Behave exactly as you would in the PVE zones, this is all ment to be one game not two stuck together.
And be prepered for someone to whine about something you do no matter what. (I got whined at for not fighting back 
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Rules I go by in game:
1: If someone offends/insults me I assume its an IC (in character) insult aimed at my character first.
2: If I think someone is offended by something my char does I try to let them know that it is my character attacking their character not me attacking them.
3: Be polite,offer pointers to people on how they can improve, congratulate them on a good kill/escape/use of power...If you go by the comics Hero-Villain banter is rarely "You suck Noob!! pwned!!".
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Too true.
Now if you play in PvP, put in a decent showing, fight well and do it reasonably courteously. Not ganking [attacking with an absurd numbers advantage] and not just hunting one person down continually. Then you will make some freinds.
However, don't expect anyone else to behave like that. While some players will there are plenty who will try to kill you by any means available.
The only really noted etiquette of the PVP zones right now, is to never deliberately cause someone else debt. Though given a lot of people dont really seem to care how they play, there is a little bit of a divide.
There are the annoying ganker-style players, and the more sportsmanlike players. I can only tell you how I personally play, but provided you're at least a good sport about attacking/being KO'ed, nobody should really have a problem with you.
First off, I think its an 'unfair' tactic to watch over the enemy safe-zone, waiting to teleport the nearest easy meal outside and destroy them. Safe zones are there for a reason, I know every dirty trick in the book applies here, but teleporting them out of the safe zone should only be used if they keep cowering inside of there without reason. Sometimes the reason for people going back to the safe zone, is simply because you outnumber them 4-1. Back off from their safe zone for a few moments and see what happens. Give them some breathing space, otherwise no -real- PVP will happen.
Generally, i've heard people say "its frowned upon" to teleport enemies into your safe zones drones. Now that there isnt any debt for that, people dont really have a reason to gripe, its all part of the game, ESPECIALLY if you're making it nigh-on impossible to get out of the base. If you're close enough to their safe zone to be pulled in, you need to rethink your tactics. Similarly, if you ever get teleported by an enemy in an annoying manner, you'd do well to remember that every cunning/dirty trick does actually apply here. Even if you get debt as a result, if it was unintentional, its not worth kicking up a fuss over. Broadcast chat might be a good way to tease your opponents to get them riled up, so they make mistakes, but you have to remember that the games rules still apply. If you spend time insulting a player directly, eventually you're going to cross the line, then get petitioned.
I hate to sound blunt here, but if you get KO'ed, suck it up. You're there to die as much as you're there to kill. Yes, the stalkers do fight in a rather cheap manner, but you have to remember its all they have. Yes, sometimes you will encounter opponents that you dont really stand a chance of defeating, but that often boils down to your characters build. If you're like me, and find making pure PVP builds to be boring, you'll find that happens a lot 
*shrugs*
The only real times there should be need to kick up a fuss, is if people are seriously ruining it for others, like by watching over the opposing teams hospital and teleporting ressurectees straight back to death again, or if people are deliberately attempting to cause others debt, like by teleporting you into crowds of NPC's and chainholding you.
I guess the only real rule of thumb is to use your head. The PVP zone exists so you can use everything you have to win, but a little consideration does prevent all kinds of grief and earache. Play rough, be brutal, but dont be an [censored]
Tough as the zone can be, people generally go there to have a laugh, the same as you.
Oh, and if someone broadcasts that they'll be doing a 1vs1 battle with someone, personal duel style, even though you're entitled to jump in and take the kill, its just bad manners.
Above all, I think the "But i r a villun, i evul it wot i do" excuse is the most tired, lame excuse for being a git on the battlefield. If you're going to be a poor sportsman, at least have the consideration to NOT broadcast excuses to us. We understand the PVP zone is nasty, and not everyone obides by the same personal PVP ethics, but sometimes, you really do earn the earache you get over the broadcast channel.
Pretty much as above, attitude is the most important thing anyone can bring to the zones and please hero/villains turn on the hero/villain chat option in options it means we can all hear and speak to each other. My main PVP is a stalker, the most evil of evil and i speak to all and if I have chopped someone down a few times I (try) to speak to them to make sure they are not getting p***ed off, I have fun there and hope other people are as well.
I personally think TPing people into drones is weak, same with TPing people out (yeah it was fun in the beginning 
) I like having heroes/villains at my base as they are closer to kill and running out of the hospital back into combat is better than running down the other end of the zone. Its also a good place to mass your army and lange a huge offensive against the campers and boot them back to their own base
I like friendly funny banter across broadcast but dont feel insults or derogatory remarks are called for at all.
This is just what I like but technically there are no rules, sadly people will always be an [censored] in all walks of life.
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I think this should be the first thing you do, before entering the PvP zone. 
If you can exchange a few words with the 'enemy' I think it makes it more personal, and less likely for either party to take it to serious. Unless you shout abue at them.
But as QiSnake and Stalk_obot said, go in with a fun attitude and just enjoy it.
Yeah, the hero/villain chat is a must to turn on, and if possible, try to be a little sporting about your play style in these zones. Constant ganking of a single person is bound to [censored] them off in the long run, so perhaps seek out a new challenge every now and again. Plus after a good fight which has been enjoyable, a little 'chat' with the opposition never goes amiss, as you can learn from them what has been effective.
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damn, is that why I don't get invited to teams anymore? . As for rules I'd say pretty much anythign goes, don't worry about killing people if they pvming, thats the point of the zone after all (eg shiva strike); don't worry about jumping in on a fight. The only thing I don't think anyone should do is trash talk, a bit of the old rp is alright and it's nice that you can trash talk people but whats worse than a bad loser, a bad winner :P.
There was a FF master mind in his personal shield me and my friend were trying to kill and we just couldn't hit him. Then he emoted *tickles* I thought that was kinda funny, when he coulda givent he old "ROFL LOLZ CAN'T HIT ME" or soemhting instead :P
Now, pretty much all the replies here show a good attitude towards PvP, and are the kind of people I'd enjoy getting into a scrap with. Just a bit of fun. It's the relatively smaller minority of players who use the other tactics I have the problem with. Unfortunately, these kinds of players are going to ruin the fun aspect of PvP for everyone else unless the devs address the issues.
As far as I'm concerned, the following really need doing.
1) Impossible to target anyone in a safe zone
2) Impossible to damage anyone in a safe zone, even with AoE's.
This will stop people being teleported from safe zones like bases or hospitals, and it will stop toons that get past the defenses, such as stalkers, from being able to attack anyone...
I've had a little fun in the PvP zones, and on Saturday I actually bumped into someone I RP with at GG. He stood there looking at me for a moment, then suddenly my toon went for him! This was even actually IC as well as my toon had just had something happen to her that made her a little... unpredicatable... just then! 
We had some nice OOC tells during the fight too, it was all kept fun and neither actually won as we kept legging it at low health... To me that was far more fun than planting him We also broke from the fight if we strayed too close to PvE mobs, all without agreeing to! Just the sort of PvP fun I like... The little bugger also nearly nicked my scientist at one point whilst I was resting!!
To prove her unpredicability, she later completed the mission and nuked the villain base (it was empty, and I made sure of that first!). And I must way... that was the first 0.5 microgram nuclear explosion I've witnessed! Could we have some megatonnage please?
This is the kind of PvP action that does nothing but add to the game as it was great fun! The other kind (glares are certain people), just <bleeps> people off and stops them bothering...
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
If your a hero: kill any villain on sight. Those evil villains are debuffing our damage and defences and making it harder for us to fight, we need an edge.
If your a villain: Kill any hero on sight. Those bloody heroes are debuffing our damage and defences and making it harder for us to fight, we need to be able to splat em faster.
In Warburg, All the others are trying to get those nasty missiles you gotta stop em, they might use em on you.
Other than that be polite just like in PvE.
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If your a hero: kill any villain on sight. Those evil villains are debuffing our damage and defences and making it harder for us to fight, we need an edge.
If your a villain: Kill any hero on sight. Those bloody heroes are debuffing our damage and defences and making it harder for us to fight, we need to be able to splat em faster.
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Dont get damage debuffs in Sirens *edit* hmm it seems you do, I am sure it didnt used to ahve this function
One other tactic that I would say is frowned upon is to chase a hero into his hospital and AS him, this really is most unsporting and I only do it to my friends
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Let's see, my PvP so far...
Some illusion controller sat in Superior Invisibility spammed Blinds at me. I couldn't attack him, so I popped a BF and ran on to the next Tour waypoint. Very heroic.
A Stalker got onto the boat in Warburg and picked me to target. He 1-shotted me. I had no chance. Fair enough, and it did point out to me that the safe zones are a load of ball...derdash.
Someone, maybe a Stalker, tried to take me out outside a mission door. Either I saw him first, or he missed. When I actually hit him, he bolted like a scared bunn and I never saw him again. Boring.
A brute tried to hit four of us as we were entering a mission. He'd been near the manhole cover when we arrived, and ran, but decided to come back and make a try when we'd clicked on the door, hence no chance we could return fire. Apparently he had no chance of doing any damage either, I was the only one noticed and he didn't hit anyone. So, cowardly and pointless.
No, there are no rules or ettiquette to PvP. And I'd humbly submit that FFM is wrong about the posts here being the majority of players. Very few people in PvP fight strangers fairly. Quite frankly, if you want to fight fair, go to the Arena. If someone attacks one of mine in a PvP zone, I'll use every dirty trick I know to survive. (Shame I don't know any dirty tricks. 
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Quite frankly, if you want to fight fair, go to the Arena. If someone attacks one of mine in a PvP zone, I'll use every dirty trick I know to survive. (Shame I don't know any dirty tricks. )
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No, there are no rules or ettiquette to PvP. And I'd humbly submit that FFM is wrong about the posts here being the majority of players. Very few people in PvP fight strangers fairly. Quite frankly, if you want to fight fair, go to the Arena. If someone attacks one of mine in a PvP zone, I'll use every dirty trick I know to survive. (Shame I don't know any dirty tricks. )
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To be fair, I *DID* say the posts in the thread so far (up to my post), and not the majority of actuall players! I'm well aware the PvP zones are full of [censored] that will do anything for a cheap kill, I was just commenting that the people who'd posted so far were more the type of people I'd like to PvP against, just interested in the fun and not the reputation.
And does that mean that if Ellie bumps into Crow in Warburg, he'd be all mean and nasty to her? She might just like that you know... Depends on what colour she is at the time!
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Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Well, currently Crow is an OOC levelling toon, so he wouldn't have a go at Ellie unless Ellie had a go at him. IC, she'd have to be threatening children with horrible death again. Crow made it plain on a number of occaisions that he had no issue with killing (and I do mean killing) other heroes if there was no other way to stop them doing something wrong. Otherwise, any hero is a useful asset not to be touched (hell, he let Nevermore live, despite everything ).
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Okay, my pvp experience so far from the games I have played that had pvp content (Diablo II, DaoC T4C, NwN, CoH/CoV), there is no such thing as PvP etiquette. I hate to say it, but so far, all I have incountered, in all these games, are pratts that go out with either a character that is many levels higher then many and slaughter everything that is lower leveled in their path. They revel in it, brag about it and rub it in their victim's faces as though the only purpose they have in life, is to destroy the game fun of others.
Now, DoaC (Dark age of Camelot) and CoH are slightly different, you can actually avoid PvP. In DoaC there are specific raids that are set up in special zones, where you can 'invade' a different country. In CoH you have the arenas and the 'PvP'-zones (In all honesty, I think CoH's devs have looked very closely at the DoaC design, it's very similar in many ways.).
The reason I prefer this, is simply because, and I make no show of hiding it, I strongly dislike PvP. This is due to years of bad experiences, not simply one or two incidents in CoH/CoV.
In Diablo you could set the level cap if you opened your own game instead of joining another, that wasn't too bad either.
However, NwN and T4C really set my mind in the fact that there is no etiquette what so ever. In most cases, PvP comes down PK-ing people. (Player Killing)
There is no rule of honour, there are no rules of consideration, it is simply; If it moves, kill it, if it's lower level then you, even better as it won't try and resist.
Then the comments would follow: Lolz i pwned u, you stoopid n00b, ZOMG, i killed u again, you n00b. (In T4C this was done in French, which doesn't make it more romantic, I assure you.) Other comments of the more intelligable nature (sorry, I am too old for leet, I do not understand it and have trouble using most of it when typing.) include: You weak little gimp, why did I kill you? Because you exist.
Nice, really, very nice. Hear that enough on a daily basis and a game rapidly becomes less and less fun. (Whether it is intended for you or someone else, IMHO.)
I could go on for hours about this kind of behavour and examples, but I fear my post has already gone into rant mode and I don't want to make it worse.
Yes, despite my experiences and seeing those of others happen before my eyes, I still think that PvP could potentially be fun, but under rules, and that is what you can use the Arena for, there are rules in place. Warburg, siren's call and Bloody Bay, despite the auto-exemp, are places where those that have no honour and are true-blooded pk-ers will soon prevail.
If thats what you think stay out of the zones as I have siad if you get killed by some one who is constanly after you the worse thing to do is moan about it. I think these PKers will have a hard job plying there trade in CoH and CoV due to the fact that there gonna be exmplared. I have been running around with my stalker in Bloody Bay hes only lv 15 at the mo but he can take down higher lv people than him self.
I also think that a lot of the players in this game PvP for fun like my self and these PKers will be meat as soon as they enter a zone like Warburg or even Bloody Bay as word will get around. Also there is a differnce to trash talk and going out of your way to make some one life a missery. Im sorry you have had such bad times in PvP but Im having fun with it and I hope others do as well.
Not really what I meant, and I do stay out of the zones, because I know it annoys me to have the stress of people out there trying to kill whatever is moving about. Besides which, my pc lags too much for me to make it feasable. I will admit the exp is nice, and we have found a way for me to actually mission there from time to time, but in general, I avoid them.
I was simply giving my opinion on the question of the OP, though I will not deny that my reply may have been somewhat acid due to my experiences. However, even then, I do admit I can understand PvP could be a fun concept.
Dont let the Pkers ruin your day thats my motto.
There should perhaps be some form of PvP etiquette or constructive rules of engagement. Not everyone is up on what to do or not to do which is fair enough.
Like everything in a game thise size not everyone is gonna enjoy it but I really dont think the bitchin sessions that ensure help anyone let a lone that game in the long run. Not everyone enjoys PvP, the arenas or RP'ing for that matter but we all pay our dues......
Its kinda harsh but the long and the short of it is still if you go into any PvP zone you are consenting whether you like it or not. A lot of PvP'ers will leave you in peace if you are badge hunting and say so in a polite manner not a total 'i'm tellin on you if you do...' as thats more likely to get their backs up.
And yeah there are idiots there but I doubt there are any long term players here who can truthfully say they have never came across a muppet in a team? I sure have. Its just now they can kill you rather then just get on your nerves like in PvE.
For teh most part to the OP i'd try to go in with a team, that way ypu can learn as you go, I'm sure some of the long term PvP'ers would be more than glad to help you out and if you find storm/stalkers (whichever side your one i dont know) then ask said stalker, stormy or whatever what makes them work so well agains they will tell you, their happy talking about themselves
Anyhoo good luck in PvP,
No matter whether your pro PvP or not live and let live eh?
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Actually if they work really well (because its about the person operating the build and not the build it self) they are prolly dedicated PvPers and the reason they will sit down and explain you is because they honestly wanna show you something. And you know they not talk about themselves they talk about the ones they kill usually.
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Like everything in a game thise size not everyone is gonna enjoy it but I really dont think the bitchin sessions that ensure help anyone let a lone that game in the long run. Not everyone enjoys PvP, the arenas or RP'ing for that matter but we all pay our dues......
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Actually if they work really well (because its about the person operating the build and not the build it self) they are prolly dedicated PvPers and the reason they will sit down and explain you is because they honestly wanna show you something. And you know they not talk about themselves they talk about the ones they kill usually.
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I think they have everyright to be proud - if you ahve a good build and are good at what you do then flaunt it baby..
Yeah ok there may be some a lil vain regards their toon and a lil over confident of their knowledge ~(i noticed that on another thred there, not you btw, i never recognised the name but anyhoo) but on the whole i find the regular PvP'ers are a great bunch (tho i'm still sulking about Hack AS'in me) they just get a bad press at times.
Simple rules for etiquette as lil ole me sees it..( i shudda added thisto teh other thread but i'm on that topic here so..)
1) If you dont know - ask, dont be afraid, you wont get shouted at or at least you shouldnt
2) If you get owned each time ask said killer how they do it, as i said before their more than happy to help, prolly after a lil banter but thats ok
3) Dont be rude about it - if you kill someone well done dont be nasty about it, if you want left alone ask or send a tell ppl will usually co=operate, i fail to see why ppl feel the need to be rude about it.
4) If you get ganked/hassled/whatever petition the person(s) and get screenie etc if you can dont drag it onto here, by all means ask or send pms but its getting a lil tiresome tbh. I get its annoying and all that but it desends into flames here, just get 'em back when you can.
5) Make the most of every outing - if you get squished learn from it and learn to combat it - no one is immortal (well i am IRL but thats besides the point ;p ) or undefeatable
6)Canny think of much else tho i prolly will when i sign off - but have fun tis a game, there is enought hate in teh world - Go kill something else and be happy
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For teh most part to the OP i'd try to go in with a team, that way ypu can learn as you go, I'm sure some of the long term PvP'ers would be more than glad to help you out and if you find storm/stalkers (whichever side your one i dont know) then ask said stalker, stormy or whatever what makes them work so well agains they will tell you, their happy talking about themselves
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Im moderately pleased with the way my stalker is shaping up, the fact that people seem to take great delights in putting him down is kind of flattering (litterally ) Will talk to anyone about it and its deficiencies
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All nice and dandy saying people should stop whining and the like, and in a way, I agree, however, I would like to point out the following. I have yet to meet a roleplayer who actively goes out to harass other players, makes them feel inferior and cusses them to kingdom come.
PvP -does- have a fair number of rotten apples who -do- actively go out to make people's lives a living hell in game.
Nuff said, really.
Although I've been playing this game a long time, I'm a complete noob when it comes to PvP. I recently took a trip to Bloody Bay and Sirens Call and I enjoyed the experience quite a bit. However, I wasn't entirely sure how to behave in these zones, and at times it felt a little uncomfortable as a result. The last thing I want to do is spoil the experience for other players.
There are many unwritten rules in a PvE environment that people adhere to, simply because it is courteous to other players. For example, you don't steal other peoples kills, or jump up and down on a team members dead body. My question then is for the more experienced PvP players. Are there any particular hard and fast rules that all players should respect when in a PvP area?