Courtesy and PvP


Antibiotical_EU

 

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A little annoyed after being attacked in pvp (The cowardly scrapper attacked me during a PvE encounter with 2 +2s, and assorted others)... i was wondering, what common courtesies do you extend to your enemies.

do you wait until they've finished fighting their current opponent, or do you just barge in on what could be a private duel?

do you leave an obviously unprepared enemy (MM with no pets, someone in rest position, etc.) or take the cheap kill. (Reputation is reputation after all.)

what are the views of regular PvPers and the Casual PvPer whos been attacked while still trying to get his legs.


 

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Waiting is wasting, I take what chance I can get being a stalker and all.

If I am on good terms with victim however, I don't mind chatting before hand and going about an organised fight.
Otherwise I don't get annoyed if I die, I usually congratulate them for getting me if anything.

Other than that, watch your back


 

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For me its all about being a good sport. I'm not as regular a pvper as some on these boards althought I do like to visit it somewhat often.

I wouldn't attack someone fighting in pve if i see them already engaged. Although depending on the situation. Say we were fighting and a mob should stroll by and aggro us, unless he blatenly stops the fight with me I'm not going to hold back. This sorta stuff happens and one debt experience isn't gonna kill ya.

If i see two fighting each other I'll be joining in. Its a PvP zone thats what its there for. Unless its been announced in broadcast that they are having a duel, then I'll just watch

If there's an unprepared person resting or like you mentioned a MM without pets. Yeah I'll engage them, reason being, if you are summoning/resting and dont want to be bothered when doing so, head to your base I try not to run back to my base although it has happened on occations where there weren't any other escape routes. I'm there to pvp and if someone is about to beat me they deserve the kill So if i rest outside the base i fully expect someone to take advantage of my weak situation.

And restrain from foul language and name calling etc. Just have a good time and if it gets to be to much just leave.


 

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It varies (alot depends on whos about). For example, in small squirmishs I would probably relax and be quite forgiving. When theres afew more people about it gets difficult and causes complications. You may not attack your helpless master mind but his team see you and probably wont show you any mercy. Or someone else in passing sees you and takes you out. If you took your opportunity you wouldn't be dead.

I think alot of the more experienced players and PvP's take an anything goes attitude. Its survival of the fittest and no space for morals/courtesy.

Theres not much you can do about kill stealing. It happens, sometimes accidently, more often than not on purpose. I just sometimes wish you could attack your own type. Having stalkers just finish off my prey is annoying (just an example although has happened to me abit) and would love to be able to shoot off afew blasts in his/her direction.


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Depends really, I will help any person who shouts for help,regardless of the numbers.

I will help a person if they are outnumbered...but not if the others are obviously not interfering either (like you often get in duels/power testng).

I wont attack an AFK target or a target that looks like it may be lagged out/having computer issues..In those situations I will send a tell and then hang around till they recover and to warn off others.. (usualy I hang around and get killed but hey )

The main polite thing I do...turn on enable villain chat.


 

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I stand back and wait afk for them to finish the fight knowing of course that they would do the same for me.... NOT

Its PvP, in a game where the levels in any one place could be vastly different WoW for instance I won't gank, nor will I in this game go after someone who is on there last legs, through PvE. But If I see someone with plenty of health being attacked in a PvE battle and I can attack them I will, and if the position was reversed I would expect them to do the same.

If you want to just do PvE stay out of the PvP zones, if you want to PvE in the PvP zones (better XP ) then accept that there is a risk of being ganked! Its not about courtesy its about common sense.


 

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If I see two people fighting I usually leave them alone, unless the opposing side seems overpowered.

If someone is fighting mobs, I use tp foe to tp them next to me and then engage, away from any interference.

I try to avoid using holds near hotspots, as that can easily turn into debt.

I have a few binds for things to say to defeated foes, I consider that common courtesy. It's always disappointing to me if after dieing, the person who got me just runs away.

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If there's an unprepared person resting or like you mentioned a MM without pets. Yeah I'll engage them, reason being, if you are summoning/resting and dont want to be bothered when doing so, head to your base


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Not much point in running to base to resummon pets, as I apparently can be killed there about as easily as anywhere else in the zone (still!).


 

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My favourite tactic is to wait for them to start fighting someone or something else, then swoop in. Or, to ask them a question or wait until they are typing something, then attack.

And yes, I do play a hero, before you ask...


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My tactics vary, depending on if I have a bad history with that PVP'er. My general PVP ethic is that if I am completely outmatched, and I dont feel like my normal suicidal attempted-hold spree, i'll run. If we're relately close in power, i'll stay and fight to the end (even if I have to lose, if they can give me a fight, they deserve the kill). If I notice they're significantly weaker before the fight, i'll avoid them. If I have a group of friends, we never attack people we drastically outnumber unless they attack first. It does lead to paranoid glances at their real level though.

Once a fight has started, the gloves come off. The only mercy I ever show, would be if we end up swamped by lots of minions. Being a controller, I can normally hold them off whilst fighting the villain. I get guilt trips though, there is nothing worse than holding someone, and then having to race against a nearby comp-controlled enemy to get the kill.

We (me and my SG mates) never attack someone engaged in PVE, if we're in a hotspot, we make a point of not attacking them unless they attack first. Being a controller gives me that option, once a player comes at us, I normally have something I can use to escape with if needed. Otherwise I might throw a force bolt at 'em just to be annoying

Its hard to really set any concrete rules. Some people really deserve to be handled rough, but generally most people are at least a little careful. I avoid giving them debt, and try to engage them with at least a half-[censored] amount of honor


 

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Kill em' all.


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People having (or trying to have) 1on1 [honor] duels in a Free For All area has always brought forth a demonic cackle . The Arena is what that sort is for .


 

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i try to respec all 1\1 fights (actually i enjoy stand back and watch the fight) .i only help if another hero joins the 1\1 fight , then i go for this new guy .

usually i try to kill only once or twice the same person on the pvp zone , unless theyre the bounty then i try kill again .

in 1\1 fights i stay and fight untill one of us die . if more join the fight to gank me i usually run .

i try not to KS and if by mistake i do i apolegise .i really dont like other vilains to jump in my 1\1 fights and kill my fun .

i try fight for the fun ( even knowing that a stalker in SC aint much fun 2\3 hits kill most targets , much harder in warburg ) .

theres no point in KS for reputation , it caps at 400 and i had mine reset to 0 more then once .

theres nothing you can buy with it , and as for "brag rights" its better the enemies fear youre play then youre "reputation points" .

it just a game , so i try to help making it fun for all (unless they call me names "you *******" come to mind , then i act like one ).


 

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It depends on the situation. If I can see people are being a good sport then I will let them rest, revive, set up pets or whatever and ask if they are ready. If people are ganking or are running all the time I would just kill them when ever I get the chance. On hotspots I kill them if they are doing pve because thats what hotspots are about. I will attack stalkers on sight because you cant have a fair fight with a stalker.


 

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People having (or trying to have) 1on1 [honor] duels in a Free For All area has always brought forth a demonic cackle . The Arena is what that sort is for .

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Yeah but they can be so much fun. Like a playground fight, you gather around them and watch. I know the zone is a PvP but I do respec duels and will not interrupt (unless the hero is dishonourable and legs it). You can't beat a good duel. Interupting one or running away from one will be met with a good ole hunt.


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People having (or trying to have) 1on1 [honor] duels in a Free For All area has always brought forth a demonic cackle . The Arena is what that sort is for .

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Some of the best fights i've had have been one on ones in Sirens. Last night for example i fought Arch ViDDen one on one twice in a row on my Regen Be-el, he was playing an invinc Brute. The first time i beat him after a drawn out battle, the second time he beat me after a similarly drawn out battle. One minute he was nearly dead the next my health dropped like a stone

Tbh i find the thinking of some like yourself that PvP zones are not the place for 1 on 1's a bit off tbh. Both in the arena and the zones 1 on 1 is possible as is team battles, this doesnt make either the exclusive place for them to happen. Of course if your having one on ones on a rooftop your bound to get the odd person come along and attack you while this is going on, but this is usually for a good reason, ie they didnt see the broadcast you put out asking both sides not to attack both who are dueling, or they dont have villain chat enabled etc. If they continue to attack while i'm dueling and have been asked by both sides i'll usually stop the fight then turn on them then once they are face down get back to the duel

Another of the best times i've had in Sirens was when -obot organised 1 on 1's on one of the domes near the villain base. It's not often you get to test your build properly against different AT's at once in the zones and i found that night very informative about how my brute handled. I could kill regens, but i couldnt kill DM/SR's i also rather shamefully got flattened by POSS on his blaster... Damn those toggle droppers

This is just my view on one on ones, and i fully appreciate that others may feel its not right for this to happen. We're all entitled to have our opinions


 

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I kill everyting I can get my hands on. Simple as that. In all the PvP zones there is a reason to kill on sight. If they are doing missions I feel it is my duty to stop them. If they are going for the hotspots in sirens its my duty to stop them. If they are going for the missiles in Warburg it is my duty to stop them. And so on.


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I do kill pretty much all I come across that said I will do all I can to ensure I do not cause the player debt, I have `saved` many players from debt by ASing them before the NPCs kill them. That said accidents do and will continue to happen.

You lose nothing by dying, but my personal bugbear is getting killed on AFK while i try to explain the zone to new visitors


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I kill everyting I can get my hands on. Simple as that. In all the PvP zones there is a reason to kill on sight. If they are doing missions I feel it is my duty to stop them. If they are going for the hotspots in sirens its my duty to stop them. If they are going for the missiles in Warburg it is my duty to stop them. And so on.

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Wot they said ...unless of course we are having the odd gatherings where we just sit and chill out and chat and stuff like that... *waves at Flicknife and her pigtails*


 

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I dont attack AFK players, in fact sometimes, if we get continuous attacks from the same people, i pretend to go AFK to test if someone is a plonker or not. Other than that i'd do anything as long as it doesnt cost the other person debt, attacking them when they are engaged with other mobs can be too tempting sometimes though :c|
Once someone fights "dirty" though I say chuck any morals and do whatever you can to win >


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Ello TG

Its XMAS! And I am gonna steal all the prezzies
Boo hoo say the heroes, we have no prezzies! Maybe I let them play with the boxes

Yeah is often fun to watch one on ones and cheer folks along. But then again if your 1 v 1 gets interrupted, well thats a pvp zone for you


 

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Going AFK in the PVP zones is just asking for trouble. Leaving an AFK'er alive only means that someone else will pick them off and get the reputation you could have grabbed. I've seen people go AFK in the PVP zones for about an hour at a time, they're long-dead but just dont time-out. That gets irritating because if they are your target, you cant change it.


 

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Pretty much sums it up. Would they give you the same courtesy? Would they be worried that they might get you debt? Probably not. I have been tp foed the second the timer ran out when entering. I have been ganked by a stalker and sent to a hospital that was camped by several villains. I have been repeatedly sniped by a hero who was hiding in the villains hospital.

No quarter given, no quarter asked. Kill 'em all, let god sort it out.


 

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I have started noticing recently that courtesy and manners seem to be going out of the window in Sirens. I dont know if its beacause the zones are becoming more popular that more idiots are finding their way there or what.
For example yesterday while talking to a friend while i was on a hero we decided to fight. We'd fought for maybe a minute when a team of 2 came over and decided they were going to hammer the villain. I politely asked them to stop and was told erm...no. I've always respected 1 on 1 fights when i see them, 1 because i would feel dirty for stealing the bounty/rep and 2 because it's their fight, for all i know one might have chased the other all round the zone to get the fight then someone else swoops down and attacks. Maybe i'm too sporting i dont know. This kind of thing seems to be happening more and more.

More importantly is the amount of abuse and bad language i'm seeing. I'll give another example. Flying around Sirens i noticed an MM on a rooftop with a dead hero at his feet. So of course i went straight in and attacked (although i then found out that the villain was in PFF ) only to be abused and swore at. Apparently they were dueling, to which i replied erm no ur standing up there and he's dead, then was told they were talking. I wouldn't mind if it werent for the bad language and abuse i was getting right from the start because of it. I was rather amused at being called a n00b however as i've been playing almost since CoH came out in the EU, but apparently as the MM has been playing in the US since before that I class as a n00b This person is now the one and only person i have on /ignore.

I'm not saying that i'm an angel and never swear etc, i do, but very rarely in company and never in game over broadcast. Swearing has its place, which is not on the broadcast channel for all and sundry to read. Abuse however has no place anywhere.


 

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Why don't people go to the arena if they want a private battle?