by how bizarre their speeches are .

Sorry if I sound motherly...but you're allowed to be upset and rant on here.

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Sorry if I sound motherly...but you're allowed to be upset and rant on here.


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No problem, I think I ran out of steam after the first post really. Im like that, i'll think of a forum post to throw into here, then never get around to it until ages later... this is really a gripe about a load of stuff I saw/was on the recieving end of a while back, so whilst its too long ago to have a serious [ladydog] about, I still felt like typing it up. Kind of a better late than never thing. No proof that this still occasionally happens in the PVP zones, but I dont doubt it.

Thing is, you can normally tell when someone has had enough. Even 'teabagging', corpsehumping and other lolnub-isms arent meant with malice, they're there to annoy and frustrate, right? But people have limits. Pushing that kind of stuff way too far is akin to tele-mezzing someone into a mob. There are lines. Whilst things can be valid tactics and within the rules, some stuff just ruins it, y'know?

I guess its time to break away from the 'never ignore' idea and start juggling names as my list maxes out again.

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I guess its time to break away from the 'never ignore' idea and start juggling names as my list maxes out again.

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Piece of friendly advice, its easier to remove broadcast and private messages from the topmost chat tab instead when youre in PVP zone But ignoring certain people does help.

Also one thing is not to answer their insults even if you see them on your tabs. Answering will just fuel fuming people further and what you say is irrelevant to them.

Petitioning should be done so people may have to learn to keep their cool better.

PS: It takes a lot to anger me in PVP zones these days, if Im tp-foe ganked, 5 against 1 or something, Im ok with that. Tp foe to drones is something that I strongly dislike though, it takes the fun factor away.

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"Your blood tastes good as I lick it off my spines"

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See, that's the kind of smacktalk that's good - it outrageous, makes no reference to the opponent's abilty, and is almost IC, in as far as it refers to the players in-game apperance and (possibly ) habits.

Day I leave PvP here, is the day i leave the game.

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Leaving PvP because of social things? People like that are pathetic for actually letting other people get to them.

1. They win for getting you to leave.
2. You are letting people over the internet effect your enjoyment, this is sad and you shouldn't let it happen.

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Basically agree with this totally


Oh and I believe I joined your team while that smack talk was occuring archelon, to be honest i would just ignore it completely and get on with opening a can of wtpfwnage on these tools

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Day I leave PvP here, is the day i leave the game.

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*Not read the original post at all*

Leaving PvP because of social things? People like that are pathetic for actually letting other people get to them.

1. They win for getting you to leave.
2. You are letting people over the internet effect your enjoyment, this is sad and you shouldn't let it happen.

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Basically agree with this totally


Oh and I believe I joined your team while that smack talk was occuring archelon, to be honest i would just ignore it completely and get on with opening a can of wtpfwnage on these tools

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My approach is now, and will continue to be: Petition the person, then ignore it and get on with opening cans of whatsits (not that I open cans of whatsits very often - I'm too busy running away like a scared little girlie man all the time apparently )

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My approach is now, and will continue to be: Petition the person, then ignore it and get on with opening cans of whatsits (not that I open cans of whatsits very often - I'm too busy running away like a scared little girlie man all the time apparently )

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I thought whatsits came in bags.

Yeah true dat if he's throwing loads of abuse on broadcast, swearing etc petition it THEN open a can of wtfpwnage, I've never stuck anyone on /ignore

I enjoy watching a particularly abusive player use the "brisk jog" travel power after stacking a load of web grenades on them

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"Your blood tastes good as I lick it off my spines"

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See, that's the kind of smacktalk that's good - it outrageous, makes no reference to the opponent's abilty, and is almost IC, in as far as it refers to the players in-game apperance and (possibly ) habits.

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I personally like 'smacktalk' thats 'in-character' but its kinda rare i think..

Funny, I've had petitions thrown at me for IC Smacktalk as well. And AFAICR, it was saying they smell.

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Oh and I believe I joined your team while that smack talk was occuring archelon, to be honest i would just ignore it completely and get on with opening a can of wtpfwnage on these tools

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Actually thats the part that makes me the most bitter. My cunning plan had failed. When he took it beyond playful banter/smacktalk, I do my usual of talking them down, to either get them to chill or maybe leave the zone. After a bit of (polite) verbal pummelage, he left the zone. You know whats wrong with this picture? I was too busy bloody returning fire to actually get back in there and take him out :/ Thats a hobby of mine, duelling brutes with my controller, s'kinda fun. Still if you remember correctly, the real reason I left the zone early that night, was because we had a ludacrous number of heroes and a farts-worth of villains who refused to leave (suicidal buggers that they were)

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I personally like 'smacktalk' thats 'in-character' but its kinda rare i think..


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Thats why I wont disable my villain chat when I go into PVP. I dont think it'd be quite as good if there wasnt that constant hum of banter, y'know?

I'll be in SC later on tonight anyways, well behind on my KO quota.

I feel exactly the same way you do, Qi.

Saying "it's on the internet, you can't possibly take it seriously" is like saying that if a person insults you over the phone, it's okay. like there's a set range at which insults no longer work. There's still a human being sitting behind those handles you throw [censored] at.

Telling people to grow a spine and just ignore the insults is just another insult, and in any case, I can stand upright, so I DO have a spine. Just because I'd like to beat the living [censored] out of griefers and insulting bastards don't mean I'm pathetic, it means I don't take kindly to people who think they are better than others and disrespects anyone and everyone. I'd like to tear out their own spines and jam it into a meatgrinder, but as I can't actually do this (mostly because of the long distances), I get frustrated and angry, because I can't for the life of me tolerate disrespectful people. (And I KNOW this is kind of a paradox, but that's just me. I can't tolerate people who don't tolerate people. How do you think it makes me feel about myself. )

Why the HELL is it nessecary to insult and disrespect people you don't know? Why do people HAVE TO BE [donkey]holes to human beings? I got one answer, and that goes for the people who acts like this, and the people that supports that behaviour and everyone who tolerates it. LACK OF SELFDIGNITY. If you have an ounce of it, you don't HAVE to insult others. If you got a pinkie-sized amount of it you don't need to ground people into the muck of your own brain.

The only real way of showing people how great you are is to be able to give compliments, to admit that others MIGHT be better than you at certain things. Insulting strangers and causing them grief only lessens your status in the eyes of people who understand these things.

I'm a 'special' case however. I understand these things, but having been the victim of harrassment and bullying for all my 12 years at school, my fuse in these matters are extremely short.

There is no excuse whatsoever to act like a [donkey]hole, and especially not to strangers. Also, supporting or just plain tolerating it is no better. Not at all, it just deepens the frustration of the victims. It's not all fun and games when people bully and harrass others, and just because it's over the internet doesn't make it any better. There is still human beings on the recieving end.

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Why is it always seen as a weakness to be nice to other people? Why is it the [donkey]holes who are always seen as the strong ones? And like Stasis said, why is it the people who are nice to others and generally doesn't do anything wrong who has to change their ways?? OMG! IT'S ALL GONE TO TEH AMERICANS! (at least it will if it's always the nice people who has to adapt to the [donkey]holes)

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I feel exactly the same way you do, Qi.

Saying "it's on the internet, you can't possibly take it seriously" is like saying that if a person insults you over the phone, it's okay. like there's a set range at which insults no longer work. There's still a human being sitting behind those handles you throw [censored] at.

Telling people to grow a spine and just ignore the insults is just another insult, and in any case, I can stand upright, so I DO have a spine. Just because I'd like to beat the living [censored] out of griefers and insulting bastards don't mean I'm pathetic, it means I don't take kindly to people who think they are better than others and disrespects anyone and everyone. I'd like to tear out their own spines and jam it into a meatgrinder, but as I can't actually do this (mostly because of the long distances), I get frustrated and angry, because I can't for the life of me tolerate disrespectful people. (And I KNOW this is kind of a paradox, but that's just me. I can't tolerate people who don't tolerate people. How do you think it makes me feel about myself. )

Why the HELL is it nessecary to insult and disrespect people you don't know? Why do people HAVE TO BE [donkey]holes to human beings? I got one answer, and that goes for the people who acts like this, and the people that supports that behaviour and everyone who tolerates it. LACK OF SELFDIGNITY. If you have an ounce of it, you don't HAVE to insult others. If you got a pinkie-sized amount of it you don't need to ground people into the muck of your own brain.

The only real way of showing people how great you are is to be able to give compliments, to admit that others MIGHT be better than you at certain things. Insulting strangers and causing them grief only lessens your status in the eyes of people who understand these things.

I'm a 'special' case however. I understand these things, but having been the victim of harrassment and bullying for all my 12 years at school, my fuse in these matters are extremely short.

There is no excuse whatsoever to act like a [donkey]hole, and especially not to strangers. Also, supporting or just plain tolerating it is no better. Not at all, it just deepens the frustration of the victims. It's not all fun and games when people bully and harrass others, and just because it's over the internet doesn't make it any better. There is still human beings on the recieving end.

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Why is it always seen as a weakness to be nice to other people? Why is it the [donkey]holes who are always seen as the strong ones? And like Stasis said, why is it the people who are nice to others and generally doesn't do anything wrong who has to change their ways?? OMG! IT'S ALL GONE TO TEH AMERICANS! (at least it will if it's always the nice people who has to adapt to the [donkey]holes)

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So, what would you define as bad smacktalk, and what would you define as good smacktalk? Or do you think any form of taunt or insult is offensive?

And go easy on the Americans

The americans has had it too easy for too long.

Anyways, I'll be the first.. ok, maybe not the FIRST, but perhaps the second, to say that there's not one single definition to this.

But some pointers should be; sustained 'abuse' over time directed at a specific player, continued 'abuse' after the target has said "that's enough", personal remarks with no -obvious- roleplay value and comments to a -player's- sexual orientation/intelligence et cetera. As hard as it is to come up with these things out of the blue, it's pretty easy to recognize them when they happen.

Like last night I nipped by Siren's, there were hardly any villains in the zone, and the heroes that were there were gathered on a rooftop, dancing and just mucking about. after a few minutes, another hero came up and said in local something along the lines of "Hey all you people whose buttocks I could whup fairly easily." (comment directed at everyone present with no serious negative content.) but then one of the heroes that had been there a while started talking about this newcomers sexual orientation over broadcast, and how he had nothing in the zone to do because of it, and he kept at it and twisted everything the newcomer said to make it look like he was right. this is in my eyes obvious and intended abuse. after a little while the new guy just excused himself and left, and as I had never seen verbal abuse to this extent I was rather outraged, I asked the 'victim' if the two really knew eachother and was just pulling legs, but he answered me that he had never laid eyes upon this fellow before in his life.
(OK, this isn't the most well-written piece of rant I've ever made, but hopefully it's so close to understandable tha you will, indeed, understand. )

Think of it as if there wasnt a computer involved. The other party was sat right next to you. Still bearing in mind its all competetive, if someone says to you "Oh lawd, god'll kick yo [censored] sumting rotten", thats well in the ways of fun banter. "Im not doing so well because I put my back out humping your momma " is something that you could get away with saying to a friend, or perhaps someone who you've struck a decent vibe with. "You're such a [censored] [censored], suck my [censored] when your daddy [censored] [censored], [censored]! GANK -playername-!", followed by all that guys buddies saying similar stuff, and droning on with more of that stuff whenever you talk.

Im not very good at examples, but its easy to tell the difference between banter, smacktalk, and griefing. Its normally obvious when someone is trying too hard to offend / ruin the game for someone / make someone leave. The difference might seem subtle to some, but I seriously dont think it takes a brainsurgeon to tell the difference. Just think of whether you could get away with saying it to someones face without having your face flattened, and thats a good starting point.

Or like when someone deliberately tries to offend someone, and when they succeed and get any kind of response they just play the "OMG I just playing get ova urself lol whinger!!1" card, or "ur takin urself 2 seerius lol. get life. everee1 see dat?". When rules are in place, its a fact that people will try waaay too hard to worm their way around them and insult you, without actually being under threat of being held responsible for messing with the good PVP vibe. I mentioned that "Im just messing around, whinger!" thing before in another thread, and someone confessed that it was one of their favored tactics. The main thing like I said before, that does my head in, is when someone else gets involved in those bickering events, the newcomer will nearly always choose to side with the moron who started it and is perpetuating it, and tell the player on the recieving end of it all to shut up. It makes about as much sense as the burglar who managed to sue the dude who he was robbing.

Seriously, its like being trapped in a sodding Mr.Magoo cartoon.

Hehe! Yeah there was a LOT of heroes that night most of them were doing hotspots. Thats why i switched and logged on my stalker (Ghostserver) had fun ASing lots of people I love being on the weaker side (normally when one side is outnumbered) its so fun hehe.

I've still not seen anything like this stuff you guys have been describing - maybe I'm just in the zones at the wrong time?
I have broadcast and local on at all times, so as not to miss anything, and even when I'm in a team, I only use the team chat for tactics so the Villians don't know what we're up to, and the worst I've seen so far are the usual "lol! U suck0rz!!!11!!", "U r lam0rz!1111!!", "U r teh gayorz!!11" - just kids stuff.

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I've still not seen anything like this stuff you guys have been describing - maybe I'm just in the zones at the wrong time?
I have broadcast and local on at all times, so as not to miss anything, and even when I'm in a team, I only use the team chat for tactics so the Villians don't know what we're up to, and the worst I've seen so far are the usual "lol! U suck0rz!!!11!!", "U r lam0rz!1111!!", "U r teh gayorz!!11" - just kids stuff.

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Its also possible that I left this well-overdue venting thread too long, and now its just not really a problem any more. I mean, you'll still get it occasionally, but I have to admit, recently it hasnt been too bad at all. Meh, that one guy must have just given me a false alarm, and my timing is already atrocious.

Hell, even had a few arguements in SC tonight and the other guys decided to actually PM me instead of ramble on in broadcast about it with me. I was shocked and near-traumatised at the idea of doing something intelligent. Just the thought of eventually having to follow their example gives me shivers.

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Think of it as if there wasnt a computer involved. The other party was sat right next to you. Still bearing in mind its all competetive, if someone says to you "Oh lawd, god'll kick yo [censored] sumting rotten", thats well in the ways of fun banter. "Im not doing so well because I put my back out humping your momma " is something that you could get away with saying to a friend, or perhaps someone who you've struck a decent vibe with. "You're such a [censored] [censored], suck my [censored] when your daddy [censored] [censored], [censored]! GANK -playername-!", followed by all that guys buddies saying similar stuff, and droning on with more of that stuff whenever you talk.

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Actually thats not the kind of talk I would call fun 'banter'. Especially in internet. In here people are definitely more sensitive.

Im not thinking real life equivalents, I think ill make couple simple binds like "$target, youre under arrest!" next time Ill go to sirens.. I suspect that cannot be misunderstood..

But I noticed that some people got agitated by the combination of losing and banter-binds, so I have stopped doing them, maybe I should start again to lighten the atmosphere there..

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I used that last night when I located the one and only Villian on the map
Having arrested him with extreme force, I then told him to lie still while I got the cuffs out, but he just disappeared to the hospital

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Why the HELL is it nessecary to insult and disrespect people you don't know? Why do people HAVE TO BE [donkey]holes to human beings? I got one answer, and that goes for the people who acts like this, and the people that supports that behaviour and everyone who tolerates it. LACK OF SELFDIGNITY. If you have an ounce of it, you don't HAVE to insult others. If you got a pinkie-sized amount of it you don't need to ground people into the muck of your own brain.

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I would like to think that I have selfdignity. I'm quite proud what I have achieved in my life. I have friends who I treat with respect and I'm basically pretty nice guy but I still find it highly amusing to jump on your dead body just to [censored] you off.

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There is no excuse whatsoever to act like a [donkey]hole, and especially not to strangers. Also, supporting or just plain tolerating it is no better. Not at all, it just deepens the frustration of the victims. It's not all fun and games when people bully and harrass others, and just because it's over the internet doesn't make it any better. There is still human beings on the recieving end.

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But it is different. In real life you may have very limited ways to avoid those bullying people. On the internet other hand... just ignore. And about being a victim. Some are that some make themselves that. Which one are you in here?

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There is no excuse whatsoever to act like a [donkey]hole, and especially not to strangers. Also, supporting or just plain tolerating it is no better. Not at all, it just deepens the frustration of the victims. It's not all fun and games when people bully and harrass others, and just because it's over the internet doesn't make it any better. There is still human beings on the recieving end.

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You seem to forget our sadistic nature. I like making you scream and bang your head on the keyboard because world is such an horrible place. If bullying wasnt "fun" no one would be doing it. Weeelll some people bully out of fear but thats another story.

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Why is it always seen as a weakness to be nice to other people? Why is it the [donkey]holes who are always seen as the strong ones? And like Stasis said, why is it the people who are nice to others and generally doesn't do anything wrong who has to change their ways?? OMG! IT'S ALL GONE TO TEH AMERICANS! (at least it will if it's always the nice people who has to adapt to the [donkey]holes)

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Why why why? Because it is. It's a dog eat dog world out there and if I'm the bigger dog then you will get eaten.

As I said before. Asking "why" and complaining about bad behaviour is useless. It's the way we are. If I can do something I might do it just because I CAN. These posts wont make the "bullys" change their ways. The only way world or any place we are is going to change is through example.

Fight fire with fire? It will only feed the fire. Violence, be that mental or physical, is in our nature. Everyone will have to learn to live with that. You either submit to it or use it. Of course you could try to act like a Mother theresa but if you find plaing living hard playing a saint will be a pain.

If you want to make a difference make it through your example. Be nice, be tolerant but don't expect it to work instantly or at all.

In the mean time... I'll keep jumping on your body and imagining you choking on your glass of milk.

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Violence, be that mental or physical, is in our nature.

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No, No, No, NO.

It really really isn't. If it's in yours, then you're just as bad as the bullies out there - in fact from your posts I'd say you are one.

Not everyone thinks like you, and embracing being violent because it's human nature as opposed to empathy shows what a real [censored] you are.

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No, No, No, NO.

It really really isn't. If it's in yours, then you're just as bad as the bullies out there - in fact from your posts I'd say you are one.

Not everyone thinks like you, and embracing being violent because it's human nature as opposed to empathy shows what a real [censored] you are.

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Can you honestly say that you havent EVER made something petty and selfish just because you could? Maybe pushed your little sister or screamed at your parents. If you answer that "no" let me ask this. Have you ever had to resist the temptation of doing something that could be defined as violent. If you still answer "no" let me be the first one to kneel before your holiness.

Thats what I meant with fighting fire with fire. I hate when people fail to see the bad things in themselves. "Oh I'm holier than thou" and at the same time they fail to see how they are just as bad as the thing they are fighting.

You can think me as bully if you like. I know I'm not. Then again the definitions differ with every person. And what comes to embracing the violence. I dont. I accept it and use it when nececcary. I don't pretend that I'm above violence. By accepting it I don't have to fight it and that gives me freedom to choose how I act without any annoying expectations from own morality or the one that society enforces on me.