When I first started branching out into teams with people I didn't know, I would never leave. Now I am more selfish and more interested in MY fun. I will quit given certain circumstances. And *how* I leave depends on those circumstances.
Generally, level 54 slammers AGAIN, a team that just isn't gel'ing, someone on the team who is annoying the life out of me will get a "going shopping/getting food/bed, cya" in between missions. Ok I lied the slammers might be at the middle of a mission.
However, if it's a truly horrible experience (trying to do a speed run with completely the wrong team make up for example or several of the above factors), I'm not as nice about it and "I'm done" *quit* is it. That is rude. But so is a five message dissertation on the failings of the team, the team leader and my team mates. I'm pretty dry-humoured, I don't deliberately offend but I am direct and this medium is pretty dire for seeing 'tone'. So for me it's a way to wind up on LESS global ignores. 
I do tend to give TF's more leeway. But .. I have quit them. Not a team "this isn't working let's call it" but a "I'm done" *quit*. Takes quite a bit for that though. Usually to the stage where I know my irritation is going to mean I won't be pulling my weight even if I do stay.
If the team has a chance and is working (EG LGTF finishing with 5 including fighting Hami and Honoree like that) then I will stay. But no longer will I hang around in an eight man debt-fest with seven people who would rather solo. Or have two afk leechers. (You joined a TF knowing you'd have to take the dog to the vet/the baby to the doctors etc.)
For me it is not about xp gain but fun and teamwork. If I'm playing a blaster and the tank looks at me under attack and then superspeeds off, that is much more rude - in my eyes - than my quitting. (That actually happened.) In fact being under attack with any mob and my teammates not helping is probably one of the quickest ways to get me to quit any team. I just find it incredibly RUDE and I can't express in this medium exactly how much it offends me. I might be on a squishy but if another player - of any AT - is in trouble, I'll give them every insp I have and try and take some aggro for them. (Assuming they're not one of the solo'ers who team only to cause wipes ....)
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Not only do I say goodbye when I leave a team, I tend to say "this will be my last mission" during our instanced mission.
However, it doesn't bother me when others leave without warning unless it's a tough TF/SF.
I do that as well. It's a bit of me planning out loud, but it also lets the team lead start looking for someone else if they're that kind of lead who searches and plays.
I do that by my own choice, but I don't really hold it against someone who leaves without a word.
The people that bother me are the ones that feel a need to make some kind of pissy comment on their way out the door. That's the kind of behavior I consider rude.
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I'll occasionally accept a blind invite and run a few missions with them. In those (rare) cases I do not tell them I am leaving the team when I quit.
They didn't tell me they were inviting me, why should I tell them I'm quitting?
If a team seems to be comprised of more or less decent people I will inform them before I leave, usually with forewarning if I know I will have to leave soon.
Usually it's along the lines of "Sorry guys, gotta bail, RL stuff came up" [Claws and Effect has quit the team]
If I have a pre-set appointment or scheduled something-or-other I'll tell the team about it in advance.
Things that will cause me to instantly quit with no warning or explanation:
- Being invited to a team and having a TF started that I did not want to run, and was not told about during initial invitation.
- Seeing another player kicked unceremoniously from the team for having the "wrong" powerset. Doubly so if the player in question never got to run a mission with the team before they were kicked.
- Verbal abuse to myself or anyone else on the team. Rudeness directed at me will get rudeness right back, and then I will leave. Rudeness directed at someone else will cause me to quit the team and find players who aren't jerks.
- Being told I'm playing/have built/dressed my character wrong. In fairness, I can deal with this one if the person is otherwise a decent teammate. If they get to the point of telling me what I can and can't do because I "built my toon wrong" I'll tell them they obviously don't need my gimped toon on the team and leave.
- Griefing in any form. If a scrapper or blaster* teammate is deliberately over-agroing to cause teamwipes I will bail as soon as it becomes apparent they are doing it intentionally. I'm a little more patient if they seem to just be a noob or an idiot. If I have the star these players will get kicked with no warning or consultation with other teammates.
My guidelines are pretty simple and (I think) reasonable. Treat me decently and I will respond in kind. Be rude and I'll either be rude right back or just disappear.
(*This can apply to any AT, it just seems to happen more commonly with scrappers and blasters)
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Not only do I say goodbye when I leave a team, I tend to say "this will be my last mission" during our instanced mission.
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This is such a trivial thing to do. I've got my 36 month vet badge now. In those 36 months, upon saying "this is my last mission" or even an abrupt "gotta go", I have never ever been asked "why?"
Giving warning lets the leader plan better - they can line someone up for when you leave. Conversley, to say nothing at all causes a brief period of confusion about whether you intended to quit or to wait for you. It's even exhibiting sociopathic traits to say "I'm not having fun, so I'm going to quit without taking 3 seconds to clarify my intentions, because I don't care about the consequences of my actions on you, I'm just here to have my fun."
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How would you like it (Smurphy, or any of the other "I'll just leave" folks) if you're playing a board game -- Risk, Monopoly, whatever -- and as soon as it becomes clear who's likely to win, one of the players walks away without a word (whether they're being a smug winner or a sore loser)?
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I'd feel the same way I would if I was playing chess and my opponent just quietly laid down his king and walked away.
They are simply admitting the game is over.
Regardless, your analogy is badly false.
If you walk away from a board game, the game is over.
If you leave my team, my game is not over, I can handle it with or without you and you can be replaced if I feel like it. The only thing that is over is our teaming experience. You're free to end that at any time.
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... It's even exhibiting sociopathic traits to say "I'm not having fun, so I'm going to quit without taking 3 seconds to clarify my intentions, because I don't care about the consequences of my actions on you, I'm just here to have my fun."
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Wow...just wow.
I have been called a lot of things, but never compared to a sociopath. Very interesting outlook you have on life.
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I suggest you look up the definition of what "sociopath" means. It is not tantamount to saying "serial killer" or "Tony Soprano". These are examples of sociopaths, but not the definitions.
This certainly has nothing to do with my "outlook on life". Unless that "outlook on life" is that basic courtesy should be extended to other people. If you consider that "interesting" then that says something about you.
I don't really have much of a problem with people leaving teams. It can be mildly irritating having to find new members, but that is my gripe on the circumstance, not on the pervious player.
The thing that truly bothers me is when I have a few teammates that lag behind the group and don't help whatsoever...The ones who, when you look at the minimap, are the lone triangle in the hallway that was cleared about 3 minutse ago. Those guys get on my nerves, especially when I'm not the team leader.
Research has shown that the core, or the majority of most mmo's is made up of working people, professionals, parents, and other people with plenty of responsibility. They may well just want to get on, de-stress with a couple of missions, then get back to making dinner for the kids or something. It is very common, and I do it myself because I am a professional with a family. It is the way mmo's work much of the time. The only time it really is bad behavior is if it is a TF team. If you get on a TF team, which cannot be added to, you should stay until the end. I cannot abide jerks who join a TF and leave after two missions.
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If you get on a TF team, which cannot be added to, you should stay until the end. I cannot abide jerks who join a TF and leave after two missions
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City of Heroes is a game. The purpose of a game is to have fun. If you are not having fun change what you are doing.
City of Heroes is about you. Be greedy. Think about yourself first. There is absolutely no one in the world, not the developers, not your best friend, not your siblings and not even your mom, who knows when you are having fun as much as you do. You are best suited to the task of making sure you have fun. You. You you you you you.
I feel absolutely no guilt nor shame when I leave a team with no warning. I honestly feel no anger, hostility nor resentment when someone leaves one of my teams without warning. Please leave my team if you are not having fun. I'm fairly disgusted when others feel otherwise.
I understand no one is perfect and you can't know everything before hand. I understand things will change. But do your best to communicate what you expect from teammates and what you intend to bring to teams. Eliminate as much "un-fun-itude" as possible before it occurs. Stop "un-fun-itude" as soon as possible.
(I should add that when I'm on a Task Force and not having fun I'll ask to leave. If I'm requested to stay because I am considered crucial to the team's success I will stay. Though, if I no longer am crucial I will leave. I have left TFs before they're fully complete after all the "hard parts" were defeated.)
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The core issue that is being sidestepped is merely one of common courtesy. I don't care if you wanna leave halfway through a mission...just say so...that way, the team isnt held up deciding whether to wait for you to come back (maybe he dc'd) or to fill your spot.
TF's tho, I have a different take on, but again, it's a matter of courtesy. If you don't plan of finishing the TF, don't join. Simple. Yes, RL can interfere with TF's....simply say that you are leaving due to circumstances. That's all.
The attitude that other people don't matter if they interfere with your happiness and enjoyment of the game....not gonna psychoanalyze, but it's just plain rude.
Goodbye, City of Heroes...I'll miss you.
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But if the team is poor and you know it's not good enough to finish the TF, why stick around and waste time?
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My answer is...because I still get to pew pew pew. I don't mind failing a TF here and there if I still can have fun blasting, defending, etc etc. Sometimes the gimper the team, the more fun I have being a pivtol member, and it then becomes a challenge to succed which is even more fun!
Plus, I get all sorts of great stories about players, missions, etc.
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The great thing about text is that you can pretend to be polite even when you are really rolling your eyes and muttering disparaging things about people. Pretending to be polite doesn't hurt anyone, and only takes a moment.
"Sorry, gotta go" takes less than a second to type, usually. It works even when you don't mean it. You don't have to explain anything, and you certainly don't OWE anyone an explanation.
I honestly can't think of a time I've blind quit a team, even when it's been a horrible one.
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My answer is...because I still get to pew pew pew. I don't mind failing a TF here and there if I still can have fun blasting, defending, etc etc. Sometimes the gimper the team, the more fun I have being a pivtol member, and it then becomes a challenge to succed which is even more fun!
Plus, I get all sorts of great stories about players, missions, etc.
[/ QUOTE ] Earlier I said I'll drop if the team doesn't help me accomplish my goals, and I meant it. But when it comes to a Task Force I usually have two goals. One is the reward(merits, badge, xp, whatever), two is fun. If I don't think goal one is going to be met it is often because it is a poor team, which ruins goal two. At that point, I see no reason to stick around. That being said...
The other day I did an ITF and it was going poorly in the first mission. Half the team quit leaving it just Me(MunkiLord my DM/SR scrapper), my roommate(DB/Inv scrapper), a level 46 MM that didn't want a mentor, and a dominator. Now it had already been a struggle up to that point, but despite that I was still having fun and decided to stick it out not thinking we could possibly finish it.
We got through the first mission, then me and the other scrapper finished the second mission quickly. The third mission is where it got really fun. With only four of us left and the MM and dom dying all the time(nothing against them, my roommate and I both invested a ton of influence in IOs), we started taking on the huge mobs of EBs and it was a fun challenge. Eventually I ran off by myself and soloed Requiem and Romulus(though not at the same time and I used inspirations).
The final mission we had my roommates second account make runs to WW for large inspirations and we eventually took down Nictus Rommie. It was a ton of fun. All in all it took almost two hours, but I'm glad I stuck it through.
This took place after I made my turd post earlier in the thread.
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I just was wondering, does anyone else get irritated when u finally get into a team, u do 1 or 2 missions, and then u have the "Incredible Shrinking Team" happen? What I mean is u do a couple of mishes with a really good/well-balanced group, and then the people whose mishes u did just leave, without saying anything, yer team just shrinks. To me that is kinda disrespectful and irritating. I am sorry, i had to vent.
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If I'm on a task force / strike force I will stay until it's either a win or lose by the leader. (Plenty of red eye mornings from this)
On a PUG I will stay as long as the dynamics are good and no anchors mooching at the door. (Some exceptions is when I'm told ahead of time) I may run 1, 2, 3+ missions with the group but I will do that first one for sure. If work or the wife calls, I'll announce it and complete what I can and then leave as those two things have higher priority.
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What really pi$$es me off is when you build your team, It's perfect, you run one mission and half way through some random person says "SG calling, gotta go" and quits.
I hate that line, "SG calling, gotta go", I mean is there only two people in these SG's? fair enough for raids etc but who can't wait to finish one mission?
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I totally undest....SG CALLING GOTTA GO!
There have been a couple of people in this post talking as if they would be very rude on teams and not care about it at all, saying basically that it is their choice. I have to say that when I run into people like that I will usually treat them the same way they are treating me. There is nothing in the world that makes them angrier. They get furious when you treat them as bad as they are treating others. I find this to be absolutely hilarious, and it shuts them right up when they recieve the same crap they dispense. It puts an end to the idiot acting like an @#$% every time. So to those individuals I say this, the price you pay for being a creep is that others may well give you a world of crap. So enjoy your crap.
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I was playing nice earlier. Here's the deal. I don't like teaming. So when I do it is for a specific reason. If I feel the team will not help me accomplish whatever goal I'm going for, then I will quit. I won't give notice or anything. I'll just quit the team. I personally don't care if it is a PuG radio team or a task force. If I don't think the team directly benefits me in the way I want, then I'll just leave.
Do you know why I will do it that way?
Simple, because I see teams as nothing more than fillers to use as I see fit. When they are no longer useful, I leave. That simple. If the leader has a problem and demands an answer, I'll let him/her know. But I won't be nice about it. I will be extremely blunt and critical.
But Munki, why be so mean? Simple, because I play this game so I can have fun. As long as I'm not breaking any rules, I don't give a crap about anybody else. If somebody's day is worse off because they ran across me, I don't care. I see all of yall as nothing more than fillers on the way to accomplish my goals.
edit: The people that feel they deserve some sort of explanation are self obsessed losers. That simple.
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You display some remarkably sociopathic viewpoints. And I'm not being trite.
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Most of the time, "SG Calling" is a sign of a player who does not like the team they're on and doesn't want to say so.
In other words, it's usually BS.
I happen to agree with you. I'd rather someone say "You all suck, I'm out" than "SG is calling"
Sure, it's less polite, but at least it's honest.
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Shhh. My common sense is tingling. ~ Deadpool
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City of Heroes is a game. The purpose of a game is to have fun. If you are not having fun change what you are doing.
City of Heroes is about you. Be greedy. Think about yourself first. There is absolutely no one in the world, not the developers, not your best friend, not your siblings and not even your mom, who knows when you are having fun as much as you do. You are best suited to the task of making sure you have fun. You. You you you you you.
I feel absolutely no guilt nor shame when I leave a team with no warning. I honestly feel no anger, hostility nor resentment when someone leaves one of my teams without warning. Please leave my team if you are not having fun. I'm fairly disgusted when others feel otherwise.
I understand no one is perfect and you can't know everything before hand. I understand things will change. But do your best to communicate what you expect from teammates and what you intend to bring to teams. Eliminate as much "un-fun-itude" as possible before it occurs. Stop "un-fun-itude" as soon as possible.
(I should add that when I'm on a Task Force and not having fun I'll ask to leave. If I'm requested to stay because I am considered crucial to the team's success I will stay. Though, if I no longer am crucial I will leave. I have left TFs before they're fully complete after all the "hard parts" were defeated.)
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Smurphy, I've teamed with you before in RO/Freedom (at least 2 years ago), and I found you to be friendly, generous and good fun to team with :P I'd never have characterized like you did above.
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Yes, I like Force Fields.
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Most of the time, "SG Calling" is a sign of a player who does not like the team they're on and doesn't want to say so.
In other words, it's usually BS.
I happen to agree with you. I'd rather someone say "You all suck, I'm out" than "SG is calling"
Sure, it's less polite, but at least it's honest.
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I prefer something like that. Or "Sorry, not feeling this team." But a simple "Gotta Go" is sufficient. I just dont like trying to figure out if someone DC'd or quit.
I use the "baby is up" excuse a lot. Of course, it really is true, lol, but sometimes I get the feeling others think I'm BSing then, 'cause I know I've heard that one a lot in the past.
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Yes, I like Force Fields.
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I foresee a lonely old age for you. No kidding, not being sarcastic. This verges on pathological, and I hope for your sake you don't carry it over into real life. If you do, it IS pathological.
[/ QUOTE ] Armchair psychiatry is awesome! Do you think you can help me get into the University of Fullofcrap where you got your degree?
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I feel sorry for you, and that is the honest truth. But, being sorry for you does not mean we're going to have a war over your behavior; that behavior - and its consequences - belongs solely to you.
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Thank B_I.
I get almost as many laughs from your posts here as I do out of a 30 minute sitcom and I don't have to sit through the commercials!
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